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[Felicitatem Parco]

How does the Timberwolf compare to the Orion now?

Has the mean, bad engine desync made the Timberwolf inferior to its 75-ton Inner Sphere contemporary, the Orion?

[Pixel Hunter]

Prosperity Park, on 20 May 2017 - 08:03 PM, said:

How does the Timberwolf compare to the Orion now?

Has the mean, bad engine desync made the Timberwolf inferior to its 75-ton Inner Sphere contemporary, the Orion?

smaller weapons, tonnage advantage...better clan tech. i'm sure it's just fine

[Mister Blastman]

Hell no.

[Deathlike]

Timberwolf is still overall stronger than the Onion. The only thing the Onion brings to the table is that it is a stronger brawler.

[fat4eyes]

Not even close. The TBR-S has a bigger alpha, faster torso twist, higher top speed AND runs cooler than the Orion. The only thing the Orion has going for it are large armor quirks, which are worth about half of the TBRs alpha even at full defense spec.

[Aggravated Assault Mech]

Are we talking about the Orion or the Orion IIC?

[Davegt27]

My Orion sucks so bad I just removed all equipment from it a few ago

its kind of my way of rage quitting lol

[Deathlike]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 20 May 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

Are we talking about the Orion or the Orion IIC?

Orion IIC is stronger by virtue of Clan XL vs STD engine.

Unless you value the AC20 more than whatever equivalent Clan Dakka you wish to use, the Clan version is still better. The gap is smaller with the LFE, but tonnage-wise still favors the IIC.

[DAYLEET]

Davegt27, on 20 May 2017 - 08:33 PM, said:

My Orion sucks so bad I just removed all equipment from it a few ago

its kind of my way of rage quitting lol

My V was doing pretty good earlier today. 2lb10x 2LL with a 27% cooldown on the lb10 and full armor buff. Can be fearsome, its a pusher not a poker.

[LORD ORION]

TBR is sluggish now, so you need to focus on brakes/accel, perhaps at the expense of speed tweak.
But it still has the A torso, jets, high top speed and the mounts for a high alpha.

Configuring the mobility on the TBR is alot harder then the comparable Ebon Jag.

I also played with my Protector today.
All the Orions now have godlike armor... it literally has the armor of a 100 tonner if you go all in on the armor nodes.
It is still a pretty crap mech. Low mounts, limited mounts, no weapon focus, too hot and slow. You'll still die badly to focus fire, which is exactly where you'll be putting yourself if you intend to use your weapons.

Maybe it will be better with civil war weapons...

[Felicitatem Parco]

Guys, I am talking about these threads:

Joshua Obrien, on 20 May 2017 - 07:16 PM, said:

I can understand the theory behind why it is (engine desync) But my god even with a maxed agility tree it still feels clunky as hell.

I thought the engine desync was a great idea on paper but garbage in practice. Seems I was right.

ingramli, on 18 May 2017 - 03:44 AM, said:

With the desync of engine, it now twist its torso like an 75` old man, and left with a oversize engine which take away the available tonnage, i guess it is time to switch to something else, perhaps a night gyr?

We have threads out about how the Timberwolf is decimated by the recent changes.

I am asking: "Is it as bad as the Inner Sphere counterpart, better, or worse?"

I ask because if it is significantly better than the Orion, then you are complaining about the wrong Mech. Complain about how under powered Mechs need buffs; don't complain that your previously-powerful Mech is still more powerful than its contemporaries but not "more powerful" enough.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 20 May 2017 - 09:22 PM.

[Aggravated Assault Mech]

Deathlike, on 20 May 2017 - 08:36 PM, said:

Orion IIC is stronger by virtue of Clan XL vs STD engine.

Unless you value the AC20 more than whatever equivalent Clan Dakka you wish to use, the Clan version is still better. The gap is smaller with the LFE, but tonnage-wise still favors the IIC.

Yeah, I get that.

I guess I'm wondering if the IIC is better than the TBR.

[Snowbluff]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 20 May 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

Yeah, I get that.

I guess I'm wondering if the IIC is better than the TBR.

IMO Orion IIC is better. TBR "good hit boxes" really aren't, the accel and twisting is terrible now.

The Orion IIC can have 100 tonner levels of armor. It's really not a content.

[Deathlike]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 20 May 2017 - 09:36 PM, said:

Yeah, I get that.

I guess I'm wondering if the IIC is better than the TBR.

I still think this is the case for brawling. Totally unsure otherwise (I'm sure other people are running said tests as we speak).

Consider that the Orion-IIC (and the Orion) have structure armor quirks and aren't locked by engine (375XL is a tonnage eater), you have more tonnage for the kind of close range firepower necessary that a Timberwolf cannot match.

Edited by Deathlike, 20 May 2017 - 09:59 PM.

[Athom83]

DAYLEET, on 20 May 2017 - 08:58 PM, said:

My V was doing pretty good earlier today. 2lb10x 2LL with a 27% cooldown on the lb10 and full armor buff. Can be fearsome, its a pusher not a poker.

You're using the V as something other than a 2 UAC + SRM build?

Edited by Athom83, 20 May 2017 - 09:59 PM.

[DAYLEET]

Athom83, on 20 May 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

You're using the V as something other than a 2 UAC + SRM build?

Yes the ballistic cooldown and energy cooldown works great for dual lb10x and dual LL with tree buff. IS UAC sucks, you cant spam it like the cuac.

[Athom83]

DAYLEET, on 20 May 2017 - 10:06 PM, said:

Yes the ballistic cooldown and energy cooldown works great for dual lb10x and dual LL with tree buff. IS UAC sucks, you cant spam it like the cuac.

On the V you can. -30% jam chance is quite nice. But to each his own.

[Bishop Steiner]

Aggravated Assault Mech, on 20 May 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

Are we talking about the Orion or the Orion IIC?

Why would the IIC matter? We are looking at IS vs Clan balance.

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

Orion brawls better, Timber Wolf skirmishes/pokes better. Orion will suffer low mounts until the end of time it seems.

[El Bandito]

IS Orion is still the worst 75 ton mech of MWO.