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[Luminis]

Vellron2005, on 16 April 2018 - 02:40 AM, said:

Well duh, of course those have something to do with it.. Just saying, you can do that on an annihilator too..

What a surprise, OP doesn't know WTF he's talking about.

[El Bandito]

Remover of Obstacles, on 16 April 2018 - 05:15 AM, said:

Many of the maps did not look like they favored long range and good shooting lanes (only caught a few minutes of previews).

So unless the DWF backs into a corner and just waits.... Just what 32 spectators want...

We will see, soon.

I'm 100% sure that any duelist worth his salt cares nothing about what the spectators will think. A win is a win, and that's all what matters in this type of match.

[Remover of Obstacles]

El Bandito, on 16 April 2018 - 05:25 AM, said:

I'm 100% sure that any duelist worth his salt cares nothing about what the spectators will think. A win is a win, and that's all what matters in this type of match.

Totally agree. Just afraid Russ is trying to pursue some sort of E-sports angle with the spectators.

Imagine next MechCon.
Our best D1 pilots both employ the strategy that got them to the top of D1.
Sit and wait for the other guy to walk by.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

Remover of Obstacles, on 16 April 2018 - 05:36 AM, said:

Totally agree. Just afraid Russ is trying to pursue some sort of E-sports angle with the spectators.

Imagine next MechCon.
Our best D1 pilots both employ the strategy that got them to the top of D1.
Sit and wait for the other guy to walk by.

Well, that's just it, isn't it? High Level Mechwarrior combat, isn't exactly that exciting.

Which is funny, because I remember watching the Virtual World Entertainment Battletech World Championships back in the mid 90's... for those curious, that was the old Simulation pod stuff... Sci Fi channel hosted the tournament, and man, it was fast and frantic... It looked like what you'd expect out of mech combat, Circles of death, sudden 1v1's... just absolute, badass mech combat.

I don't know what happened between then and now, but man, Mechwarrior pilots have become pansies... no one wants to get in and brawl, and if they do, they just want to shoot legs, the action is rarely fast and frantic, instead relying on ERLL builds to dish out damage at extreme ranges... in team matches, it becomes about the team facing down one mech at a time to rubble one mech as fast as possible and get advantage.

I dunno, maybe competition was just different in the 90's, but I miss that kind of fighting... the modern landscape for Mechwarrior is kinda a mess.

[El Bandito]

CMDR Sunset Shimmer, on 16 April 2018 - 06:36 AM, said:

I don't know what happened between then and now, but man, Mechwarrior pilots have become pansies... no one wants to get in and brawl, and if they do, they just want to shoot legs, the action is rarely fast and frantic, instead relying on ERLL builds to dish out damage at extreme ranges... in team matches, it becomes about the team facing down one mech at a time to rubble one mech as fast as possible and get advantage.

I dunno, maybe competition was just different in the 90's, but I miss that kind of fighting... the modern landscape for Mechwarrior is kinda a mess.

That's when pugs fight. In contrast, plenty of organized units in GQ and FP will come straight towards your face and brawl it out.

Edited by El Bandito, 16 April 2018 - 07:15 AM.

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You consistently make the worst threads

[Kaeb Odellas]

El Bandito, on 16 April 2018 - 07:15 AM, said:

That's when pugs fight. In contrast, plenty of organized units in GQ and FP will come straight towards your face and brawl it out.

I remember that first MWO official team tournament having matches end with no kills because both teams were too cautious to engage.

[Mortalcoil]

At this point I can't tell if clanners are actually being serious when they complain or if they are trying to make a joke.

[Almond Brown]

El Bandito, on 16 April 2018 - 03:13 AM, said:

And Arctic Wolf, though the Whale will obliterate both, as long as the pilot is half decent.

When did the "Clans" get invited to Solaris?

[El Bandito]

Almond Brown, on 16 April 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

When did the "Clans" get invited to Solaris?

Money talks. PGI can't have almost half the mech roster not available for a mode--they need to sell as many mech packs as they can.

[Bombast]

Almond Brown, on 16 April 2018 - 08:06 AM, said:

When did the "Clans" get invited to Solaris?

3066.

http://www.sarna.net...lbrigen_Stables

[Dogstar]

Vellron2005, on 16 April 2018 - 02:15 AM, said:

Discuss..

You're a complete nutjob if you think this is IS bias.

[Tordin]

Ok. To shut up any IS or Clan whining. Just add the metatinator and only three weapons, one of each type. Satisfied????



But I wouldnt be surprised that PGI will cut of weapon after weapon because of either way to inbalanced and cant be fixed or due to masss hysteria whining because of incompetence and incapable to adapt. Not counting newbies though ,they have a solid excuses. We all have been there. But peeps who have played several years and still cant adapt. Just sad.

Edited by Tordin, 16 April 2018 - 08:46 AM.

[CMDR Sunset Shimmer]

El Bandito, on 16 April 2018 - 07:15 AM, said:

That's when pugs fight. In contrast, plenty of organized units in GQ and FP will come straight towards your face and brawl it out.

Many forget, I was with Eridani Light Pony back during the first "Run Hot or Die" tournament, this was back in closed beta... and you know what, yeah, back then, there were actually teams with some balls. One of the reasons ELP took that first RHOD tourney, was because we worked as a well oiled unit. Granted it helped us that people wrote us off because we were a clan based around My Little Pony, they didn't expect the ferocity we brought to the table, they didn't expect players like Mechbunny, who was, for a very long time, one of the top tier Jenner pilots.

I don't participate much in high level tournament play these days, but I've watched them... and nearly every match, was a snorefest. I don't know if it's the 12v12 nature of things now, or if it's just the way the game's played, but it's "snipe snipe snipe." there's no urgency, no danger.

I'm hoping Solaris 7 changes that... smaller maps, 1v1 and 2v2 matches... frankly, it's time for MWO to feel, more frantic than it currently does.

[Stridercal]

Vellron2005, on 16 April 2018 - 02:15 AM, said:

PGI states you can't brin a mech to Solaris7 with the following:

7 x any of these

• Heavy PPC
  
• Clan ER PPC
  
• Clan ER Large Laser
  
• Clan Heavy Large Laser
  
• Clan Large Pulse Laser

But you CAN bring following:




7 IS Large Lasers
7 IS ER Large lasers
7 IS Large Pulse lasers
7 PPCs
7 ERPPCs

How is that fair?

Or how is it fair that you can also bring:

2 x Heavy Gauss Riffle
Stealth Armor
Rocket launchers

or basically, a Stealth Fafnir with 2 x Heavy Gauss Riffles?

Oh, it's real money only.. I see..

I call P2W and once again, prejudice against the Clans....

Discuss..

I'm going to rise to your shitpost bait, but only slightly: Show me how stealth armor and dual heavy gauss work, please. I'll wait...

[Jay Leon Hart]

Vellron2005, on 16 April 2018 - 02:15 AM, said:

PGI states you can't brin a mech to Solaris7 with the following:

7 x any of these

• Heavy PPC
  
• Clan ER PPC
  
• Clan ER Large Laser
  
• Clan Heavy Large Laser
  
• Clan Large Pulse Laser

But you CAN bring following:

7 IS Large Lasers
7 IS ER Large lasers
7 IS Large Pulse lasers
7 PPCs
7 ERPPCs

How is that fair?

Or how is it fair that you can also bring:

2 x Heavy Gauss Riffle
Stealth Armor
Rocket launchers

or basically, a Stealth Fafnir with 2 x Heavy Gauss Riffles?

Oh, it's real money only.. I see..

I call P2W and once again, prejudice against the Clans....

Discuss..

*sigh*

A damage/tonnage/space comparison of the things you listed.

What you can't take;

7 Heavy PPC - 105 / 70 / 28
7 Clan ER PPC - 70+35 / 42 / 14
7 Clan ER Large Laser - 77 / 28 / 7
7 Clan Heavy Large Laser - 126 / 28 / 21
7 Clan Large Pulse Laser - 84 / 42 / 14

Vs. what you can take;

7 IS Large Lasers - 63 / 35 / 14
7 IS ER Large lasers - 63 / 35 / 14
7 IS Large Pulse lasers - 70 / 49 / 14
7 PPCs - 70 / 49 / 21
7 ERPPCs - 70 / 49 / 21

I mean... look at those numbers, how is it not obvious?

As for these?

2 x Heavy Gauss Riffle
Stealth Armor
Rocket launchers

- A STD engine only weapon, mostly limited to Assaults
- A joke for Solaris, since there's only 1 or 2 opponent(s) and you should know where you've hit them already
- Granted, these could be hiLOLrious

Vellron2005, on 16 April 2018 - 02:40 AM, said:

Well duh, of course those have something to do with it.. Just saying, you can do that on an annihilator too..

Please, show me which Annihilator (or other IS 'mech) can mount either of the following;

11 x ERPPC - requires 11E slots, 77 tons & 33 slots
15 x ERLL - requires 15E slots, 75 tons & 30 slots

Go on, I'll wait...

Stridercal, on 16 April 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

I'm going to rise to your shitpost bait, but only slightly: Show me how stealth armor and dual heavy gauss work, please. I'll wait...

Oh goodness, I didn't even notice that gem!

[Marquis De Lafayette]

What I can’t wait to see is going to be how many matches end in a “draw”. It will all depend on how the maps are, but I’m worried it will be not as uncommon as it should be. I can just envision: 1 guy will bring a fast Erlarge mech , the other guy a brawler. The Erlarge guy gets up high on a map where he can get range and has good sightlines...The brawler see this and goes down low and camps a spot with only short range sightlines. ...stalemate.... and waiting.....if the Erlarge boat doesn’t come in, it’s a draw...if he comes in and gets wrecked, but not killed. He will try to run and hide for the duration of the match ...(another way to draw). Obviously, if the brawler gets bored and comes out he is easy prey for the Erlarge mech... In 1v. 1 play I am afraid this is not going to be uncommon. If people thought FW had salt-inducing strategies (which there are a few), just wait till Solais drops....I hope I am wrong, but am worried we will see more of this type of play than we care to....camping (hey...no strikes to punish campers) and running away and hiding (if possible on a map).

[MechaBattler]

They're just trying to prevent Gigastar instagib builds. 7 of any of those weapons is only going to be good for kamikaze builds. Not for practical play.

[sycocys]

They didn't ban 7 cLRM20s.... someone needs to tweet Russ immediately!

[evilauthor]

Lyons De Flamand, on 16 April 2018 - 02:21 AM, said:

So, you tell me which mech can pack 7 Heavy PPCs...

Thanks for the laughter

An under-engined Battlemaster with either paper thin armor or no armor at all? Probably with the default 10 standard heat sinks.