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[Inferna Canis]

What ISP's could do in a world with no Net Neutrality (and probably already do when they can get away with it):

•Slow video streaming sites, causing your videos start and stop unexpectedly.

•Add new fees to your Internet bill. Imagine paying extra for YouTube!


•Censor videos or content they don’t agree with, like political blogs (imagine if anything negative relating to Verizon got blocked through a Verizon connection, or they blocked videos explaining how to bypass throttling etc).

•Throttle any new sites or apps they don’t own or invest in.

•Make your connection painfully slow, and charge you more to make it work again.

•Force streaming sites like Spotify into a slow lane, causing them to buffer constantly.

•Slow online gaming. Games would lag and glitch without paying more to your ISP.

•Charge big sites special “prioritization fees” and slow down everyone else.

•Take you out of the driver’s seat, and control what you see and hear online.

•Make the Internet look a lot more like cable TV.



https://youtu.be/K88BU3kjZ-c

Edited by Inferna Canis, 12 July 2017 - 09:43 AM.

[Davegt27]

thanks for the info

[4EVR]

Remind me again who appointed Chairman Pai?

I keenly await all the innovations that Comcast will be able to create now that the last vestiges of net neutrality and privacy protections are being demolished. GG and Well Voted.

[Sleepyboy14]

Here, watch https://www.youtube....?v=jwxu8jFfurM.

[Will9761]

Well, I did my part to participate.

[Davegt27]

good video about net neutrality

[Alreech]

Inferna Canis, on 12 July 2017 - 09:37 AM, said:

What ISP's could do in a world with no Net Neutrality (and probably already do when they can get away with it):

•Slow video streaming sites, causing your videos start and stop unexpectedly.•Add new fees to your Internet bill. Imagine paying extra for YouTube!

Google earns a lot with Youtube, they will pay for avoiding this.

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•Censor videos or content they don’t agree with, like political blogs (imagine if anything negative relating to Verizon got blocked through a Verizon connection, or they blocked videos explaining how to bypass throttling etc).

Don't worry, your goverment will censor or block political blogs. Most internet providers don't care about politics if they can make money.

Facebook make even money with Hatespeech, so the German Parliament decided to make a law that force them to take down any content that is flagged as Hatespeech by users or face a 50 million €uro few.

[B0oN]

Thanks for the information, sairr, BUT(t) :
Hey hey, that´s how capitalism works, so net neutrality always was only a lip service to me .

Wake up finally and see every governement, big institutions and organisations for what they are : places to milk everyone and keep them in check with fear and unnecessary need .

Edited by The Shortbus, 16 July 2017 - 08:23 PM.

[Lily from animove]

what net neutrality? when the net reaches it limits a true net neutrality can't be done anymore. It would logically just be right and correct if poeple causing more traffic have to pay for that.

so the entire hood watches youtube an you want to upload just a small excel, now you gotta have to wait serveral minutes because they stream the s*** out of the line. The real question is fairness. Ther eis also a lakc of ressource responsibility. why does rewatching the same YT video have to stream that again? thats quite some BS irrsponsible bandwith usage.

Also it isn't exactly new at all to change that. Take nicovideo, the kidna japanese Youtibe, if theres too much going on you get less speed and you cna pay for premium to get full speed. And if you replay a video it does NOT stream the entire vidoe again.

So ask yourself, is it FAIR? that sites like YT can just impact other users connection just because they can use the bandwith the watching user consumes and even cause others to get slower internet?

thats basically like building a 3 lane wide car and blocking the entire highway just because you can. So in the end someone HAS to pay for wanting to consume that much ressources. And this is then either YT or the user by kind abuying premium on youtube.

If people act irresponsible with free ressourcesthen someoen needs to step up and manage that.

[Davegt27]

doing away with net neutrality would be a big big mistake

the underhanded things they do are already going on

when I go back to TX I turn on my tablet and I pay good money for 4G but do I get 4G nope
T-Mobile got fined $8 or $9 mil for this carp last year, they where throttling people that had paid for premium service

earlier this year people reported in the Dallas area not being able to dial 911 because of there phone service

they want to be able to identify people and places they want and either exclude or limit there service just based on if they like
or dislike them

your home electricity is a utility if you run all your lights 24/7 you pay more
these companies want to be able block you from seeing net flix
why because they own a competing service

at least watch the youtube video

these companies have been slowly chipping away at what makes the US a place people want to move to
all for filthy lucre's sake

[Lily from animove]

Davegt27, on 18 July 2017 - 07:39 PM, said:

doing away with net neutrality would be a big big mistake

the underhanded things they do are already going on

when I go back to TX I turn on my tablet and I pay good money for 4G but do I get 4G nope
T-Mobile got fined $8 or $9 mil for this carp last year, they where throttling people that had paid for premium service

earlier this year people reported in the Dallas area not being able to dial 911 because of there phone service

they want to be able to identify people and places they want and either exclude or limit there service just based on if they like
or dislike them

your home electricity is a utility if you run all your lights 24/7 you pay more
these companies want to be able block you from seeing net flix
why because they own a competing service

at least watch the youtube video

these companies have been slowly chipping away at what makes the US a place people want to move to
all for filthy lucre's sake

do you have evidence about that? because I doubt that this is makign sense. yor power company just sells per MW they couldn't care less about your waste, the more you atse,the more they earn, there is no flatrate about that. If there would be, thing would be entirely diffrent. Further if the powerlines would be over capacity you could bet you wouldn't be able to consume as much power as you would like all day.

The biggets mistake wiht the internet that happened from a company side of view was makign flatrates. It worked well when bandwith was sufficient and customer numbers low enough to not stress the ressouces. so they thought, "hey why not making flatrates" Now that fires bakc when everyone wants to flatrate internet (and there is a reason why your mobiles don't have flatrate services for internet and are bound to specific volumes). The issue is they can'T reverse that because the one doing that first is the one losing all customers. But as much as your highway is free is theres a traffic jam you can't really proceed there. DUnno why people never get that understanding with the internet as well. bandwith is a limited ressource as well, you can't use it to your pleasure if it is overused and to prevent overusage you need to regulate people otherwise they waste that ressource.

[Aim64C]

Net Neutrality effectively turns the Internet into a utility. Kind of like your landline phone and cable television - both of which have been epically destroyed by the internet without any 'neutrality' laws.

The issue of throttling is extremely important. Video streams are less important than corporate VPNs. The large businesses in your community pay for premium access to the internet to enable remote updates to their computers, banking transactions, etc. You get blocky boobs in your porn or an interruption of your rhythm because the world is bigger than your ****, oddly enough.

Realistically, this rarely happens because the various network carriers work with various service users/contractors to schedule network traffic using adjusted rates. Higher demand times come at a higher cost for the corporate world and gives corporations an incentive to schedule network heavy operations during off hours. All of the major entertainment and data providing networks negotiate service contracts with local and regional carriers to minimize the risk of their services being throttled due to end-user consumption. They will either pay in the contracts the equivalent of a 'tool up' fee (what would be used in a factory to purchase the hardware needed to make parts for a product) or simply pay higher rates to subsidize the development of greater network capacity.

As for the issue of wireless services - that is one of the most crowded areas of the internet, today.

The shifting off of 3G and 4G networks is often due to overcrowding of the cell network. The number of cellular connections within a given area is hard-limited by physics. Current technology only allows for half-duplex on any given channel and there are only just now some solutions that allow for true full-duplex in the bands that cell networks operate at. The throttling down to lower tiers of service is done by local tower operators who are contracted by the various major carriers for the use of their tower(s).

In other words - I can build a cell tower and then enter into a contract with several major carriers to allow their phones access to that tower. Obviously - if I'm in the middle of nowhere with no one other than myself to use it... not going to happen. If I'm near a recently developed area in a growing city... it's the digital equivalent of farming. Walmart doesn't own farms and grow the food in the produce section - they buy it from others and then sell it to people who are Walmart customers. Same with phone networks.

[Lily from animove]

aaaand this https://phonemantra....-event-disaster

the traffic jam within the cell phone cell yay net neutrality when we think that pokemon go due to neutrality could cause people not to call emergency then we probably udnerstand why some neutralities aren't important. Bandwith is a limited ressource and it isn't free. Thats all there is to know.

Edited by Lily from animove, 07 August 2017 - 11:52 PM.

[Davegt27]

and this

911

https://gizmodo.com/...r-in-1793332222

FCC fine

https://www.theverge...count-free-data

Edited by Davegt27, 07 August 2017 - 10:32 AM.

[Exilyth]

This topic is important.

Net neutrality is the online equivalent of freedom - don't let evil faceless corporations take it away.

[Lily from animove]

Exilyth, on 13 August 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

This topic is important.

Net neutrality is the online equivalent of freedom - don't let evil faceless corporations take it away.

unless the net gets paid and maintained by gouvernment there is no such thing as "online freedome" it is in property of a private company and that company has to pay mmaintenance for it. The infrastructure isn't free, higher bandwith demands need better networks, better networks cost money. Net neutrality is a unfeasable vision. there NEEDS to be a certain "neutrality imit" within all packets are treated equally but past a certain point where high consumption takes place there needs to be a service level and criticality rating.

[Davegt27]

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The FCC's Mission. The Federal Communications Commission regulates interstate and international communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable in all 50 states, the District of Columbia and U.S. territories.

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What is the purpose of the FCC?




The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent government agency responsible for regulating the radio, television and phone industries. The FCC regulates all interstate communications, such as wire, satellite and cable, and international communications originating or terminating in the United States.

[Exilyth]

Talking about net neutrality, are there any good alternatives to youtube?

[Lily from animove]

Exilyth, on 27 August 2017 - 03:33 AM, said:

Talking about net neutrality, are there any good alternatives to youtube?

Not really, because the content isn't even neutral anymore, people google stuff and google isn't even neutral.