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[Tor Jorgensson]

The "Search" box on the forums isn't working for me, and I can't seem to find any solid, up-to-date info on whether or not there's any legitimate reason to buy more than one variant of a Clan mech, now that you don't need 3 to "Master" them.

Seems like the most you could possibly "need" is 4, and that's only if for some reason you were stacking that chassis for a drop-deck?

I feel like I could, say, just buy a Prime variant, and then load up on whatever OmniPods I want, to get whatever build I want since builds that actually use 8/8 OmniPods seem rare so quirks are irrelevant?

Or am I missing something here?

[Tor Jorgensson]

Hilariously enough, when I did a google search on this, the first result to come back ended up being the last forum post I made, which happened to be on this very same topic "pre-Skills tree era", which didn't EXACTLY answer my question.

This is less about whether or not to SELL extra variants and more about whether or not to BUY extra variants.

[B0oN]

Hello there Tor !
You have answered your own questions pretty well already

You can still get multiples of the same variant if, for instance, :
1: you want to have a certain loadout in your dropdeck multiple times
2: you want to get a certain variants´ set-of-8-omnipods benefits (so no switching omnipods there)

Fyi: I´m owning 12 HBR´s as the most extreme case of mechhoarding in my garage, just because that mech is so hilariously flexible .

Hope that cleared it and good luck with the fighting !

[Tor Jorgensson]

Thanks BOon!

Side question, are there currently any respectable builds that DO capitalize on quirks by using 8/8 OmniPods on any of the Clan mechs?

Or any CTs that have differing fixed items/hardpoints that spring to mind?

P.S. That is a serious amount of HBR love! lol

[Jonathan8883]

The Ice Ferret P variant has ECM in the CT, so if you want ECM you have to buy that specific version.

[Tor Jorgensson]

Jonathan8883, on 07 January 2018 - 12:20 PM, said:

The Ice Ferret P variant has ECM in the CT, so if you want ECM you have to buy that specific version.

Interesting. Did not know that, thanks!

[Tor Jorgensson]

Bought an IFR-P and kitted it out with max armor, SRM-6+Artie, and 4 C-HSLs. Pretty sweet actually. Thanks for the tip!

[Brethren]

As mentioned before the basic 4 reasons to own more than one of a clan omnimech are:

• you want more than one in a drop deck
  
• there are mechs with different center hardpoints
  
• you want to use set-of-8-quirks
  
• you're too lazy to constantly rebuild your one mech

Center hardpoints:

• IFR (either 1 energy or 1 ECM)
  
• TBR (either 1 energy, 1 ballistic or 1 jump jet)
  
• WHK (either none, 1 energy or 1 missile)
  
• DWF (either none, 1 energy, 2 energy or 1 missile + 1 jump jet)

(list probably not complete)


Set-of-8 quirks that I make use of (surely there's more out there):

• KFX-S (-10% energy heat, +15% missile cooldown)
  
• KFX-C (-10% energy cooldown, +10% energy range)
  
• MLX-C (+20% ER laser cooldown, +10% ER laser range)
  
• MLX-B (-10% missile cooldown, +10% acceleration/deceleration)
  
• HMN-Prime (+10% ballistic cooldown, +10% energy heat)
  
• NVA-Prime (+5% medium laser heat, -10% overheat damage)
  
• EBJ-Prime (-10% ballistic, -15% energy, -10% missile cooldown)
  
• HBR-Prime (-10% energy heat, -15% missile cooldown, +20% MG RoF)
  
• MDD-A (-15% ballistic cooldown, +20% PPC velocity)
  
• TBR-S (+30% torso yaw speed, +10% turn rate)
  
• EXE-A (-10% energy heat, +10% energy range, +20% MG RoF)
  
• WHK-Prime (-15% missile cooldown, +10% PPC velocity) on top of all the other sweet PPC quirks of the omnipods

[B0oN]

HBR prime as laservomiter
WHK prime as pure ERPPC "suppressor/longrangesupporter"
and the most evil thing despite it´s agility nerf ... SMN Prime on 2xERPPC+TC7

BUT !

Except for the laservomit HBR neither the WHK or the SMN are what most people would call "meta" ... ERPPCs are still a very challenging weaponsystem but so very, very satisfying
SMN is quite capable as longrange poptarter for Alpine Peaks / Polar Highlands/ Boreal Vault though .

Besides that ... maybe try a HBR with 2 ERPPC+ATM9(or LRM10)+Tag+Narc+ECM ... I had some highly hilarious matches in that loadout, acting more or less as an "area-denial" mech .

All in all and ton for ton I´d be so bold as to say that the HBR is one of the most versatile and close to being best clan heavy, only being rivalled by the massive laser-firepower an EBJ can field .

Hope that helps !

Edited by B0oN, 08 January 2018 - 06:59 AM.

[Tor Jorgensson]

Thank you all very much, this is all great info, and I appreciate it!

[Rogue Jedi]

here is (as far as I know) the complete list of Mechs with weapons or equipment in the center torso

Adder (all) have 1 Energy hardpoint, so all CTs are the same but here for completeness
Arctic Wolf ACW-1 has 1 Missile, ACW-2 has 2Mssile
Viper VPR-C 1Eeneergy, Medusa 1 AMS
ICE Ferret -a, -b, -c and -d all have 1Energy while the -p and -Rainbow Crow each have 1 ECM
Nova -s has 1 AMS
Linbacker -H 1Energy
Night Gyr -D 1Energy
Timber Wolf -S 1 Jumpjet (fixed) -Prime 1Balistic, -A, -C, -D 1Energy
Gargoyle -d 2Eenergy, -Prime and Kin Wolf 1Energy
Warhawk -B has 1 Missile, -C has 1 Energy
Dire Wolf -B has 1 Energy, -W has 2 Energy, the S and the Ultravilot have 1 Missile

[Yumoshiri]

do note that usually, when one variant has a weapon hard point in the CT, usually the other variants get armor or structure.

[vonJerg]

For mechlabing outside the game, go to: http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/

It also has a quirk list ( Battlemechs / Mech_Quirks)

[Brethren]

vonJerg, on 09 January 2018 - 02:16 AM, said:

For mechlabing outside the game, go to: http://mwo.smurfy-net.de/

It also has a quirk list ( Battlemechs / Mech_Quirks)

smurfy is very handy indeed. Sadly the quirk list lacks all the set-of-9 quirks and it's quite a search to go through all the omnipods singehandedly, because quirks are not shown in the mechlab section.

[Spare Parts Bin]

I enjoy Direwolves so I own all but the Champion model. Besides lack of torso speed and running speed exceeding 51.5kph, my only gripe is the UV left&Dr arm omnipods are unavailable for sale at this time.