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[Valdarion Silarius]

Bumping the thread with a few pics of Rifleman IIC fan art / creations from others. Enjoy!

From Max O' Connor:










From x1xReaverx1x:



From Raysss (Thanks for the blueprints of the paper model sitting on my desk atm):







From F4J:

[Will9761]

Bump

[Valdarion Silarius]

I felt that this was a necessary bump with all of the recent unseen shenanigans. In case you are unaware of the recent unfolding lawsuit that Harmony Gold is trying to push onto HBS and PGI, head onto over here:

https://mwomercs.com...-v-weisman-pgi/

And for a decent idea to help PGI in this situation check out this suggestion here:

https://mwomercs.com...kpit-items-now/

Now in case if you aren't aware, most of the IIC mechs are thrown under the category of "unseen" since it was Victor Musical Industries (A Japanese company that produces music, movies and video games) that produced overseas content for Battletech exclusively. The artwork was produced for the Mechwarrior 1 X68000 port, to appeal to Mechwarrior/Battletech fans in Japan that wanted a more anime approach to the mechs in game. FASA took the art from the back cover and made these mechs into entirely new mechs exclusively for Battletech.

As time went on and a decade already passed, Harmony Gold caught on and harassed FASA for their inspiration of the Macross franchise. After settling to a legal agreement, FASA decided to play it safe and make the original Clan IIC line up "unseen" to avoid any legal ramifications from Harmony Gold. Let's be perfectly clear that Harmony Gold DOES NOT own any rights of the original artwork from Victor Musical Industries. That means any and all of the original IIC artwork from VMI was made uniquely for Battletech only.

So spread the word out there and re-tweet/like this if possible. Even if you are not a fan of the clan IIC's or other unseen mechs like the Stone Rhino, show your support for PGI and tell them that you support the future release of "unseens". Let's put an end to Harmony Gold's BS and make sure they can't harass future Mechwarrior/Battletech titles any longer.



For more information for Victor Musical Industries and the list of the "unseen" mechs head onto over here:

http://www.sarna.net...ndustries,_Inc.

http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Unseen

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 24 July 2017 - 12:45 PM.

[Odanan]

Arnold The Governator, on 22 June 2017 - 12:07 PM, said:

No thanks, I would rather have the Rifleman IIC over the Kingfisher.

While I think the Kingfisher would not be OP in any way, it could fill a role in this game with resistance buffs. It can't bring a lot of weapons (except lasers), but it would do a good bullet-sponge and would actually zombie well (1 energy hardpoint in the head, 2 in the CT). That said, I guess the Kingfisher is not in the top of the list for next assault mechs, with Blood Asp, Warhammer IIC and Stone Rhino (or Bane) first.

The Rifleman IIC is different from what we have for the Clan heavies, excelling in the sniper role. Those super high mounts and very good. It would be the Clan JagerMech and a great choice for FP. I hope it gets serious range quirks to match.

[Gas Guzzler]

Do we think PGI will release more unseens with the legal battle in progress? Not saying i want them not to, just asking.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 July 2017 - 08:47 AM, said:

Do we think PGI will release more unseens with the legal battle in progress? Not saying i want them not to, just asking.

I think they will. From a revenue perspective it wouldn't make sense for them to just abruptly stop at the Marauder IIC, when the Rifleman IIC and the Warhammer IIC are nostalgic cash cows for most of the players here. The Rifleman IIC looks nothing like the Destroid Defender from the Macross series. If PGI were to release the classic unseen version of it (going with the style of Rick Harris's Artwork from Tukayyid); it might serve as more ammo for their very own lawyers if HG were dumb enough to compare the two mechs.

The Warhammer IIC on the other hand might be a little bit harder to bypass, but if PGI goes with it's tankish classic unseen look over the reseen art, I think the Warhammer IIC will be safe. I think the Marauder IIC reseen was safe since it looks completely different to the glaug battle pod, and comparing the two would be in the same vein as crying copyright infringement over "similar" gun barrel designs of two completely different rifles vs something as stupid as stealing mech artwork (that HG doesn't own legally) and making a profit over it. Remember, Harmony Gold does not own the rights to Victor Musical Industries, so anything that PGI does with inspiration from the classic unseen artwork should be in the clear for them.

[Grus]

Considering what's going on with Harmony Gold I don't think this will get in.

[Gas Guzzler]

Arnold The Governator, on 31 July 2017 - 09:06 AM, said:

The Warhammer IIC

Honestly the Phoenix Hawk IIC would be SO much better. The only viable Warhammer IIC build would be laser vomit. There are some variants with a few missile hardpoints, but talking about actually being viable, all it can do is laser vomit. Later variants with ballistics have HAGs, so PGI could potentially make the 5th variant their own variant with a ballistic in each arm, but that won't quite do it.

The Phoenix Hawk IIC on the other hand, has 3 golden variants... one with all the lasers, one with all the ballistics, and one with all the missiles. They could make up some other variants with some different hardpoint configs, but those 3 right there would be the perfect 80 tonner, coming with a high engine cap as well.

Sorry, neither here nor there, but if they give us the Warhammer IIC over the Pixie, I would be extremely disappointed.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Grus, on 31 July 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

Considering what's going on with Harmony Gold I don't think this will get in.

Quite the contrary. The Rifleman IIC has too many visual difference to cry copyright infringement. Here are a few examples:





And the Rifleman IIC (both unseen and reseen):







What is Harmony Gold going to cry about in those images, that the gun barrels are too similar? This sh*t gives me a headache after awhile since it gets to the point of absurdity. Again, I think the RFL-IIC is safe since it visually looks nothing like the Destroid Defender. I guess HG is going to sue everyone that make bi-ped mechs as well. Oh wait, they did with Hasbro. And guess what? They lost badly in that lawsuit. Microsoft, the japanese companies that cant sell Macross content, HBS and PGI all need to collaborate on this so I can finally stop hearing about this bullsh*t.

PGI needs to win this, and I really hope they don't settle on another agreement. Make these HG cockroaches go away forever please.

[Battlemaster56]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 July 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

Honestly the Phoenix Hawk IIC would be SO much better. The only viable Warhammer IIC build would be laser vomit. There are some variants with a few missile hardpoints, but talking about actually being viable, all it can do is laser vomit. Later variants with ballistics have HAGs, so PGI could potentially make the 5th variant their own variant with a ballistic in each arm, but that won't quite do it.

The Phoenix Hawk IIC on the other hand, has 3 golden variants... one with all the lasers, one with all the ballistics, and one with all the missiles. They could make up some other variants with some different hardpoint configs, but those 3 right there would be the perfect 80 tonner, coming with a high engine cap as well.

Sorry, neither here nor there, but if they give us the Warhammer IIC over the Pixie, I would be extremely disappointed.

While I understand most people nogstaglia for the Whammy it's seems like alot have large attachment such a mech, I go for the Phawk IIC just for diversity sake.

And it have 5 variants with current tech it can use. And personally it's the most appealing of the IIC mechs design wise.




I mean come on look at those wing/JJ's.


Back on topic, I really do want them to release the Rifleman IIC soon because it be a nice sniper mech in the 65 ton department and it have enough unique variants within it. Also OP are you still looking for a Hero mech loudout for the RFL IIC?

[Metus regem]

Battlemaster56, on 31 July 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

While I understand most people nogstaglia for the Whammy it's seems like alot have large attachment such a mech, I go for the Phawk IIC just for diversity sake.

And it have 5 variants with current tech it can use. And personally it's the most appealing of the IIC mechs design wise.




I mean come on look at those wing/JJ's.


Back on topic, I really do want them to release the Rifleman IIC soon because it be a nice sniper mech in the 65 ton department and it have enough unique variants within it. Also OP are you still looking for a Hero mech loudout for the RFL IIC?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again... I'd love the Warhammer IIC, but I know that the Pixi IIC would be the better unit to add first.... Either way I'd c-bill at least one of each.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Battlemaster56, on 31 July 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

While I understand most people nogstaglia for the Whammy it's seems like alot have large attachment such a mech, I go for the Phawk IIC just for diversity sake.

And it have 5 variants with current tech it can use. And personally it's the most appealing of the IIC mechs design wise.




I mean come on look at those wing/JJ's.


Back on topic, I really do want them to release the Rifleman IIC soon because it be a nice sniper mech in the 65 ton department and it have enough unique variants within it. Also OP are you still looking for a Hero mech loudout for the RFL IIC?

Sure. If you wanted to present one here go ahead. I was thinking that PGI should stick the core concept of the RFL-IIC 8, but with more of a civil war era theme in mind.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Gas Guzzler, on 31 July 2017 - 09:16 AM, said:

Honestly the Phoenix Hawk IIC would be SO much better. The only viable Warhammer IIC build would be laser vomit. There are some variants with a few missile hardpoints, but talking about actually being viable, all it can do is laser vomit. Later variants with ballistics have HAGs, so PGI could potentially make the 5th variant their own variant with a ballistic in each arm, but that won't quite do it.

The Phoenix Hawk IIC on the other hand, has 3 golden variants... one with all the lasers, one with all the ballistics, and one with all the missiles. They could make up some other variants with some different hardpoint configs, but those 3 right there would be the perfect 80 tonner, coming with a high engine cap as well.

Sorry, neither here nor there, but if they give us the Warhammer IIC over the Pixie, I would be extremely disappointed.

I'm pretty indifferent to both mechs honestly, so what comes first in the game is really up to debate for another thread.

What I think PGI should do is raise more awareness of this HG shenanigans to the unaware players. They really should release one last 4 unseen mechpack before reverting to the single mech a month type of deal. There should be also an optional $5 donation to the lawsuit case since whoever is the victor of the court, they are still going to take a pretty hefty financial hit. It would help if we got more info from PGI themselves about the whole ordeal, since we don't know how much money they have stashed up for this lawsuit.

[Metus regem]

Davegt27, on 31 July 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

looks like another robo tech robot

you guys trying to get PGI in even more trouble

Not so much, we want to see HG ground into dust.... They are trying to sue on something they do not own in the first place.

[Adridos]

Arnold The Governator, on 24 July 2017 - 12:33 PM, said:

The artwork was produced for the Mechwarrior 1 X68000 port, to appeal to Mechwarrior/Battletech fans in Japan that wanted a more anime approach to the mechs in game.

That doesn't make any sense. All mechs in Mechwarrior 1, aside from Jenner, are from anime.


IIRC, it was the fact all of them were recognizable anime designs that the studio making the port had to make their own redesigns. And since they redid everything else, visual consistency necessitated drawing their own Jenner as well.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Adridos, on 31 July 2017 - 12:59 PM, said:

That doesn't make any sense. All mechs in Mechwarrior 1, aside from Jenner, are from anime.


IIRC, it was the fact all of them were recognizable anime designs that the studio making the port had to make their own redesigns. And since they redid everything else, visual consistency necessitated drawing their own Jenner as well.

It was from here:

http://www.sarna.net...ndustries,_Inc.

"In both instances rather than use preexisting Battletech art or models produced by FASA, Victor commissioned new anime style art for use both in-game and in packaging and manuals."

Edited by Arnold The Governator, 31 July 2017 - 01:16 PM.

[Adridos]

Arnold The Governator, on 31 July 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

It was from here:

http://www.sarna.net...ndustries,_Inc.

Eh, it's not really referenced so I assume it's mostly speculation on the writer's part. Especially given how it points out "anime style art" which is ??? The game they were remaking was using designs from anime. They themselves were a video game company and the redesigns were done by video game artists, so people who never had anything to do with anime.

In the end, Sarna is still but a fandom wiki.

[Will9761]

Would it be offensive to request these themes for Rifleman IIC warhorns? Because this is what I see everytime I see the mech's asian hat..err..sombrero.. I mean radar dish.

Oriental Riff:


Mexican Theme:

Edited by Will9761, 02 September 2017 - 01:30 PM.

[jss78]

I don't see a reason why the legal issues should affect the Rifleman IIC.

Again the name "Rifleman" is not a problem. We're talking about visual designs and who owns what. The Rifleman IIC visual design -- even the original, let alone after PGI's hypothetical changes -- looks nothing like the Destroid Defender. It's no closer to it than a Jagermech. And besides, while the original Rifleman IIC image is Japanese in origin it's not one claimed by HG.

I don't think the Rifleman IIC is a bigger problem then any other 'mech PGI might introduce, as far as HG is concerned.

[Valdarion Silarius]

Will9761, on 02 September 2017 - 01:28 PM, said:

Would it be offensive to request these themes for Rifleman IIC warhorns? Because this is what I see everytime I see the mech's asian hat..err..sombrero.. I mean radar dish.

Oriental Riff:


Mexican Theme:

It needs to be more offensive. I would like the war horns for it to be a spin off of Rammstein's "Te Quiero ****". Like the epic metal rift that starts at 0:29 seconds as a war horn would be the single most greatest thing that PGI ever did for this game.

jss78, on 02 September 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

I don't see a reason why the legal issues should affect the Rifleman IIC.

Again the name "Rifleman" is not a problem. We're talking about visual designs and who owns what. The Rifleman IIC visual design -- even the original, let alone after PGI's hypothetical changes -- looks nothing like the Destroid Defender. It's no closer to it than a Jagermech. And besides, while the original Rifleman IIC image is Japanese in origin it's not one claimed by HG.

I don't think the Rifleman IIC is a bigger problem then any other 'mech PGI might introduce, as far as HG is concerned.

I'm glad that someone else agrees for once. It was FASA that threw the Rifleman IIC into the unseen category, due to being a japanese import from Victor Musical Industries. Someone should tweet this to Russ and make him very well aware of this.

If best case scenario we get the Rifleman IIC before September 2018, it would be good ammo for PGI if Harmony Gold was stupid enough to compare it to the Destroid Defender in court. It doesn't take a judge or anyone's visual interpretation to know that the two look nothing alike.