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[Black Fish]

Suppose you make the one we have now smaller, and add another one or two, not far from each other so it's basically the same area, but since there are 3 you can actually make more use of strategy to take points off the timer...
How do you think that'll work out on QP?

[JediPanther]

Fast lights that spawn closest would win it before 100 toners even get out of their spawn knowing how well pgi fixes things. Look at how many times they've already relocated dom point on alpine and it still sucks. You'd have to increase the time limit no doubt due to the added dom points.

Lets say they do as you suggest and add 3 extra dom points for a total of four. You start the match with a full alpha lance of one light and three mediums. The enemy starts alpha with a full alpha lance of four lights all of which decide on the load screen to split up and go to the dom points. how do you prevent them from winning within in a minute or two when your fastest light can only get to one dom point?

Dom as it now it's still too easy to just kill the enemy team and not care a whim if/when they blow up the two alpha and beta gens. 30 seconds added to the timer won't do much once most your team is dead. Often I've had to blow it up myself as a fast the light on frozen valley since the enemy light has the timer already down to 40 at 13:xx on the match timer with the closest ally mech trying to ridge snipe just outside the circle.

Only three things can improve dom mode. 1. Increase the timer so fast lights can't win it before most the team can walk off spawn. 2. Make the gens fully reset the timer and add 30 seconds to it. 3. Move dom so it doesn't heavily favor the side that gets the better spawn.

[Rovertoo]

How about a timed switch, say the point will, after a minute or so of fighting, suddenly swap to a different cluster of buildings randomly, forcing the teams to move quick before it starts to get capped again. I think that would still keep its "king of the hill" vibe while actually potentially being more than just skirmish. I believe this is how Halo's KOTH worked, had the hill constantly moving every few minutes.

Edited by Rovertoo, 12 August 2017 - 09:37 AM.

[Ruar]

Multiple points would lead to draws and punish slower moving mechs.

One central area is fine, they just need to make the points are located in an area with terrain and equidistance from both spawn points.

There should probably be a 2min countdown timer as well before the area goes active to prevent a slow team from being outcapped before they can get to the fight.

[Revis Volek]

I think it should just be a chance of 3-5 locations per map depending on the size of the map and stuff like that.


Same spot every time is boring, make it some kind of mobile, roving base that sets up in one of the predetermined locations the first minute and then starts to broadcasts the circle of dominatrix.

Edited by Revis Volek, 12 August 2017 - 11:22 AM.

[Mystere]

Black Fish, on 12 August 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

Suppose you make the one we have now smaller, and add another one or two, not far from each other so it's basically the same area, but since there are 3 you can actually make more use of strategy to take points off the timer...
How do you think that'll work out on QP?

Just change the game mode such that drop zones and the circle are dynamic instead of always being at the same locations.

Then get rid of "Skirmish". It really has no point anymore after such a change.

[evilauthor]

Domination with multiple capture points... isn't that Conquest?

[Andi Nagasia]

Ruar, on 12 August 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

Multiple points would lead to draws and punish slower moving mechs.

One central area is fine, they just need to make the points are located in an area with terrain and equidistance from both spawn points.

There should probably be a 2min countdown timer as well before the area goes active to prevent a slow team from being outcapped before they can get to the fight.

like Conquest punishes slower mechs, if Dom had 2 points it would do well to split up the team,
Teams could use this to their advantage 2-3 lights to lock down one point wail the team pushes to another,
often slow mechs get to the center of maps well enough, so it they are spread out slightly their shouldnt be a problem,

[Black Fish]

Ruar, on 12 August 2017 - 09:32 AM, said:

Multiple points would lead to draws and punish slower moving mechs.

One central area is fine, they just need to make the points are located in an area with terrain and equidistance from both spawn points.

There should probably be a 2min countdown timer as well before the area goes active to prevent a slow team from being outcapped before they can get to the fight.

I agree on the timer

evilauthor, on 12 August 2017 - 11:40 AM, said:

Domination with multiple capture points... isn't that Conquest?

The idea is to have multiple points close by, not so far apart, so the 'hill' is split

JediPanther, on 12 August 2017 - 09:22 AM, said:

Fast lights that spawn closest would win it before 100 toners even get out of their spawn knowing how well pgi fixes things. Look at how many times they've already relocated dom point on alpine and it still sucks. You'd have to increase the time limit no doubt due to the added dom points.

Lets say they do as you suggest and add 3 extra dom points for a total of four. You start the match with a full alpha lance of one light and three mediums. The enemy starts alpha with a full alpha lance of four lights all of which decide on the load screen to split up and go to the dom points. how do you prevent them from winning within in a minute or two when your fastest light can only get to one dom point?

Ok, so let's say there is a timer before you can start 'capping resources' and you can only cap at a certain speed, so if 1 team controls 2 areas while the other 1 both times goes down the same speed.

Or what if each of the areas had x points to cap, at 1 per second like now, but the match is decided by total amount of points capped at the end. So once an area is depleted it is no longer active and you can move to the next one - this would give an advantage to the team that split up and give lights a more prominent role (kind of how some conquest games goes where light and fast meds sweep cap points while engaging the enemy's lance).
This way you are forced to play the mode (like in conquest, which is the only mode people seems to like after deathmatch)
Yes this is starting to look like conquest, but hey that's about the only mode that actually offer something other than deathmatch, so why not take the principal and apply it in a different manner so that the mode is essentially very different...

EDIT - As a side note if we take Andi's example and add spawn points on E3 and C5 this would allow faster mechs to go to the further point and thus making the coordination of the team more intuitive

Edited by Black Fish, 12 August 2017 - 12:17 PM.

[evilauthor]

Black Fish, on 12 August 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

The idea is to have multiple points close by, not so far apart, so the 'hill' is split

If they're close by, doesn't that defeat the anti-Death Ball notion? The optimal tactic would become Death Ball to Point A then move on to Point B. Anyone trying to split up to get both A and B at once are going to be defeated in detail.

[Ruar]

I think terrain is a better option than splitting the points. Having some of those destructible walls and some buildings scattered over the area would help cut down on the death ball and spread the fight out.

[Mystere]

Andi Nagasia, on 12 August 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

like Conquest punishes slower mechs, if Dom had 2 points it would do well to split up the team,
Teams could use this to their advantage 2-3 lights to lock down one point wail the team pushes to another,
often slow mechs get to the center of maps well enough, so it they are spread out slightly their shouldnt be a problem,

As far as I am concerned, the best kind of "domination" mode is one in which bitter and desperate fighting happens at just one place, where you try to kick the enemy out and make sure they stay out.

[Calcite]

make the MM do it. ... its real

why one make it not like a base rush


heavye laser turrets

Edited by Dave warrior2, 12 August 2017 - 02:42 PM.

[Khobai]

why would adding more of what makes domination bad, make domination good? domination isnt bad because it doesnt have enough capture points. its bad because forcing mechs to stand inside circles and not be able to move around much isnt fun. Nobody wants their mech anchored to a relatively small part of the map. Thats super boring.

And we already have conquest which is far superior to domination anyway. Because conquest doesnt force you to stay at the cap points after youve capped them.

Edited by Khobai, 12 August 2017 - 02:52 PM.

[Calcite]

why a gold founder is alive


and jade falcon

Edited by Dave warrior2, 12 August 2017 - 02:46 PM.

[Lord0fHats]

Then it would be conquest.

[R Valentine]

Then it would be called conquest.

[Calcite]

some movement...

[Antonius Zalman]

Why not drop EVERYONE in the same spot and we all RACE for it! Weapons become hot only after 30 seconds!

[Johnny Z]

Interesting idea, definitely.