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[Novakaine]

With the future introduction of the Piranha mech.
It has come to my attention that one of the variants has four AMS.
So how do I put this lightly.
That's totally BS PGI.
Not withstanding AMS incredible ability to shoot thru walls.
I know what you did there PGI.
In addition to all the hard counters this will totally reduce any Lurm boat pilot to ZERO.
A big fat "0".
I know I know aw poor lurm boat special snowflake.
"Well go kick rocks."
It's bad enough I've been more effective in my Victors of late.
Just plain not fun PGI
And for that matter how fair is this?
A Victor how mortifying.
It will be a sad day for Rocketeers.

[FupDup]

Would you rather face the 12 MG or 12 Small Laser variants?

[pattonesque]

I have AMS on all my mechs, if by AMS you mean "stand behind a wall when I hear the missile lock"

[LordNothing]

use merms, they're better.

[N0ni]

Quick somebody give this guy a hug.


You there in the Piranha, you're up first!

[Juju Shinobi]

Download Autocad, helps with aiming. Should be good for you

[Adalicia]

Just play with your foot, you'll be fine.

[justcallme A S H]

Novakaine, on 15 January 2018 - 07:21 PM, said:

It has come to my attention that one of the variants has four AMS.

In addition to all the hard counters this will totally reduce any Lurm boat pilot to ZERO.

As opposed to the Kitfox / Nova which both sport 3? Also with I think ROF quirks or something?

A 4th AMS point while, cute, is rather pointless.

One Tri-AMS kitfox with 15,000 rounds is enough to essentially neutralise 4-5 LRMboats (seen it myself). So one guy LRMing from the back (ie, you) is well and truly already nullified.

Either that or you just seek, you know, cover. Which is the equivalent of 4000 AMS hardpoints

[Pak Hammond]

.......... It's 20 tons......... How much Ams ammo do you think it's going to have??? This and have a useful weapon loadout...
I'm going to run the 4 ams version with them, but l still want to be able to kill things as well.

[JediPanther]

But can 4 ams shoot down a lrm 60 or the stalker's lrm 100 salvo? Clan mechs all pe out their missiles so they are that much less effective to is' bombardment of missiles.

[Lykaon]

pakman61, on 15 January 2018 - 07:33 PM, said:

.......... It's 20 tons......... How much Ams ammo do you think it's going to have??? This and have a useful weapon loadout...
I'm going to run the 4 ams version with them, but l still want to be able to kill things as well.

4 AMS + 1 ton ammo per AMS still leaves 3.5 (ish) tons for weapons.

It is probably more likely to see 3 tons ammo (should be plenty)

[Yosharian]

LRMs? You mean the weapon system that only works consistently on one map?

[Khobai]

if you put 4 AMS on a piranha youre basically not putting any weapons on it.

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4 AMS + 1 ton ammo per AMS still leaves 3.5 (ish) tons for weapons.

the pirahna only has 6.5 tons for weapons (its stock loadout is 12 mg, 2 erml, 1ersl, and 1 ton ammo = 6.5 tons).

so if you take 4 AMS (2 tons) and 3 tons of ammo that only leaves 1.5 tons for weapons. Not 3.5 tons. The only way to get more tons would be to use a smaller engine which is a death sentence for a 20 ton mech.

12mg+3 small/micro lasers+2.5 tons ammo is going to be the norm for a piranha.

the multi-ams role is better left to the kitfox. because the kitfox is already slow and doesnt have the option to go any faster.

Edited by Khobai, 15 January 2018 - 08:32 PM.

[Novakaine]

I love killing Kitkats sooooo satisfying.
And you guys have absolutely no compassion

[gooddragon2]

Novakaine, on 15 January 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

I love killing Kitkats sooooo satisfying.
And you guys have absolutely no compassion

Just take some Novocain for the sore spots. You'll feel better.

[Spheroid]

You really have no clue about how much payload is available at twenty tons do you?

[Brain Cancer]

Honestly, quad AMS on the new 20-tonner is a joke.

Laser AMS would incinerate it, standard AMS it can't carry anything else worth mentioning along with enough ammo to feed them....unless of course you wanted to put an XL100 or something on it and pray nothing spit on you.

In this day of de wey, spitting on you is inevitable. Even then, you're a toddling Clanbot with the weakest armor in the game, hoping the other side decided to use their missile hardpoints for ATMs and LRMs. That being said, you'd troll the heck out of them while the ammo holds up and then be about as useful as the old AC/20 Spider builds.

[SHIN BRODAMA]

In comp-player strategic thinktanks across north america researchers are scratching their heads trying to figure out how to deal with the 4x AMS meta. OP, thank you for bringing this critical balance topic to the PGIs attention, best nbot to listen to the haters.

[MischiefSC]

Honestly you guys are missing the point.

It's the terribad who thinks a 4 AMS 20 ton light is a good idea that is EXACTLY the problem.

That guy is usually pretty worthless anyway; 4 AMS will actually let him provide some useful support to his team. 4 AMS is literally the most use that guy has probably ever been to his team.

Besides. LRMs are already bad and get the shaft often enough. This sort of stuff is just insult the injury. The Piranha has good odds of being broke AF when it's released. I get that PGI is just milking all the $ they can out of MWO before MW5 comes out but.... really? They've intentionally not released this mech for years specifically because it would be broke AF. Nothing has changed to make that not the case.

[Khobai]

you could do x1 LAMS, x3 AMS, and 1 ton of ammo

that gives you 3 tons left for 4 microlasers, 4 machine guns, and 1 ton of ammo

thats about as good as the x4 AMS piranha gets. which is not good at all. and actually pretty bad.


you could also drop your engine size down from 180 to 170 for an extra half ton of ammo. thats probably advisable since 1 ton of ams ammo isnt enough for 3 ams.

Edited by Khobai, 15 January 2018 - 10:31 PM.