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[Davegt27]

I am here to lament and give homage to the once great Timber Wolf

and thank it for the many many top damage scores I received while piloting it

thank you Streak Wolf RIP

[Mole]

So basically you're lamenting that it is no longer overpowered? Because I mean, it's still a good 'mech overall.

Edited by Mole, 07 December 2017 - 05:13 PM.

[Trenchbird]

Streakwolf? Gross. Now, 2X HLL+5X MPL TBR, or quad SRM-6A? Eh. Better.

[Khobai]

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So basically you're lamenting that it is no longer overpowered? Because I mean, it's still a good 'mech overall.

but what we have is not a timberwolf

timberwolves are supposed to be incredibly agile mechs that move unnaturally for their tonnage

a timberwolf that isnt agile might as well not even exist

[arcana75]

Wow 1.2m GXP... how long to get that much?

[Wolfways]

Davegt27, on 07 December 2017 - 04:44 PM, said:

I am here to lament and give homage to the once great Timber Wolf

and thank it for the many many top damage scores I received while piloting it

thank you Streak Wolf RIP

My god those launchers are ugly

[Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood]

arcana75, on 07 December 2017 - 06:20 PM, said:

Wow 1.2m GXP... how long to get that much?

He had a thread about how he reached 20k matches a week or two ago.


Also RIP Timber Wolf. Used to be decent now it sucks. With its terrible mobility (lower than many IS assaults in the 80-90 ton range) and its terrible hitboxes its as much of a glass cannon as the Ebon Jaguar if not worse and doesn't even get the high mounted arm pods and then it gets neg quirks on the 3 high mounted energy weapon pod. Meanwhile the 65 tonners such as Ebon Jaguar get no negative quirks for its 3 high mounted energy weapon pod, nor for the 2 high mounted energy pod on the other side, or its high mounted arm weapons. Hellbringer gets 3 high mounted energy weapons and ECM in one pod with no negative quirks then a head energy slot and 2 energy in the other torso, no negative quirks.

Why does the Timber Wolf still have negative quirks when mechs that are better than it don't? Why is the Timber Wolf so bad at mobility when its lighter than mechs it is slower than, has an absolutely HUGE engine in it, and was noted in lore for being extremely mobile?

[davoodoo]

Catten Hart, on 07 December 2017 - 05:27 PM, said:

Streakwolf? Gross. Now, 2X HLL+5X MPL TBR, or quad SRM-6A? Eh. Better.

4 srm6a doesnt even register at scale of firepower worthy of 75 tonner.
also mpl with hll?? not like stormcrow carries 5 ermeds and 2 hll at 20 tons less.

this thing got too big engine for its weight.

[FupDup]

davoodoo, on 07 December 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

4 srm6a doesnt even register at scale of firepower worthy of 75 tonner.
also mpl with hll?? not like stormcrow carries 5 ermeds and 2 hll at 20 tons less.

this thing got too big engine for its weight.

That Crow build is gonna be running ultra toasty...Mad Cat can have more heatsinks (not to mention the MPL is just lower heat on its own), which are kinda sorta important for laser vomit.

I'm not saying the Mad Cat is in a good state right now, just that your specific loadout comparison wasn't the best.

Edited by FupDup, 07 December 2017 - 07:27 PM.

[davoodoo]

FupDup, on 07 December 2017 - 07:25 PM, said:

That Crow build is gonna be running ultra toasty...Mad Cat can have more heatsinks (not to mention the MPL is just lower heat on its own), which are kinda sorta important for laser vomit.

I'm not saying the Mad Cat is in a good state right now, just that your specific loadout comparison wasn't the best.

Id still take 20 ton less on a drop with hotter build that wasnt designed for brawl or dps to begin with.

armor and 5 heat sinks arent worth 20 tons and speed loss.
and hell might aswell go with ebj 2 lpl and 6 ermeds, packed to the brim with dhs, **** medium nerf.

Edited by davoodoo, 07 December 2017 - 07:32 PM.

[Khobai]

the 375 engine on the timberwolf remains inefficient as hell

there is no incentive to take big engines on big mechs anymore

timberwolf (75T) = 27.5 tons free
ebon jaguar (65T) = 28.5 tons free

being 10 tons heavier gives you less tonnage for weapons? lol... plus it has negative quirks?

the timberwolf gains absolutely nothing for having such a big engine. its a huge waste.

timberwolf needs its negative quirks removed. and big engines need to give some kindve bonus again. its fine if its not an agility bonus like before, but it needs to give something else.

Edited by Khobai, 07 December 2017 - 07:50 PM.

[Trenchbird]

davoodoo, on 07 December 2017 - 07:24 PM, said:

4 srm6a doesnt even register at scale of firepower worthy of 75 tonner.
also mpl with hll?? not like stormcrow carries 5 ermeds and 2 hll at 20 tons less.

this thing got too big engine for its weight.

I like how you say the loadouts suck, when the OP's running quad Streak 6s. Not like there's better stuff you can easily stuff onto this over-engined design.

That said, Timber's not my first choice for 75 ton brawler. The Orion IIC-A is.

[Khobai]

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That said, Timber's not my first choice for 75 ton brawler. The Orion IIC-A is.

the timberwolf was never a good brawler anyway. its not really its role.

if the orion is the 75T brawler, and the night gyr is the slow pocket assault, then the timberwolf is the fast skirmisher/flanker.

which is why the tw having its agility nerfed is so baffling. its counterproductive to its role.

and it gets kicked in the mechnuts doubly hard because as an omnimech it cant choose to take a smaller more efficient engine. so its bad at its role and it cant drop down to a lighter engine to fill a different role.

Edited by Khobai, 07 December 2017 - 08:13 PM.

[Mechrophilia]

The Madcat is an iconic mech that just got over-nerffed, and now they're uncommon on the battlefield.
In the right hands its still good, but not 75-tons good

[Alkabides]

Obama probably to blame for the current state of the Timberwolf I'm sure.

[Stf Sgt Marblez]

I'll blame Canada. Ten bucks they'll say srry, and leave the negative quirks untouched, the poor TBR has been holding a sign with an arrow pointing at those negative quirked omnipods saying 'Plz touch here' for what seems like ages. I think it's high time those red numbers dissapear.

I don't care if it's replaced with Machine gun ROF +20%

Or just taken off and not replaced with anything. That would be fine too.

Bottom Line: Negative quirks Gotta Go.

#DoitPGIkthx

[Battlemaster56]

Still find my wolf effencient at whatever role I put it in, just have to put effort when piloting it just as before. It need the neg quirks and boost it's agility. That's all, still a reliable mech that will survive any meta, despite it's ranking in it.

[Curccu]

Timber is OK, Streaks on Timber is not.

[Bud Crue]

Khobai, on 07 December 2017 - 08:00 PM, said:

the timberwolf was never a good brawler anyway. its not really its role.

Oh my how I disagree with that.
Close your eyes. Think back. Back in the early days of Phase 2 CW. Back to Spring of 2015. Back to Tuk 1.
When the game was T-Bolts and Stalkers vs Timbers and Storm Crows and all were brawling and doing nothing else.
I don't pretend that those were the good ole days, but they were indeed brawly as hell, and the Timber was the best.
The thing was a beast. Alas, those days are gone. But the Timber was, once, a brawling god.

[Curccu]

Bud Crue, on 08 December 2017 - 02:40 AM, said:

Oh my how I disagree with that.
Close your eyes. Think back. Back in the early days of Phase 2 CW. Back to Spring of 2015. Back to Tuk 1.
When the game was T-Bolts and Stalkers vs Timbers and Storm Crows and all were brawling and doing nothing else.
I don't pretend that those were the good ole days, but they were indeed brawly as hell, and the Timber was the best.
The thing was a beast. Alas, those days are gone. But the Timber was, once, a brawling god.

I still wouldn't call it bad brawler 4-5xSPL + 4xASRM6 or LB20x + 4xASRM6 still kick hard, there are just other mechs now that offer same firepower and got some positive quirks.