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#1 Jonathan8883

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:10 AM

https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA9UW5MB0896

Specs on the graphics card aren't straight up comparable, and threading/processor stuff is confusing. I stopped following all these details 10-15 years ago.

Does this at least meet the recommended specs, so that I can count on good graphics and frame rate with no issues?

#2 JediPanther

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:33 AM

That computer needs about $50 more into the cpu. You'll want a 3.5 gig minimal cpu. 8 gigs ram is fine. 1tb hard drive is way more than you need for mwo.Video cards that are integrated get around 30-50fps. I run an old gtx 660 in my 2012 pc and it maxes out in mwo at 44fps which is fine for me. Any cpu over 3.5gigs is better if you want to play more modern games as my cpu does skyrim and mgsvttp well into the 50s and 60s fps.

#3 The Basilisk

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:34 AM

Does not come even near to be minimal viable.
Main Prozessor and Graphics card have been released in 2010 and where budget solutions back than.
See lists of products of those lines.
--Prozessor
--Graphics

To sell such a pc with win 10 pro for 200USD should say everything you want to know.
Win 10 ~120USD
Tower 20 - 80 USD
and so on and so on

So where do you think is the rest of the PC ?

If you search for a basic gaming PC try searching around the components build into this PC

There may be equivalent alternatives to processor, graphics, power supply, mainboard and RAM you can find through a serious bang for bugs comparision online.
Hard Drives and Case won't be a big thing to buy.... its just Windows that adds up an other 120 buggs.

Edited by The Basilisk, 07 November 2017 - 08:02 AM.


#4 iofhua

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:05 AM

That won't play games unless you upgrade it a bit. You will want a desktop processor and a decent video card. I would recommend spending a little more and getting something like this:
https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA6BM5GT1320

I know. It costs almost twice as much so I hope I didn't crush your Christmas wish. This has an AMD "APU" so it's a CPU and GPU in one. It's not high-end but is a decent mid-range PC and you can play games with it. You would just have to provide your own monitor (you could maybe re-use one you have?) or if you don't have one, you can get a small one for less than $100 easy.

* You would also need speakers, again maybe re-use some or get a cheap pair from Wal-Mart. Probably $20 for a basic set?

Edited by iofhua, 07 November 2017 - 08:09 AM.


#5 Jonathan8883

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 10:41 AM

I am currently trying to mirror my tower out to my home office with a StarTech HDMI->Ethernet->HDMI relay ($600). It works fine for my work laptop (Win7), but not for my tower (Win7); the remote station gets substantial mouse & keyboard lag whenever I have more on screen than a blank browser page. I have been trying to debug it for over a month now, and if I can't get it working, finding a way to return or resell it and replace it with a tower is fine. I already have all peripherals in place.

The $374 PC looks good, although the graphics card is a bit smaller than my nVidia 6gb? Comparing graphics cards is difficult. GB aren't always equal.

#6 iofhua

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:17 AM

The AMD APU's have integrated graphics chips. Integrated graphics aren't as good as a dedicated video card like your Nvidia card is. However the APU graphics are high end integrated chips versus the low-end integrated graphics you would find in say, a cheap laptop.

A Youtuber has done a performance test of the A12-9800 APU here:
https://youtu.be/X4FdhgSUKuA

A lot of the games are at medium settings, or 720p instead of 1080p, but they run okay.

It sounds like you have a funky setup with your home PC. The input lag is probably a result of your relay converting video from HDMI to ethernet to HDMI again. It almost sounds like your gaming over remote desktop, which would have the same issue.

#7 Jonathan8883

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 03:32 PM

The weird part is that I can plug my Win7 laptop into the same configuration as the tower, and get no lag even when it's being stress-tested with a 3d modeling test and running 3 Youtube videos. It'll start hanging a bit due to the amount of processing going on, but the inputs never lag.

I just can't pin down the issue between the motherboard, graphics card, etc.

#8 Spheroid

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 08:20 PM

You need to provide your maximum budget, upgrade timeframe and any existing parts that can be recycled into a new build. In my opinion a good budget low-end gaming machine should run 300-600 USD not adjusted for recycling savings.

A cheap or used Intel Sandy Bridge is my recommendation.

This game does not require the latest and greatest. I am running an ancient phenom II circa 2010 with zero problems. My biggest expenses have been periodic video card updates. I am thinking about getting a Ryzen in 2018, but I want to see where DDR4 memory is priced first.

Edited by Spheroid, 08 November 2017 - 12:37 PM.


#9 Tier5 Kerensky

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:26 PM

Some months ago I upgraded to 3.2 GHz Ivy Bridge i5 quad core.(same performance as Sandy Bridge of same clockrate) I upgraded from rather old 2.6 GHz Core2 Quad, which was a huge improvement. Notice as the architectures are about 3 generations apart their clock speeds are not directly comparable, 3.2 clocked core2 would be still much slower to 2.6 clocked Ivy Bridge.

I got this fairly decent price of 200 euros, and I had a decent GPU+ SSD+HDD from my old computer. I would expect similiar computer is about 200 dollars in US, from private local seller. If you won't have old any parts then something like 200 for main unit, 100 for GPU and another 100 for SSD should be enough, in dollars for used parts expect SSD new.


W3530 is between Sandy/Ivy Bridge and Core2. You'd not only want something faster, also the price of 200 dollars is way too much. It would run MWO adequetly, if you were to get a computer like that for free.

Even 100 dollars would be too much for it. Large companies that sell refurb computers have to pay extra for Windows for "renewing" the original OEM license. If you'd buy the same computer from the original company that used it as workplace desktop it would likely come with the original OEM Windows sticker that has install key and you could reinstall the Windows clean, without having to pay any extra for Microsoft.

To get fairly close to average 60 FPS this game requires a really good and fairly new CPU, as the game is just not made so well.

You want something more close to this.
This particular example has a really antique GPU though so you'd never want to buy something that has roughly 14 years old parts inside. I would not expect so old card to even work properly in games, plus the amount of memory old cards have can severly limit any modern game.
Most likely you would find easier just a proper chassis with nice motherboard&CPU and then upgrade a gaming graphics card onto it.

https://www.ebay.com...98AAOSwuOxZxmms

Edited by Teer Kerensky, 07 November 2017 - 11:27 PM.


#10 arcana75

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Posted 07 November 2017 - 11:53 PM

View PostJonathan8883, on 07 November 2017 - 07:10 AM, said:

https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA9UW5MB0896

Specs on the graphics card aren't straight up comparable, and threading/processor stuff is confusing. I stopped following all these details 10-15 years ago.

Does this at least meet the recommended specs, so that I can count on good graphics and frame rate with no issues?

That listing says the GPU is an NVidia Quadro 4000 which if you compare to the recommended NVidia 660GTX or Radeon 7870, is a pretty crap card: http://www.game-deba...-vs-quadro-4000

The Quadro 4000 is pegged as a slower NVidia 450GTS.

Edited by arcana75, 07 November 2017 - 11:55 PM.


#11 Jonathan8883

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 05:09 AM

View Postiofhua, on 07 November 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

The AMD APU's have integrated graphics chips. Integrated graphics aren't as good as a dedicated video card like your Nvidia card is. However the APU graphics are high end integrated chips versus the low-end integrated graphics you would find in say, a cheap laptop.

A Youtuber has done a performance test of the A12-9800 APU here:
https://youtu.be/X4FdhgSUKuA

A lot of the games are at medium settings, or 720p instead of 1080p, but they run okay.

It sounds like you have a funky setup with your home PC. The input lag is probably a result of your relay converting video from HDMI to ethernet to HDMI again. It almost sounds like your gaming over remote desktop, which would have the same issue.

Is the consensus that this will be fine (medium/high) performance for MWO, and decent for most other games?
The only 2 computer games that are "new-ish" that I am playing these days are MWO and Factorio...and Factorio ran on my old XP box until they deprecated 32bit.

#12 Jonathan8883

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 08:54 AM

I am going to go with Win7 on the second tower (I don't buy SAAS, nor do I trust Win10 for privacy reasons...not a debate just a statement). Buying a tower with it pre-installed saves me $130 or thereabouts. When looking at options, I came up with this:

https://www.newegg.c...=9SIA77G3G45941
It runs a Radeon R7 240. Specs here: http://www.amd.com/e...ics/desktop/r7#

Is that at least mid-range for MWO?

By the way, Star Tech's tech support has been total champs in trying to get my relay working. I have some wonky edge case, but they have been patient and detailed. If you need obscure computer connectivity hardware, they are definitely the people you want to work with. I even got tech support responses on the weekend!


So many options. Cars are easier to shop for. Budget is anything under $500 shipped (US) including Win7 64bit.

Edited by Jonathan8883, 08 November 2017 - 09:00 AM.


#13 Spheroid

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:06 AM

How about something like this? Atleast you are looking at the refurbed section of Newegg. I am big Newegg supporter. Just get a rebuilt generic computer and stick a decent cheap videocard in it like a 950 or 1050. Do you want a small case, do you want a midsized tower, etc?

https://www.newegg.c...N82E16883794692

If you want to see the vague strength of any CPU go passmark.com. This i5 has a rating of just under 6,000.

You still haven't said when you are undertaking this purchase. Should people here continue to perform research or are you about to pull the trigger?

Edited by Spheroid, 08 November 2017 - 08:24 PM.


#14 Jonathan8883

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:17 AM

View PostSpheroid, on 08 November 2017 - 10:06 AM, said:

How about something like this? Atleast you are looking at the refurbed section of Newegg. I am big Newegg supporter. Just get a rebuilt generic computer and stick a decent cheap videocard in it like a 950 or 1050. Do you want a small case, do you want a midsized tower, etc?

https://www.newegg.c...N82E16883794692

If you want to see the vague strength of any CPU go passmark.com. This i5 has a rating of just under 6,000.

You still haven't said when you are undertaking this purchase. Should people here continue to preform research or are you about to pull the trigger?

I don't know of the 6,000 is a good number or a bad number.
I'm ready to order as soon as I get something squared away and confirmed. The Lenovo + a $300 graphics card ought to work, right? Better than the $400-$500 refurbed ones?

Form factor is not super relevant; I tend to favor large towers because they are easier to work in whenever I need to replace something. My main tower is a monster and very, very easy to work with!

#15 Spheroid

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:27 AM

Here's a low profile 1050. That is why I wanted to know what size case you were looking for.

https://www.newegg.c...N82E16814125951

Edited by Spheroid, 08 November 2017 - 10:36 AM.


#16 Spheroid

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:47 AM

Here is the same processor in a larger case. https://www.newegg.c...N82E16883164455

Edited by Spheroid, 08 November 2017 - 10:47 AM.


#17 iofhua

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:49 AM

View PostSpheroid, on 08 November 2017 - 10:27 AM, said:

Here's a low profile 1050. That is why I wanted to know what size case you were looking for.

https://www.newegg.c...N82E16814125951


^^^ +1

Just be aware of the case size for your components. A slim line case would need a low-profile card, or at least a card with a low-profile bracket. Some cards will come with two brackets.

#18 Spheroid

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 11:22 AM

The R7 240 is a complete dog. You want a good balance between cpu performance and gpu performance so one doesn't greatly bottleneck the other.

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The rate of cpu evolution really slowed down this decade when Intel became dominant. GPU competition however continued unabated. The rapid turnover in performance per dollar means shopping smartly can payoff greatly.

You can go much cheaper on the gpu, MWO really doesn't care that much but it would hurt in other games. The most important thing is not to get a weak CPU.

On edit, the 950 is an even better value. Under $100 with a higher performance score than base 1050 as well(The 1050 is extremely power efficient though). I currently run a GTX 950 which replaced a Radeon R7 270 which failed prematurely. Before that ran various Radeons including the 5750.

https://www.videocar...GTX+950&id=3295

If the listed prices are to be believed you could have that system for under $350. The linked refurbs obey your Windows 7 requirement.

Edited by Spheroid, 08 November 2017 - 01:40 PM.


#19 Jonathan8883

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:12 PM

Spheroid, thanks for the Passmark link. I went down the list of top-performing cards until I hit the $200 mark.
(I wish I'd had this when I built my main tower 5 months ago; I have a feeling I spent too much)

https://www.newegg.c...N82E16883164455 ($229)
EVGA GeForce GTX 1060 GAMING, ACX 2.0 (Single Fan), 03G-P4-6160-KR, 3GB GDDR5 $200 - $20 rebate

https://www.newegg.c...#scrollFullInfo

And that puts me out the door for right at $400...
Good match? Good speed, able to play most semi-modern games?

("Modern" games - hah - my highest hour count is BG2, and one of the last 5 games i bought was 1999's King of Dragon Pass).

#20 Spheroid

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Posted 08 November 2017 - 01:34 PM

What prevents you from using your work computer secondary tower for gaming? Is it located outside your home? I am curious in what manner you use that Nvidia? Rendering/CAD?

Edited by Spheroid, 08 November 2017 - 02:02 PM.






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