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[razenWing]

Made them too good, like Invasion I and II, and people whine about it being p2w.

Make them too bad, and people b7tch about it about not worth the money,

There's no win for PGI, is there?

See PGI, this is why you should ALWAYS ignore those ******* that say you are p2w, cause at least the people will buy your mechs. Cause now, no one will buy the new heroes. If you are going to be b7tched at no matter what, just take the win then.

PS: Personal Message to Whiners: It's time to prove your dedication like you guys have ALWAYS claimed during the p2w fake scandal that you guys came up with. Go buy those crappy crappy IIC heroes. Show your support!

Edited by razenWing, 19 May 2017 - 06:56 PM.

[FupDup]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Made them too good, like Invasion I and II, and people whine about it being p2w.

Wow, it's almost as if hero Omnimechs are completely different in terms of balancing than hero Battlemechs! Who knew?

[Monkey Lover]

Pgi fixed the issue with the other hero mechs they saw the "p2balance" issue with. At the same time they were able to keep some special pods.

Anyone who said something about it was right. Just like now they're saying these are junk-ish are right.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 19 May 2017 - 07:04 PM.

[Battlemaster56]

Jenner IIC hero meh, Hunchback IIC middle ground since the Hunchback IIC is already good, Orion IIC hero goddamn PGI masc is not broken that you starve a mech like the Orion in hardpoints, Highlander no comment since I'm thinkin of spending $16 on a highlander pack.

[Fox the Apprentice]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

[...] Cause now, no one will buy the new heroes.[...]

My pre-order says otherwise.

[LT. HARDCASE]

Fox the Apprentice, on 19 May 2017 - 07:06 PM, said:

My pre-order says otherwise.

Well, I mean, there's no way you bought any of these mechs, because you expect them to perform well.

[Battlemaster56]

LT. HARDCASE, on 19 May 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

Well, I mean, there's no way you bought any of these mechs, because you expect them to perform well.

I only got two of them cuz the camo, plus I've got nothing else to spend on.....

[Fox the Apprentice]

LT. HARDCASE, on 19 May 2017 - 07:08 PM, said:

Well, I mean, there's no way you bought any of these mechs, because you expect them to perform well.

I enjoy running a kit fox, and enjoyed it before the AMS earned you points

Now if I could get my dang snow fox...

[razenWing]

One of these days, I am going to stop being lazy and start cross examining all the names from past threads to compare to current ones.

I will call it... "To Catch a Hypocrite"

But alas, I am inherently lazy...

FupDup, on 19 May 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

Wow, it's almost as if hero Omnimechs are completely different in terms of balancing than hero Battlemechs! Who knew?

That's the dumbest thing ever said for as much likes as you got. A bad mech is a bad mech, who cares if it's omni? No on complains that the IS heroes were trash mechs. I guess they are Omnis too?

But alas, I am not here to debate you whether 4 srm + ecm SHC or 5 srm SHC is op or not. My point is, people whine about mechs are too good. People whine about mechs being too poor. Had PGI gave the IICs god like hardpoints, guess who will then complain?

SO IT DOESN'T F-ING MATTER IF OMNI BALANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN BATTLEMECHS.

(and you know what, i can skip everyone else, but I am so going to look you up... give me 20 min)

Edited by razenWing, 19 May 2017 - 07:41 PM.

[Logan812]

I know this may seem random, but I get the feeling you're one of the people who actually paid $500 for a gold Timber Wolf. Please tell me I'm wrong though.

Edited by Logan812, 19 May 2017 - 08:08 PM.

[FupDup]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

That's the dumbest thing ever said for as much likes as you got. A bad mech is a bad mech, who cares if it's omni? No on complains that the IS heroes were trash mechs. I guess they are Omnis too?

But alas, I am not here to debate you whether 4 srm + ecm SHC or 5 srm SHC is op or not. My point is, people whine about mechs are too good. People whine about mechs being too poor. Had PGI gave the IICs god like hardpoints, guess who will then complain?

SO IT DOESN'T F-ING MATTER IF OMNI BALANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN BATTLEMECHS.

(and you know what, i can skip everyone else, but I am so going to look you up... give me 20 min)

Allow me to explain.

With a Battlemech, the set of hardpoints you get is permanent. This means that you're going to have some inherent strengths...and some inherent weaknesses. You have to deal with both the GOOD and the BAD aspects of your variant when you're a Battlemech.

When you're an Omnimech, you can swap around your hardpoints as you wish. Thus, if your variant has a bad hardpoint layout, you can fix this and give yourself a good layout instead. With heroes in particular, this means that having a few bad pods on the hero is not a disadvantage since you can remove them if you want to. If even one hero pod is stronger than C-Bill pods, you can just combine this premium hero pod with other C-Bill pods to create a more powerful mech than somebody who only has C-Bill pods.

In other words, hero Omnimechs have no hardpoint-based weaknesses compared to C-Bill variants of the same chassis. Hero Omnis can only gain compared to corresponding C-Bill Omnis.

It's not the same thing at all.


PS: When you look up my posting history you're going to find me basically re-explaining what I said in this post. Save yourself some time.

Edited by FupDup, 19 May 2017 - 08:18 PM.

[The6thMessenger]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Made them too good, like Invasion I and II, and people whine about it being p2w.

Make them too bad, and people b7tch about it about not worth the money,

There's no win for PGI, is there?

Why do we have to resort with extremes. Can we ever just have heroes, that are just right?

[Kanil]

The6thMessenger, on 19 May 2017 - 08:13 PM, said:

Why do we have to resort with extremes. Can we ever just have heroes, that are just right?

Sidegrades! What a novel concept!

[DoctorDetroit]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 07:36 PM, said:

One of these days, I am going to stop being lazy and start cross examining all the names from past threads to compare to current ones.

I will call it... "To Catch a Hypocrite"

But alas, I am inherently lazy...



That's the dumbest thing ever said for as much likes as you got. A bad mech is a bad mech, who cares if it's omni? No on complains that the IS heroes were trash mechs. I guess they are Omnis too?

But alas, I am not here to debate you whether 4 srm + ecm SHC or 5 srm SHC is op or not. My point is, people whine about mechs are too good. People whine about mechs being too poor. Had PGI gave the IICs god like hardpoints, guess who will then complain?

SO IT DOESN'T F-ING MATTER IF OMNI BALANCE IS DIFFERENT THAN BATTLEMECHS.

(and you know what, i can skip everyone else, but I am so going to look you up... give me 20 min)

Razen you crazy go to bed.

[El Bandito]

FupDup, on 19 May 2017 - 06:57 PM, said:

Wow, it's almost as if hero Omnimechs are completely different in terms of balancing than hero Battlemechs! Who knew?

This is correct.

DoctorDetroit, on 19 May 2017 - 08:18 PM, said:

Razen you crazy go to bed.

This correct as well. You need a time out, Razen.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 May 2017 - 08:24 PM.

[Gentleman Reaper]

I'm sure PGI will change the layouts if enough people voice their concerns, they were actually pretty receptive to feedback with the last two hero packs.

[sycocys]

Other than the Jenner, they just appear to be the standard fare hero mechs to me after I look them over.

Doubt the Jenner will amount to much, but 3 machine guns is still somewhat fun. Past that you get a c-bill bonus and a mech that has a somewhat different play concept than the c-bill counterparts. Pretty much the same in all the heroes after the Yen-Lo.

No they won't be uber meta, but the heroes shouldn't be anyhow they should just be mechs designed for the role the fictitious pilot that ran them had them set up to do. As long as they fall somewhere the middle of the mech battle value scale they are where they need to be.

Who knows, maybe someone at PGI actually considered some sort of balance when creating a mech for a change? Crazy, but possible.

[razenWing]

Hey, I am just saying. I ain't the one starting the complaint threads.

Don't shoot the messenger. I am just making fun of the people making these threads, whether you are pro or anti-fake p2w controversy. Cause, I find you guys equally ridiculous.

Edited by razenWing, 19 May 2017 - 08:53 PM.

[Felicitatem Parco]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 06:54 PM, said:

Made them too good, like Invasion I and II, and people whine about it being p2w.

Make them too bad, and people b7tch about it about not worth the money,

There's no win for PGI, is there?

See PGI, this is why you should ALWAYS ignore those ******* that say you are p2w, cause at least the people will buy your mechs. Cause now, no one will buy the new heroes. If you are going to be b7tched at no matter what, just take the win then.

PS: Personal Message to Whiners: It's time to prove your dedication like you guys have ALWAYS claimed during the p2w fake scandal that you guys came up with. Go buy those crappy crappy IIC heroes. Show your support!

I am whining a lot about these mechs. I even made a thread about it, and invited people to talk about how these Battlemechs can be improved without being considered P2W in context to the Omnipod P2W Mechs that were confirmed as better-for-cash options that could not be equaled by Free options..

I also bought the Jenner already.

[El Bandito]

razenWing, on 19 May 2017 - 08:53 PM, said:

Hey, I am just saying. I ain't the one starting the complaint threads.

Don't shoot the messenger. I am just making fun of the people making these threads, whether you are pro or anti-fake p2w controversy. Cause, I find you guys equally ridiculous.

You are using misguided argument, and then get upset when others correct you. I mean, you are as rabid as Gyrok when it comes to arguing, but I thought you at least had a brain, compared to him...

Bottom line is, yes, Hero mechs should be attractive enough to buy, but not to become blatant powercreep among its variants. However, omnimech and battlemechs are fundamentally different enough, so that the argument about Hero mechs should not lump them together, without taking those variables into consideration.

Edited by El Bandito, 19 May 2017 - 09:07 PM.