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[Mcgral18]

Champion of Khorne Lord of Blood, on 11 May 2018 - 06:09 PM, said:

At least by that stage incremental buffs of RAC2s may have finally made them viable.

That's one thing I don't get. PGI is absolutely fine DEMOLISHING entire classes of weapons in one pass, but when it comes to buffing things they go extremely slowly giving tiny buffs or only effecting a super small minority of mechs (the arm to torso armor changes on some mechs).

Hey, remember that "Temporary" damage buff they gave to SRMs, after gimping them at 1.5 damage? (BTW, while retaining 2.0 and 2.5 Ammo Explosion damage for normal and Artemis missiles, likely oversight)

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N0ni, on 11 May 2018 - 08:32 PM, said:

Honestly, haven't been around since Jan... not that i follow any podcasts/streams anyway.

I guess they'll succeed in increasing TTK if more people go on hiatus or straight up leave. I wanted to play more, but i don't see that happening if i have to change out a good chunk of mechs. Extremely disappointed that i can't play Novas anymore (favorite being 6 SL, 6 ML... can't do that anymore).

What they never realize is that nerfs like these affect those below the "top tier" more than it does the better ones. But hey, i guess a 6 ML Kitfox was too OP, RIP Purifier pods.

I played a 3 AMS, 4 MG, 3 HML Cute Fox tonight
There was one ally who out-damaged me
I didn't use a Strike
It wasn't even a solid score


Quality Tier 1 gameplay was found, with a Cute Fox heavily out damaging the Assault Lance
3 of them combined, with one dealing over 200 dam.

#Tier 1
Now, the question is whether that's due to "EVERYONE GETS TIER 1" oprah meme, or because veteran players are leaving
I know my play has heavily decreased, because the mechs I used to enjoy are kinda shite now.

[The6thMessenger]

Well, it's a step on the right direction at least. Now they just need to roll back the GH changes and DIRECTLY deal with the damage of the weapons individually.

[Johnathan Tanner]

Monkey Lover, on 11 May 2018 - 07:52 PM, said:

You really going to cancel orders over half a second you will have to delay a few weapons?

You know, Its amazing what can happen in 0.5 seconds in a FPS. Funny that.

[JediPanther]

So instead of 3 alphas of 80 plus damage I only have to doge 2.5 alphas of 200. Yay! My IS mechs will live a few seconds longer. Now if I can just make an experimental engine between isxl and lfe that can survive a st loss, not cause instant death and retain the speed of the isxl for my IS lights.

[N0ni]

Mcgral18, on 11 May 2018 - 09:30 PM, said:

#Tier 1
Now, the question is whether that's due to "EVERYONE GETS TIER 1" oprah meme, or because veteran players are leaving
I know my play has heavily decreased, because the mechs I used to enjoy are kinda shite now.

I would say a mix of both, but leaning towards the latter. Just further downhill from here. Can totally relate, half my mechs break some sort of stupid space magic ruleset and i think i've exhausted running BT chassis.

Great news for good units for MWOWC, less of a challenge to get top 10 with less veterans to deal with.

[Monkey Lover]

Johnathan Tanner, on 11 May 2018 - 09:39 PM, said:

You know, Its amazing what can happen in 0.5 seconds in a FPS. Funny that.

Lol some peoples pings are more than this . I personally stopped spending money because my faction and unit are gone. It had very little to do with nerfs. So having a hard time caring about nerf cry babies.

Edited by Monkey Lover, 11 May 2018 - 10:14 PM.

[Arend]

These Laser Nerfs are pathetic, i would have understand Ghostheat-linking MPL/ERML with HLL, but 4 Ghostheat on MPL/ERML which got just recently nerfed, wtf!

Nerf Nerf Nerf . . . . the unfunning of MW:O goes on!

[A Headless Chicken]

Let's nerf the last viable playstyle every Clan 'Mech can fall back upon when their hardpoints or tonnage is limited!

RIP, ye Hellbringers, Marauder IICs, lights with energy hardpoints, Ebon Jaguars, Novas, and a whole list of other 'Mechs I can't even be bothered to remember because they have already been nerfed into oblivion.

It's ok PGI, you're doing a very good job /s

[ANOM O MECH]

Arturo Costa, on 11 May 2018 - 07:56 PM, said:

Nerf bat to a single ridiculously simple set of builds. 2 cERLL + 4 cERML will still be a respectable punch with very good sustained heat dissipation at 81kph base on the Clan side, while some IS builds may do slightly more damage at 70kph or less. Does anyone even run laser vomit IS side anymore? Strongest builds in MRBC right now IS side outside of WLF-2 are all projectile based.

People just crying because they can't put 64-78 damage onto 1 button anymore and will have to learn how to press buttons more than 5-6x per game on average. Lasers are 1 step up from clicking into a red box and should never have been the most effective weapon system. Game will be better off for a sad margin of the player base losing its crutch, and it will be funny watching people smash rocks with their random autocannon shells.

This statement shows a profound lack of understanding the game.

Stagger fire or chain fire = more face time. That is bad.

IS mechs are quirked up the wazoo to handle those alpha's and now having the same as IS without the complete removal of armor quirks to go with it? Again this is bad.

IS dakka is strong. Stronger that Clan and without equal armor is screwed. Oh let's not forget Clan guass has less health and compounded with lack of armor it is very fragile.

People are crying because the changes to one thing, without consideration of what it is going to effect is clearly not going to have positive results in keeping Clan competitive.

This is also most likely going to have the biggest impact on the only mode I enjoy, CW. In quick play Clan/IS doesn't matter. Just bring whatever good mechs are out there. In CW however, who is going to want to play Clan now? Clan potatos are already having trouble with IS mechs that can simply keep walking into an enemy without worry.

So no this isn't people being babies, this change absolutely does not make sense on its own without a major dequirkening... It will however become pretty clear when this goes live and Clan mechs performance numbers and usage are measured.

Edited by tker 669, 11 May 2018 - 10:38 PM.

[STEF_]

During all these years, PGI keeps nerfing and succeds in doing mwo more boring possible patch after patch.

Soooooooo.....I wonder why many players leave and playerbase is sinking....

mmmmmm....I cannot see the reason /s

[STEF_]

FupDup, on 11 May 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

. The biggest change I have to make is just swapping my HBR back to 2 LPL + 3 ERML instead of 4 ERML + 2 HLL because of the new HLL spooky heat cap.

I was using and very well my HBR with 2LPL + 4-5erml...... 3 is so low dmg and cold, just for noobs.

I suppose I'm going to drive many UNTOUCHED IS laserboat. LOL
Clan OP, NEEEERF!!!
(meanwhile, the blackKnight with 3LL+6ML......)

[LordNothing]

not my hll, i have a lot of builds that run those. 2 were prime fp deck builds too. im going to have to rebuild all of them now.

[STEF_]

Andi Nagasia, on 11 May 2018 - 06:15 PM, said:

personally i think we should see how it plays before claiming the sky is falling?

It will play that I'll drive my IS laser voms, with 3LL and 6 ML.....oh look....my IS laservom Black Knight is doing 55 alpha with no GH....

Don0t you feel ridicolous writing this? "IS = 6xERML + 2LL = 48Damge, 41Heat, 16Tons", 'cause GH MATTERS

Edited by Stefka Kerensky, 11 May 2018 - 10:55 PM.

[Grus]

Bombast, on 11 May 2018 - 05:42 PM, said:

25-50% reduction in boatability of Clan lasers. That's a pretty big hammer.

Big hammer... This is population control..

Think about it. Clam laz is getting neutered, yet we get no sort of buffs ( no give and take )

Yet IS is getting a buff to rac2 and banchee and a slight adjustment to the ANH...

Now that a shot tonne of clan builds won't work a good portion of clan might just look across the fence and say well.. not much I need to worry about over there...

[Khobai]

ghost heat change is terrible

wouldve made more sense just to lower the damage on clan lasers

like the 6 damage CERML everyone has been telling PGI to do for months...

[Grus]

tker 669, on 11 May 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

This statement shows a profound lack of understanding the game.

Stagger fire or chain fire = more face time. That is bad.

IS mechs are quirked up the wazoo to handle those alpha's and now having the same as IS without the complete removal of armor quirks to go with it? Again this is bad.

IS dakka is strong. Stronger that Clan and without equal armor is screwed. Oh let's not forget Clan guass has less health and compounded with lack of armor it is very fragile.

People are crying because the changes to one thing, without consideration of what it is going to effect is clearly not going to have positive results in keeping Clan competitive.

This is also most likely going to have the biggest impact on the only mode I enjoy, CW. In quick play Clan/IS doesn't matter. Just bring whatever good mechs are out there. In CW however, who is going to want to play Clan now? Clan potatos are already having trouble with IS mechs that can simply keep walking into an enemy without worry.

So no this isn't people being babies, this change absolutely does not make sense on its own without a major dequirkening... It will however become pretty clear when this goes live and Clan mechs performance numbers and usage are measured.

PREACH!!!!!!!!

[Cer6erus]

I feel like 90% of the weapon nerfs are due to implementing a skill tree system where you can massively buff range, cool downs, and heat. Then they get confused when weapons are strong

[kapusta11]

Yeah, people are overreacting. My Deathstrike build is not changing at all, 2 Gauss, 2 ERLL, 4 ERML same 80 damage alpha. My mech with highest avg damage, Hellbringer, will swap 2 HLL for 2 ERLL/LPL, more heat efficient and less duration, still 50/52 damage for just 12/16 tons and 46.8/45.2 heat per alpha with 25/23 DHS.

[vibrant]

kapusta11, on 11 May 2018 - 11:12 PM, said:

Yeah, people are overreacting. My Deathstrike build is not changing at all, 2 Gauss, 2 ERLL, 4 ERML same 80 damage alpha. My mech with highest avg damage, Hellbringer, will swap 2 HLL for 2 ERLL/LPL, more heat efficient and less duration, still 50/52 damage for just 12/16 tons and 46.8/45.2 heat per alpha with 25/23 DHS.

I'm happy for you that two builds you use aren't affected much. You can understand, I hope, that other people use other builds which are more heavily affected? Particularly lights and mediums?

I don't really get where this prevalent "It doesn't bother me much so I don't understand why it bothers other people" attitude comes from...

[Khobai]

people are definitely not overreacting

this change destroys multiple builds and playstyles, and forces players to completely relearn the game as well as relearn muscle memory skills

PGI chose the absolute most invasive and worst possible way to balance clan lasers.

all they had to do was lower the damage on clan lasers. it wasnt that hard PGI. you done !@#$ed up.

Edited by Khobai, 11 May 2018 - 11:52 PM.