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#1 Throe

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:17 AM

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#2 Spare Parts Bin

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Posted 23 March 2018 - 04:19 PM

Scary stuff. It has been said if you sat down and read 760 pgs of the US Criminal code it would take 26,000 years to,read it all.

Edited by Spare Parts Bin, 23 March 2018 - 04:19 PM.


#3 Exilyth

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 04:00 AM

I'll never get why do some people insist on misusing 1984 and brave new world as instruction manuals.
Sure, sex trafficking is bad and needs to be stopped, but what about freedom?

Reddit can go get themselves torn up in court for all I care, but I'm very concerned for the rest of the internet.

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Posted 24 March 2018 - 02:22 PM

The entire world is going to ****, and you nerds are mad about the internet.
Get in your car and go get your blowies off the corner like they did before the internet was a thing.
Jesus.

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 08:51 PM

This bill has already put a lot of my friends at risk. When Craiglist started personal ads sex workers would frequently use it to find clients, which caused a measurable decline in the homocide death rate of women. All of those sites are getting rid of that which in turn will absolutely get sex workers killed (if it hasn't already) and its absolutely part of the intent of the bill. This bill just created thousands of pimps nationwide.

It also makes dating for the LGBTQ community much more unsafe. Dating sites generally don't allow the LGBTQ community (even if they say they do) so it often falls upon other sites to fulfill the dating need. While Grindr exists now that is basically all that exists anymore. M4M, F4F, and T4T was a good way to avoid hitting on the wrong person at a bar or getting lured, which is still a thing that happens (and in fact is becoming more common in some countries like Russia) because, like with the sex work, an internet history and a line of communication makes it a lot harder to commit a crime and get away with it. In fact IIRC that was what did in the Craigslist Killers. Anyways, "friend of Dorothy" is looking like its going to become a thing again, at least in more rural communities.

View PostfeeWAIVER, on 24 March 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

The entire world is going to ****, and you nerds are mad about the internet.
Get in your car and go get your blowies off the corner like they did before the internet was a thing.
Jesus.


You know people went to jail getting their blowies. Others like myself went to jail, were sexually assaulted, and were even killed giving blowies to others.

#6 The Basilisk

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Posted 25 March 2018 - 11:52 PM

Well this will basicaly meen that those websites will stop beeing hosted in US go somewhere to the wild wild east, india and southwest.
Only guys that are hindered by this are those that never intended to support or do crimminal things.
The real criminals will just operate from somewhere where they are even harder to get.

The Internet is a little more than the US.

#7 Exilyth

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 05:54 AM

Dark web, deep web, exchanging usb sticks irl in hipster coffee places, microfilms hidden in dead drops...
The real criminals will not be affected much by this.

#8 MechaBattler

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 12:13 PM

Like Basilisk said, it's not really going to change anything for the real criminals, they'll just find another way. But it may be used by other entities to bully websites out of existence.

#9 IllCaesar

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Posted 26 March 2018 - 08:09 PM

View PostExilyth, on 26 March 2018 - 05:54 AM, said:

Dark web, deep web, exchanging usb sticks irl in hipster coffee places, microfilms hidden in dead drops...
The real criminals will not be affected much by this.


Its blackmail on social media sites. "Hey, these dudes did illegal **** on your site. We won't prosecute if you violate the privacy of others and give us tons of information under the table." Same deal as the Patriot Act - illegally obtain evidence displaying guilt, then try to get other evidence that points towards what the NSA had. If for whatever reason you do something to catch the ire of somebody high up they'll be able to hit you with so much **** you wouldn't think it was possible. Thanks to a law that they passed last year the U.S. federal government is stockpiling our DNA from sites like 23&Me and Ancestry.com without the need of probable cause or a warrant and they're going to do a similar shortcut process. Instead of going out and looking for the real killer they'll just find anybody in the area that has DNA that is a partial match for the killer's DNA and try to pin it on them.

#10 Lily from animove

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Posted 11 April 2018 - 11:32 AM

awwwwwwwwwwwwwww, no one effing cares as long as thex cna freely flame and watch porn on the net.

#11 Throe

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 02:27 PM

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 02:31 PM

View PostThroe, on 23 April 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

The street sales are precisely what these sex workers are upset about. Denied the ability to market their services online with prescreening, they are now left with *only* the ability to sell their services on the street, just like it was before the internet existed. This puts them at greater risk for kidnapping, murder, and exploitation(i.e. pimps).


It should be ok.

They'll naturally transition towards utilizing social media: twitter, facebook, snapchat, etc.

It should be noted chase bank closed the bank accounts of many sex workers and adult entertainers in the past.

Large institutions dislike adult entertainers as they're essentially entrepreneurs and small business owners which the establishment does not approve of and routinely does things like this deliberately to target them.

#13 Throe

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 02:46 PM

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 03:15 PM

View PostThroe, on 23 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

No. People have already died as a result of this bill. People who didn't deserve to die.


I agree the bill is evil.

But what is evil about it is it constitutes a double standard and is agenda based.

View PostThroe, on 23 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Doubtful. This legislation makes it so that if anyone starts using such a platform for these activities, the platform now has a very strong incentive to shut it down ASAP to avoid potential liability.


Legislation didn't prevent prohibition or illicit drug abuse.

Legislation probably won't do much here as the power of legislation is too often significantly exaggerated.

View PostThroe, on 23 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

Not surprising, but also not related to this discussion. It's worth noting that most forms of sex work is currently illegal in the United States, and various banks have long been known to collude with authorities to try to shut things down.


Most forms of sex work are 100% legal in countries other than the united states. In germany there used to be a policy in play where women who couldn't find a job might be forced into prostitution.

There's a double standard whereby banks push prostitution and sex work in every country other than the united states. The only reason they object to prostitution in the USA is because they're attacking america economically and do not approve of the economic benefits provided by prostitution/sex work.

View PostThroe, on 23 April 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

This is obviously a conspiracy theory. While I don't doubt that there are some people who probably feel this way, to suggest there is some grand nationwide conspiracy involving a strong majority of the "oligarchy", which is targeting small business owners because they are a threat, is absurd.

On the contrary, I think much of the objection specifically to sex work is that it spreads disease(a totally separate discussion), and that it puts the lives of the workers in danger(which is really the only issue raised in this thread).


Its a conspiracy theory which is 100% true to anyone who has spent even a small amount of time analyzing these issues. Market centralization and monopolies are the end goal. The best way to achieve this is to repress small businesses--as has occurred for the past 10 years in virtual silence.

You can't label an idea a "conspiracy theory" simply because someone is making an attempt to think, educate or inform themselves. You're not weeding out unlikely theories, you're simply reinforcing the status quo anti-intellectualism which says informed and educated people believe every lie told by the media. An all too common false sentiment in this day and age.

You say sex work "spreads disease"? Well 250,000 americans die from medical errors each year. What will be done to address this? Absolutely nothing. The only reason sex workers are being targeted is because they're entrepreneurs there are no politicians who care about human life or health. To think that the government cares about you is extremely naive to even suggest that they crack down on sex workers because they care about you is delusional.

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Posted 23 April 2018 - 07:45 PM

Think of how bad it would have been for this woman if FOSTA/SESTA had been law when she made a funny tweet in 2017?

Mom's 'funny' tweet about son lands her in human trafficking investigation
https://abcnews.go.c...ory?id=50711095


Oh yeah. And Facebook? You wanted FOSTA/SESTA passed because it made you look good. Well congrats! You very well might be in violation of the very law you supported.

https://www.buzzfeed...Mv2X#.nyMMxpDq6



edit. I can't believe I just used buzzfeed as a source.

Edited by Hexenhammer, 23 April 2018 - 07:45 PM.


#16 IllCaesar

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Posted 25 April 2018 - 04:34 PM

View PostThroe, on 23 April 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Somewhat ironically, since this legislation went live, various communities of sex workers have been crying foul, due to the inability to screen potential clients before conducting transactions. I'm no fan of prostitution, personally, but as with abortion, if you deny services, people will find another way to conduct their transactions. So it becomes far better to regulate rather than prohibit these services entirely, even if we feel they're immoral for some reason.


The street sales are precisely what these sex workers are upset about. Denied the ability to market their services online with prescreening, they are now left with *only* the ability to sell their services on the street, just like it was before the internet existed. This puts them at greater risk for kidnapping, murder, and exploitation(i.e. pimps).


In the U.S. the homocide rate for women, not sex workers but women across the board, dropped 17% when Craigslist personals were created.

The most prolific serial killer in Canadian history preyed upon working gals who were displaced after a major brothel in Toronto was shut down.

Criminals have no legal recourse. It seems obvious to say but many forget that a criminal isn't a "bad guy", a criminal is somebody who engages in a behaviour that has been criminalized. If playing videogames was criminalized tomorrow we'd all be criminals. If somebody were to come into your home and smash up your face you'd have no legal recourse because the cops would take a look around and find contraband - a laptop with Mechwarrior Online installed. This (alongside social stigma) are why sex workers are such major victims of violence. They're criminals with no legal recourse but they're not a Bad Guy. You wouldn't want to **** with some gang banger because a gang banger will kick your butt, might even kill you. A sex worker just wants to exchange entertainment stemming from their bodies for money, no different from athletes and musicians. Blind reverence for what is and isn't legal as a gauge for morality is nonsensical and is why sex workers are everybody's go to Jane Doe in every cop drama ever.

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Granted, the target of this legislation was predominantly pimps, and specifically pimps who were marketing children.


Gonna disagree with you on that. They don't care about trafficked slaves. In fact, most slaves trafficked in north america aren't sex slaves, they're labour slaves. They're mostly refugees and children working fields and cleaning people's houses. This isn't a secret either. If they actually cared about stopping slavery they could draft legislation that would actually address it. They don't care. This is their way of trying to reclaim what they had under the Patriot Act. You remember all of that Edward Snowden stuff? This is just another way of getting that sort of thing again, except this time they can blackmail the sites into actually working with them instead of just allowing access. That's if they're not doing it already, anyways - Facebook already cooperates with the feds by feeding them your personal information.
The street sales are precisely what these sex workers are upset about. Denied the ability to market their services online with prescreening, they are now left with *only* the ability to sell their services on the street, just like it was before the internet existed. This puts them at greater risk for kidnapping, murder, and exploitation(i.e. pimps).

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Posted 30 April 2018 - 01:13 AM

View PostIllCaesar, on 25 March 2018 - 08:51 PM, said:

This bill has already put a lot of my friends at risk. When Craiglist started personal ads sex workers would frequently use it to find clients, which caused a measurable decline in the homocide death rate of women. All of those sites are getting rid of that which in turn will absolutely get sex workers killed (if it hasn't already) and its absolutely part of the intent of the bill. This bill just created thousands of pimps nationwide.

It also makes dating for the LGBTQ community much more unsafe. Dating sites generally don't allow the LGBTQ community (even if they say they do) so it often falls upon other sites to fulfill the dating need. While Grindr exists now that is basically all that exists anymore. M4M, F4F, and T4T was a good way to avoid hitting on the wrong person at a bar or getting lured, which is still a thing that happens (and in fact is becoming more common in some countries like Russia) because, like with the sex work, an internet history and a line of communication makes it a lot harder to commit a crime and get away with it. In fact IIRC that was what did in the Craigslist Killers. Anyways, "friend of Dorothy" is looking like its going to become a thing again, at least in more rural communities.



You know people went to jail getting their blowies. Others like myself went to jail, were sexually assaulted, and were even killed giving blowies to others.


its really screwed up my ability to look at pictures of local male genitalia.





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