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#1 Wooky1

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 05:24 PM

hey PGI have you looked and the balance of scouting clan vs the IS the bar is pinned against the clan how about to even it up you give the clan back the 5 ton to make it 55t again

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Posted 29 December 2017 - 06:08 PM

I can already see speed tweaked atm crows kiting bushies......sooo many IS pilots will rage quit scouting

maybe lowering IS to 50 would make more sense

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 07:18 AM

dual LB 20 Hunchies and 4 SRM 6 and MPL Huntsmans work pretty well. ERSL Novas aren't too bad just can be disabled pretty easy.

Edited by Steel Claws, 30 December 2017 - 07:20 AM.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:26 PM

View PostSteel Claws, on 30 December 2017 - 07:18 AM, said:

dual LB 20 Hunchies and 4 SRM 6 and MPL Huntsmans work pretty well. ERSL Novas aren't too bad just can be disabled pretty easy.


Work the range. Stay at 300m.

Ffs don't bring lrms/ATMs. Or erlls.

Closest should be 2 hlls, 2cermls on an HBK IIC on Polar and Frozen.

MPLs at 300m+ for at *least* 3 burns before you close.

Pick the LT on Bushies.

#5 Yeonne Greene

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:40 PM

Stop spamming streaks.

View PostHazeclaw, on 29 December 2017 - 06:08 PM, said:

I can already see speed tweaked atm crows kiting bushies......sooo many IS pilots will rage quit scouting

maybe lowering IS to 50 would make more sense


They would just switch to running them down with Assassins.

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 01:41 PM

View PostWooky1, on 29 December 2017 - 05:24 PM, said:

hey PGI have you looked and the balance of scouting clan vs the IS the bar is pinned against the clan how about to even it up you give the clan back the 5 ton to make it 55t again

Whats the point? The large laser cicada will have the same funtime with stormcrow legs as it has now with your 50ton mech legs.

Btw. i find your name offensive, sounds like some cheap rip off. Posted Image

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Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:02 PM

Just give the clams urbie IIcs already and even things out! :D

Personally i am fine with dropping it to 45t both sides since even that weight stretches the definition of "scout"

Clans are going to get the pirahna soon so while the literal chassis limitations might still be there, they'll have *plenty* of battlemech and omni configs to choose from...

Edited by UrbanTarget, 30 December 2017 - 02:04 PM.


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Posted 30 December 2017 - 02:06 PM

Either that or create proper scouting lances where it is typically, what, 3 lights and a medium?

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 03:42 AM

What would also help the scouting gameplay would be more rewards for scouting objecives (intel/...) spread across the whole team instead of rewarding players for just killing each other which leads to the mech monoculture of certain medium mechs we are seeing right now.

Don't just reward killing in "scouting"!

Reward being sneaky /stealthy/fast/clever / using light mechs and not pervert that mode like recent events have done!

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 04:46 AM

That would be ideal, however i think they'd need to change the beacons to:

Only gathering side can capture and like escort, capping them makes one visible on HUD so that protecting team can find them.

The reason they don't reward objectives too much is that it would discourage ANY aggression by gatherers which, lets be honest, would make for a very boring game.

I really get that the mini brawls are not always wanted, however, they are more attractive than nonstop keep-away...

Edited by UrbanTarget, 31 December 2017 - 04:47 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2017 - 05:00 AM

View PostMischiefSC, on 30 December 2017 - 01:26 PM, said:

Work the range. Stay at 300m.

Ffs don't bring lrms/ATMs. Or erlls.

Closest should be 2 hlls, 2cermls on an HBK IIC on Polar and Frozen.

MPLs at 300m+ for at *least* 3 burns before you close.

Pick the LT on Bushies.


khmm, i still remember Heavy Cavalry legging and farming us component by component using his r0nly 2erll jenner.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 05:40 AM

View Postsub2000, on 31 December 2017 - 05:00 AM, said:


khmm, i still remember Heavy Cavalry legging and farming us component by component using his r0nly 2erll jenner.


No plan/tactic is perfect... if there was a guaranteed win scenario, why play?

Besides Heavy knows what he's doing, there are players that can play against the meta, even exploit it if the conditions are right...

Edited by MovinTarget, 31 December 2017 - 06:10 AM.


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Posted 31 December 2017 - 07:19 AM

View PostYeonne Greene, on 30 December 2017 - 01:40 PM, said:

Stop spamming streaks.



They would just switch to running them down with Assassins.


assassins die surprising fast to atms/streaks

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 07:26 AM

View PostHazeclaw, on 31 December 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:


assassins die surprising fast to atms/streaks


And they just have to close to under 120m and get easy kill if boating ATMs.

:)

I LOVE to see ATM boats on Scouting - such a one trick pony easily circumvented.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 07:33 AM

View PostTWIAFU, on 31 December 2017 - 07:26 AM, said:


And they just have to close to under 120m and get easy kill if boating ATMs.

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I LOVE to see ATM boats on Scouting - such a one trick pony easily circumvented.


yeah mostly they're not difficult, except for maps where the atm huntsman can get up on terrain only accessible by JJs and most IS brawlers have no JJs

I think atm crows would be a bigger problem though, it will be most atm armed 55 tons of armour moving 20kph faster than most IS brawlers with good torso yaw, and you don't even need to be able to aim, so most ppl will be able to do this regardless of skill level

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 07:49 AM

Scouting has descended into the usual crud of clan ssrm/atm teams vs is srm teams - no variation, no fun. Changing weight restrictions will make no difference.

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 08:19 AM

View PostDaddyPig, on 31 December 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

Scouting has descended into the usual crud of clan ssrm/atm teams vs is srm teams - no variation, no fun. Changing weight restrictions will make no difference.


Which is why i would like to see the mechanics changed to encourage "scoutish" mechs... i want fighting, i want scouting, i want tactics...

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 10:27 AM

I have been out of the "loop" for some time, but it looks like not much have changed.

There used to be 2 strategies:
Bring the brawlers and slug it out,
or Bring 4 man 160+kph ECM lance and "inlet cheese" ( seldom seen, but was effective, no longer used due to how Attack/ Defend is implemented )

There is no determent of bringing max weight ( 55t / 50t ) mechs in scouting, since most of the time it is a brawl,

Hypothetically, if the scouting tonnage was limited to 45 tons for both IS and Clans. (45 ton mechs are typically fill the command role for light scout lances in lore )
It would still be a brawl, between BJ-1X* and Shadow Cat* , unless the objectives changed.

* any other 45 ton mech that happens to be "flavor of the month"

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Posted 31 December 2017 - 10:33 AM

View PostMovinTarget, on 31 December 2017 - 08:19 AM, said:


Which is why i would like to see the mechanics changed to encourage "scoutish" mechs... i want fighting, i want scouting, i want tactics...


I don’t think mechanics really need to be changed. Just the mindset of pilots in scouting. Right now we have a short range brawl-meta going on that 90%+ of the decent/good player base has bought into. Which is fine and it’s a sound strategy if the other side plays along and brings the same kind of builds....but is easily countered with kiting. It’s particularly easily countered on the clan side, just because as a clan pilot you can be 80%+ sure of what any knowledgeable IS team will bring....what their max ranges and speeds will be.....etc. I like to talk about it in terms of the kids game “rock, paper, scissors”....in scouting right now nearly everybody is bringing scissors....and even on the forums we mostly discuss how to build a sharper pair or how to get better using your scissors so you can beat the guy who also has scissors....however the easiest solution is really just to bring a rock. If more (capable) teams succeed with kiting vs the brawling meta....then it will get interesting in scouting as then have to see kiting counters developed and used. That should make things more interesting. But...idk...people do seem stuck on that brawling is the only way to go....which it seems like it is, at least until they run into an organized kiting team and then they are just hosed.

Edited by Marquis De Lafayette, 31 December 2017 - 02:13 PM.


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Posted 31 December 2017 - 10:56 AM

The biggest problem right now is the 4 x Bushwhacker IS Scout teams - the last round of "rebalancing" nerfed Clan weapons past the breaking point and it's "almost" impossible for clan teams to beat them. Even Huntsmen have issues facing 5 x SRM4 supported by an LBX-10, CT ERLL, and 3-4 LMGs per Bushwhacker. Even when you think you've "sticked" them - they still have that damned LL left.

The other thing that is way off balance this event is the armour on some of the IS mechs - I've had dozens of scouting matches this week where all 4 clan mechs are pounding a single IS mech and it refuses to shed armour. Believe it or not but Clan LRMs are proving the most effective in scouting right now.





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