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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:15 PM

The Charger/Hatamoto Awareness Thread
This thread's goal is to get both the Charger and the Hatamoto in MWO. If one of them gets in the game, then they will have their name removed from the thread. But if both mechs make it in, it will be closed since it has served its purpose. However, I hope that both mechs make it in game. I am working on updating this thread to show awareness for both the Hatamoto and the Charger in game.

Were the two mechs stand right now
UPDATE: The Charger now has 145 votes.
UPDATE: The Hatamoto-Chi has 260 votes.
So if you are a Charger or Hatamoto fan, VOTE NOW!

The best I can hope for is that both the Charger and Hatamoto can make it into a "Charger Mechpack". With 3 Standard Variants being Chargers and 3 Reinforcements being the Hatamotos respectively.

Kind of like this for example:
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Charger Mech Pack
Charger Variants
CGR-1A1-Could be converted into a "Challenger".
CGR-1A5
CGR-1A9 (Jumper Variant)

Reinforcement Add-Ons
Hatamoto-Chi HTM-26T
Hatamoto-Chi HTM-28Tr (ECM/Jumper Variant)
Hatamoto-Chi HTM-27Td2 [Daniel II] (Hero)

When it comes to the Hatamoto-Chi, just copy/paste a Charger model and give it samurai look and rename it as the Hatamoto. As it was stated in lore, the Hatamoto is an upgraded version of the Charger.

Potential Loyalty Variant
Charger CGR-SA5 (MASC Variant)

This mostly came after a good idea that Catten Hart said.

View PostCatten Hart, on 14 February 2018 - 05:52 PM, said:

Personal Opinion? Release a Charger pack, but have the Reinforcements and Hero be Hatamoto variants with the Special Geo to match. As the Hatamoto is built using Charger hulls and skeletons, I feel that it would certainly fit.

So after I thought about it, I researched both mechs and agreed to turn this into a compromise thread that would see both mechs make it in game. I would most like to see a Charger Mechpack make it in, as long as the Hatamoto variants make it into the game as reinforcement packs.


From the pages of Sarna

Charger
The Charger is seen as an example of abject failure in BattleMech design. Wells Technologies originally wanted to produce an ultra-heavy scout 'Mech for the Star League Defense Force that was not only fast but could survive contact with the enemy. This was done by building the Charger on an 80-ton frame, making it the heaviest scout 'Mech in existence, and powering it with a massive LTV 400 fusion engine that took up almost sixty percent of the Charger's mass. With a top speed which allowed it to outrun most other 'Mechs the Charger was then given ten tons of heavy Durallex armor, enough to survive repeated hits from an Autocannon/20. However these features left very little room for offensive capability, an intentional deficiency on the part of the design team as they saw any task other than gathering data a distraction.

This was to be the 'Mech's downfall, as its popgun laser array proved to be quite laughable, capable of little more than fighting infantry and light combat vehicles. Its armoring, while respectable, could not stand up to sustained punishment, which meant if the 'Mech got too close to heavy combat or trapped by superior numbers it could be shot to pieces. When the Charger debuted in 2665 it quickly became derided as "a light 'Mech trapped in an assault's frame" and the Star League quickly withdrew it from use; Wells Technologies eventually found itself wallowing in over a thousand Chargers which no one now wanted to buy. In an odd twist of fate, the fall of the Star League and the start of the First Succession War would save the company and the Charger. Desperate for any 'Mech they could get their hands on, the Draconis Combine bought the Charger in large numbers and established a long-term contract with the company.

During the long attritional warfare of the Succession Wars era, the Charger proved to be a reliable, low-maintenance 'Mech useful in rear areas and for garrison duty on low-tech worlds, especially in the Periphery. In its limited frontline engagements, this close-assault 'Mech proved itself deadly against smaller recon elements like Wasps and Stingers and any machine whose main armament was already destroyed. Its greatest successes often came in less orthodox roles such as counter-insurgency operations. By 3025 nearly five hundred of the original thousand Chargers were still in use, largely with the Combine but also in the other Great Houses too. This was mainly due to battlefield salvage and black-market trading, the latter of which Wells itself took part in due to export restrictions placed on it by the Combine. The company was eventually bought out by its license-holder Luthien Armor Works in 3027 after the discovery of this underhanded dealing, and production of the original Charger ceased altogether in 3030.

In the devastating aftermath of the Fourth Succession War however, the Combine once again needed 'Mechs to replace its losses, and the Coordinator himself ordered LAW to produce a 'Mech which would act as a symbol of the Combine's might. The resulting crash program to produce the Hatamoto-Chi gave LAW the ability to rework the Charger line using rediscovered technology, allowing them to produce "new" assault 'Mechs in half the time through a major modification program rather than starting from scratch. These new Charger variants debuted in time to meet the Clan Invasion, and while still close-in brawlers their varied weaponry and advanced technology made them far superior. Success with the revamped designs was such that by 3068 every Draconis Combine Mustered Soldiery unit had at least one new Charger in its inventory, though with the loss of LAW's Luthien plant production on the CGR-3K model ceased and many had moved on to the newer CGR-SA5 model. Some of the original Chargers are still used as labyrinthine fighters by backwater stables on Solaris VII.

Hatamoto-Chi
"A melding of the popular Star League era Thug and the poorly regarded Charger, the samurai-themed Hatamoto-Chi was the first post-Succession Wars DCMS BattleMech constructed utilizing recovered LosTech.

Tasked by Kanrei Theodore Kurita to reverse engineer examples of the advanced SLDF BattleMechs provided by ComStar in 3035 for future production, Luthien Armor Works secretly mated the weaponry of the Thug to the form of the maligned Charger. While initially unable to mass-produce the advanced Endo Steel chassis required to match the Thug, the appearance of the early Hatamoto-Chi and their endless variations born of the Charger's spacious torso sent the combined Armed Forces of the Federated Commonwealth into confusion during the War of 3039 and earned the design its place as the light assault 'Mech of choice in the Combine military. Originally manufactured on idle production lines for the Charger on the Combine capital under the cover name of the Maltex Corporation to throw off MIIO investigations, in an attempt to rebuild and upgrade after the Battle of Luthien, LAW sold the production rights to Independence Weaponry and Yori 'Mech Works located on the (then safer) FedCom border."

Now that the fluff is out of the way, let's get these questions answered.

Q: Why would you want that anime Gundam mech?
A: Truth be told, I do like the style of the Mech and I do see some potential with it. After all, I think its time that House Kurita gets their proper Flagship mech added to the game. House Steiner gets the Zeus and later on the Fafnir. House Liao has the Cataphract and Vindicator. House Davion gets to have their Victors, Enforcers, and Jagermechs, and the Mariks only have the Orion. So why not get a good flagship mech?


Q: House Kurita already has enough faction mechs, why would you need this added to the game?
A: While the Dragon, Jenner, and Panther were made by House Kurita, some of them lacked the flagship mech aesthetics. As for the Mauler, it may be the hero that House Kurita needs, but the Hatamoto is the hero they deserve.


Q: The Charger and Thug can do better than the Hatamoto, so why choose this mech?
A: True, the Charger and Thug can perform better than the Hatamoto, but it is based on both of those mechs. The Charger does have better variants and one with MASC, but it lacks style and an ECM variant. As for the Thug, there is nothing interesting about the mech. All it the mech has are Missile and Energy Hardpoints through every variant, sure it has ECM, but that's not saying much. At least the Hatamoto tries to be different, by adding an ECM Jumper variant and a ballistic variant, though it needs more love for its ballistic hardpoints. However, I wouldn't have any quarrel of seeing the Charger released after or before the Hatamoto, I see both mechs as the "big brother" and "little brother" of the group.

Q: I like the Hatamoto-Chi and the Charger I want to see it in game. How can I contribute?
A: There are two ways do to so. The first option is to bump the thread by discussing it and drawing people to this thread. Your second option is to vote on Gas Guzzler's Mech Pack Poll. So far it currently has 250 votes in the IS Assault category, so if you want to bump that number up, here is the thread for it. The more support the better chance it has.
https://mwomercs.com...mech-pack-poll/

NEW!
Q: The Charger is a piece of crap, why would you want this mech in the game?
A: In TT the weapons are lackluster, but when it comes to melee attacks, it lives up to its name. Also, the Charger has good variants that are both interesting and devastating if put into the right hands. So don't judge a book by its cover.

Q: I thought you wanted the Hatamoto first? What are you intending to do with this thread and why?
A: To get the both the Charger and Hatamoto in game. It was initially going to be about the Hatamoto, but after seeing how easy it can be to model from a Charger. It makes sense, it was an upgrade after all.

Q: What would be your main goal for a Charger Pack?
A: Based on Catten's idea, it is to get 3 Chargers as Standard and 3 Hatamotos as reinforcements (one being a Hero Add-on). So I will do everything in my power for it to happen.

Q: What if the Charger is the only mech that makes it in first?
A: Then I'll be happy for those who actually wanted the Charger and revert this thread back to
the Hatamoto Awareness thread. As for me buying it, that depends. If the Charger Pack had 3 Charger variants and 3 Hatamotos, then I'll be buying both the standard and the reinforcements. However if the other Reinforcements were Chargers instead of Hatamotos, I'll wait until they come out for c-bills or until the Hatamotos arrive.

The Charger
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Charger Variants - 80 tons

Charger CGR-1A1 (Laser Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - Small Laser
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - Small Laser
Left Torso - Small Laser
Right Arm - Small Laser
Left Arm - Small Laser

Engine: 320 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 2665
Estimated Hardpoints
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Charger CGR-1A5
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - Small Laser
Center Torso - Medium Laser
Right Torso - AC/20
Left Torso - 2x SRM6
Right Arm - N/A
Left Arm - N/A

Engine: 320 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 3023
Estimated Hardpoints
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Charger "Challenger" CGR-SB
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - Medium Laser
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - Large Laser
Left Torso - Large Laser
Right Arm - Large Laser
Left Arm - Large Laser

Engine: 240 STD = 40 KPH
Debuted: 3025
Estimated Hardpoints
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Charger CGR-1A9 (Jumper Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - Small Laser
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - LRM 20, Medium Laser
Left Torso - Medium Laser
Right Arm - Medium Laser
Left Arm - Medium Laser
Right Leg - 2x Jump Jets
Left Leg - 2x Jump Jets

Engine: 320 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 3034
Estimated Hardpoints
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Charger CGR-SA5 (MASC Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - ER Medium Laser
Center Torso - LBX-20 Autocannon
Right Torso - LBX-20 Autocannon, ER Medium Laser
Left Torso - ER Medium Laser, MASC
Right Arm - N/A
Left Arm - 2xStreak SRM6

Engine: 380 LFE = 64 KPH (86.KPH with MASC)
Debuted: 3063
Estimated Hardpoints
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Charger CGR-2A2 (Missile Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - 2x Rocket Launcher 10s
Left Torso - 2x Rocket Launcher 10s
Right Arm - Medium Laser
Left Arm - Rocket Launcher 10

Engine: 400 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 3064
Estimated Hardpoints
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Games:
Battletech Tabletop Miniature
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Battletech Card Game
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BattlePack: Fourth Succession War
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Charger from unidentified source
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Fan-Art:
Charger by Shortpainter
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Charger by Prime-Mover
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Lego Charger by Brickcommander
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Where to find the Charger:
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When it comes to media, the Charger has not made any appearances in the Mechwarrior games, nor the cartoon.

The Hatamoto-Chi
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Hatamoto Variants - 80 tons

Hatamoto-Chi HTM-26T
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - SRM6
Left Torso - SRM6
Right Arm - PPC
Left Arm - PPC

Engine: 320 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 3039
Estimated Hardpoints
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Hatamoto-Chi HTM-27W (Ballistic Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - AC/5
Left Torso - N/A
Right Arm - PPC
Left Arm - PPC

Engine: 320 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 3049
Estimated Hardpoints
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Hatamoto-Hi HTM-C (Energy Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - 2xMedium Lasers
Left Torso - 2xMedium Lasers
Right Arm - PPC
Left Arm - PPC

Engine: 320 STD = 64 KPH
Debuted: 3050
Estimated Hardpoints
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Hatamoto-Chi HTM-28T (Jumper Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - Jump Jet
Right Torso - Streak SRM6, Jump Jet
Left Torso - Streak SRM6, Jump Jet
Right Arm - Medium Pulse Laser ER PPC
Left Arm - Medium Pulse Laser, ER PPC

Engine: 240 STD = 48 KPH
Debuted: 3059
Estimated Hardpoints
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Hatamoto-Chi HTM-28Tr (ECM/Jumper Variant)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - Jump Jet
Right Torso - Streak SRM6, Jump Jet
Left Torso - Streak SRM4, Jump Jet, ECM
Right Arm - Medium Pulse Laser ER PPC
Left Arm - Medium Pulse Laser, ER PPC

Engine: 240 STD = 48 KPH
Debuted: 3071
Estimated Hardpoints
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Hatamoto-Chi HTM-Daniel II (Potential Hero Mech)
Weapons and Equipment:
Head - N/A
Center Torso - N/A
Right Torso - Streak SRM6
Left Torso - Streak SRM6
Right Arm - LB-10X Autocannon
Left Arm - LB-10X Autocannon

Engine: 240 STD = 48 KPH
Debuted: 3052
Estimated Hardpoints
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Where to find the Hatamoto-Chi:
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But if you want to raise the number up, feel free to do so because I will be keeping tabs on this regularly.

Games:
Card Game
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Tabletop Miniature
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Mechwarrior 2 Ghost Bear Legacy/Mercenaries
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The Unreleased Mechwarrior 4: Mercenaries Mekpak 4 (what could have been, video found here)
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Mechwarrior Tactical Command
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Fan-Art:
Hatamoto-Chi with Sword by Mecha-Zone
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Hatamoto-Chi by Bishop Steiner
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Hatamoto-Chi by Raysss
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Hatamoto-Chi by FJ4
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Lego Hatamoto-Chi by Brickcommander
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Hatamoto-Chi by Steel-Raven
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Hatamoto-Chi by Shimmering Sword
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Funny Hatamoto Art drawn by Alexander Iglesias (a.k.a Flyingdebrisguy). Thank you.
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Media:
The Hatamoto-Chi as seen in BattleTech: The Animated Series, Episode 11
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Hatamoto-Chi on the cover of Field Manual: Draconis Combine
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DCMS Recruitment Poster
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Evolution of the Hatamotos:
Hatamoto-Chi (Succession Wars-Jihad)
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Hatamoto-Kaeru (Jihad-Dark Age)
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Hatamoto-Suna (Dark Age)
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Videos:
MW2: Ghost Bear's Legacy - Mission 07 - Strike on Walcott, by SIRXMMPD


Mechwarrior Tactical Command Intro:

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:27 PM

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:23 PM

Whoever made this was brilliant. But I do have a few problems, the Shadow Hawk legs make it look like a tall medium. I would use the Awesome's legs to make it thicker. Also, the mech's sword needs to be sharper because it looks a stick with a hilt.

Edited by Will9761, 12 February 2018 - 09:05 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:30 PM

Prior to new tech I would have said that Hatamoto-Chi is gonna be mediocre. With the arrival of MRMs though, I can see the mech doing fine with some quirks.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:39 PM

I think we should have more missile hardpoints inflation on each ST but reduce the energy harpoints on each arms to 1 on some similiar variant.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:45 PM

I'd love to see this iconic Mech in the game. Nice job on the awareness thread.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 10:55 PM

no point to this mech unless they add melee to the game. the hero version with the samurai sword would be awesome.

I dont think they should add punching and kicking to the game, thats far too much work for PGI

but the mechs that have melee weapons stock should be able to use them

limiting melee purely to the mechs that have stock melee weapons is a far more reasonable way to get melee into the game than asking for PGI to add punching and kicking to hundreds of existing mechs.

Edited by Khobai, 11 February 2018 - 11:02 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:03 PM

View PostKhobai, on 11 February 2018 - 10:55 PM, said:

no point to this mech unless they add melee to the game

I dont think they should add punching and kicking to the game, thats far too much work for PGI

but the mechs that have melee weapons stock should be able to use them

limiting melee purely to the mechs that have stock melee weapons is a far more reasonable way to get melee into the game than asking for PGI to add punching and kicking to hundreds of existing mechs.


Except Hatamoto-Chi does not have melee weapons stock.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:04 PM

View PostKhobai, on 11 February 2018 - 10:55 PM, said:

no point to this mech unless they add melee to the game. the hero version with the samurai sword would be awesome.

I dont think they should add punching and kicking to the game, thats far too much work for PGI

but the mechs that have melee weapons stock should be able to use them

limiting melee purely to the mechs that have stock melee weapons is a far more reasonable way to get melee into the game than asking for PGI to add punching and kicking to hundreds of existing mechs.

That statement is moot. This mech can hold without using melee weapons. Since we have Civil War tech, it should be a viable mech, given what people can do with it now.

Edited by Will9761, 11 February 2018 - 11:05 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:04 PM

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Except Hatamoto-Chi does not have melee weapons stock.


at least one of the variants does

hence why a bunch of the pictures show it having a melee weapon

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That statement is moot. This mech can hold with using melee weapons. Since we have Civil War tech, it should be a viable mech, given what people can do with it now.


doesnt change the fact it should have a melee weapon. at least one variant should.

a samurai mech without a sword is stupid.

its like an atlas without lrms.

or a dragon without flamers.

the sword gives it purpose. and gives people a reason to buy it.

Edited by Khobai, 11 February 2018 - 11:09 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:07 PM

View PostKhobai, on 11 February 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

at least one variant does

hence why a bunch of the pictures have melee weapons


Hah! That's a single custom variant. None of the mainline production variants have melee. That's a really misguided way of trying to exclude the Hatamoto-Chi, if I ever saw one.

Most of the sword wielding pictures even got the variant wrong, and just added a sword onto the base 27-T. In that case we might as well remove the Atlas since it can also technically grab a sword in its hand.

Edited by El Bandito, 11 February 2018 - 11:12 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:09 PM

As, much as I would love to see melee, that ain't gonna happen. The only way we will have melee weapons will be as a bolt-ons.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:11 PM

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Hah! That's a single custom variant. None of the mainline variants have melee. That's a really misguided way of trying to exclude the Hatamoto-Chi, if I ever saw one.


yeah its too bad MWO doesnt have single custom variants. they could call them something like hero mechs and charge a premium price for them.

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As, much as I would love to see melee, that ain't gonna happen. The only way we will have melee weapons will be as a bolt-ons.


PGI needs to GTFO with their nonfunctional bolton melee weapons

and I dont see why melee cant happen if they only limit it to certain mechs. how hard is it to make a swinging sword animation and program in a delayed hitscan melee attack? not very.

Edited by Khobai, 11 February 2018 - 11:19 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:17 PM

View PostKhobai, on 11 February 2018 - 11:11 PM, said:

yeah its too bad MWO doesnt have single custom variants. they could call them something like hero mechs and charge a premium price for them.

PGI needs to GTFO with their nonfunctional bolton melee weapons


Hatamoto-Chi doesn't even need that sword variant to be the Hero. There are many more custom variants with existing tech.

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:20 PM

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Hatamoto-Chi doesn't even need that sword variant to be the Hero. There are many more custom variants with existing tech.


nope it needs a sword

so you can stab yourself with it

when theres twelve x3 Gauss/PPC poptarts on the other team

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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:35 PM

So the Hatamoto shouldn’t be in the game because it doesn’t have melee? I would agree if this was HBS Battletech, but given the fact that you are basing it off a few pictures posted here doesn’t add up. Most Hatamoto variants can do well without a Sword now that 3060 tech is here. I do know about the Hatamoto variants with Swords like the Shin, but they would get screwed quickly since they have bad weapon placement or because they are poorly undergunned. So basically we would get a Sword only for decoration.

Edited by Will9761, 11 February 2018 - 11:38 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2018 - 11:51 PM

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So the Hatamoto shouldn’t be in the game because it doesn’t have melee?


no it should be in the game and it should have melee

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Most Hatamoto variants can do well without a Sword now that 3060 tech is here


i believe you

but I wont buy it unless it has a sword

i want to swing around a delayed hitscan weapon with a 5m range because it would be hilariously terrible. although if TSM was also added it could potentially hit pretty hard lol.


with solaris coming out this summer, or fall, or two years from now, whenever, nows the time to give us mechs with melee weapons.

theres tons of hero versions of current mechs that have melee weapons. like a hero banshee with a hatchet.

Edited by Khobai, 12 February 2018 - 12:09 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2018 - 12:43 AM

Pfft, now I know Khobai's trolling. Not even worth talking to him anymore.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 02:14 AM

Updated the thread with new info.

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Posted 12 February 2018 - 02:38 AM

Yes, GIMME!!
Just because more mechs is good and I still own the tin miniature.
I could wrap myself in my DCMS blanket and play MWO all night with a warm shiver down my spine.





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