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[Mystere]

Sniper09121986, on 22 May 2018 - 11:11 AM, said:

This game's core premise is shooting mechs with other mechs. It is what makes it a Mechwarrior game. Remove all else and it is still a Mechwarrior game. Remove this and it is now a FP cancer-fest with zerg rushes to objectives without a single shot fired. And yes, it is stat-*****ing of the worst sort, since padding KDR or match score does not go against the game's core premise and pisses other players off much less than padding WLR or getting planet MC, if that is still implemented (I have no idea about that honestly). Padding other stats still lets other guys play their game, objective-rushing does not.

Well, if you and your team had decided to:

DEFEND YOUR BASE

you would have had the "shooting mechs with other mechs". But you decided not to.

Sniper09121986, on 22 May 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

Nobody deserves a quick loss unless he cannot fight. Losing due to your own bad aim/build/skill is one thing, losing due to the other guy stooping to lower level of dezgra than you is another. Such people made their bed in FP, now they lie in it all by themselves and wonder why the mode is stagnating.

See above.

Edited by Mystere, 22 May 2018 - 10:06 PM.

[LowSubmarino]

The only way Escort mode would be fun is to have team cover one of the assaults.

A real player.

In QP matches ppl like to run. Even normal assaults get left behind because ppl hate to just wait. They wanne move.

VIP Atlas is considerably slower than any regular assault/slow mech and takes weird pathes. All of which increases the distance between team and the objective turning it into some kind of handicapped deathmatch. And with distance I dont only mean spatial distance but also distance in terms of playing to and according to mission objectives. Its just irelevant cause the VIP is so dumb, so slow and nobody really botehrs with it.

The vip takes really bad routes eg on frozen city it stays in the center canyon for way too long, in plain sight of team red, often times it melts to combined sniper fire in the early phase of game. No sane person would stay there in the middle, in plain sight, with no cover, getting hammred from advantageous high ground.

Most ppl I see just ignore VIP Atlas and run to engage team red like they do in skirmish.

They should make a real player vip and if that player discos they should automatically give any other assault or heavy VIP status. Dunno why they simply refuse to make a real player vip but its prolly the fear of too much grief and also that ppl consistenly disco in mwo. Turning a mode which evybody asks for into prolly the single least popular mode. It gets rarely chosen. Sometimes I dont play it for days and prolly 100 matches. Or more even.

But devs always take ages to change anything.

Could take years or maybe itll never get changed.

Edited by LowSubmarino, 23 May 2018 - 02:51 AM.

[BTGbullseye]

Max Rickson, on 22 May 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

2-3% Caustic Valley, Terra Therma, Alpine Peaks

The 3 best maps available...

[R Valentine]

Oh god, and when you get escort on Crimson. He's either going to suicide through the tunnel or over the saddle, but both options lead to his instant demise. That's if he doesn't get stuck crossing the stream, which he often does.

[Dragonporn]

^ Gotta agree with LowSubmarino, and it has been suggested many times before: just make VIP one of the Assault players, many issues with this mode would be fixed, but then again, it still would need some tweaks with how turrets/beacons work, etc.

Generally people asking to remove this mode, because it just wastes slot in rotation, and people tend to vote it, to rack up their multiplier, which sometimes leads to mode being chosen (losing bet) and ruining fun for one of the team (usually both). Since this might take ages for PGI to fix it, wiser would be just to pull it for the time being.

[ANOM O MECH]

Variant1, on 22 May 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

okay i googled it, something to do with sat scores, what does that have to do with mwo or escort?
And because i like a good game mode makes me aprently in 21st percentile? im assuming a good thing since im close to 1st aka number one i guess

And how do you know im not competent at the game at all, you havent seen me play at all . also off topic too were talking about escort here. Also what "mountain of evidence" are we talking here, id like to see some them if you would be kind to share. As for it being hated, ive only seen a few posts about. Most of which are about bugs that should be patched an improved on. Not actual amounts of it being hated on just needing some fixes

If we were to get the players that play on mwo to vote we would see if the mode is hated or not. Until then its undecided. And forums dont count since its the minority.

Oh my....

I don't need to see you play, there are stats.

Stats on players, stats on maps and modes.

Again you have no argument, and if you are being serious about not understanding the percentile being spoken of, well I don't know what, as the ToS and CoC limit what I can say to that.

Really do hope you are trolling or joking though.

[Variant1]

tker 669, on 23 May 2018 - 08:48 AM, said:

Oh my....

I don't need to see you play, there are stats.

Stats on players, stats on maps and modes.

Again you have no argument, and if you are being serious about not understanding the percentile being spoken of, well I don't know what, as the ToS and CoC limit what I can say to that.

Really do hope you are trolling or joking though.

Stats? i seen your stats your worse so dont go down that route i could easily destroy you.
And neither does your argument hold any water since we would need opinions from teh majority of players aka player playing mwo instead of the forums who has a few hundred users. I hope you are joking, because so far you havent brought up any facts or valid arguments, which leads me to think you are trolling.

[rasak]

Variant1, on 22 May 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

okay i googled it, something to do with sat scores, what does that have to do with mwo or escort?

Judging by that answer MWO might not be the only thing you place on the left side of the bell curve in.

[ANOM O MECH]

Variant1, on 23 May 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

Stats? i seen your stats your worse so dont go down that route i could easily destroy you.
And neither does your argument hold any water since we would need opinions from teh majority of players aka player playing mwo instead of the forums who has a few hundred users. I hope you are joking, because so far you havent brought up any facts or valid arguments, which leads me to think you are trolling.

Ok so you are thick.

You can't destroy anything and your average score, kdr and wlr paint a clear picture that you are not in any shape, way or form good at this game.

Just for a laugh though....
https://leaderboard....1%0D%0Atker+669

[Sniper09121986]

Mechwarrior1441491, on 22 May 2018 - 07:10 PM, said:

Mechwarrior at its core was never a boring straightforward shooter. It was, has and should always have objectives which bring the pilots into the universe. We are still missing modes where we are raiding supply depots as bonus objectives for rewards. Sure you can always annihilate the opposition, but that should always give you the least amount of rewards.

This is not the singleplayer game you are looking for. I know, I would like that too, with Clan roleplay in Wars of Reaving setting and stuff, but what we want and what we get can be very different things. This here is an online mech shooter with e-sport ambitions, might as well play it as one.

Mystere, on 22 May 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Well, if you and your team had decided to:

DEFEND YOUR BASE

you would have had the "shooting mechs with other mechs". But you decided not to.

Umm, nope. If both teams followed that logic the match would end up in a draw with the same kind of payout and not a single shot fired since everyone would

DEFEND THEIR BASE

out of fear of losing a videogame, scary-scary. Just play on Euro server to see what I mean. So fun, much action.

[MischiefSC]

You can take steps to ensure the safety of your base and still attack the enemy. People do it all the time. Objectives are there and perfectly valid. It just takes a tiny bit of strategy.

[TLBFestus]

PGI will never "fix" escort mode, because they don't believe it's broken.

To believe it's broken, they would have to admit it doesn't work and is a cr@p mode, and Russ' ego would not tolerate that.

[Mcgral18]

Mystere, on 22 May 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Well, if you and your team had decided to:

DEFEND YOUR BASE

Nah, I'll just avoid playing bad game modes

An Asymmetrical game mode could have made that appealing (while also avoiding cap rushing via Assault type counters)
But they didn't do that
We got a worse Assault mode.

[Neela_the_Tarantula]

Not sure if anyone suggested it, but why not make a player the vip? Better than having a potato bot for a vip... also can limit it to any one player who has an assault mech. or what about something that can defend itself? A vip is not gonna get transferred in a battlemech unless he is armed and prepared to fight.

[Wil McCullough]

Problem is when its an AI controlled meatbag on rails.

Cos all the routes the meatbag can take contain a position so advantageous to the attacking team that it's silly.

Hold the meatbag's hand all you want. All i have to do is sit in one of those advantageous positions and wait until your meatbag forces you to come to me to get your colon pushed in.

This was the easiest way to win escort as attacker when i was still playing and nothing's changed since. It' s 5 minute wait for a dice roll that reliably determines whether you win or lose and that dice roll happens before you even drop. 45% of the time, you're defending and lose.45% of the time you're attacker and win. 10% of the time, attacker derps spectacularly and you get a win/loss you're not supposed to.

Edited by Wil McCullough, 23 May 2018 - 11:19 PM.

[EternianWraith]

Roxanne you don't turn out the red light. Escort Polar Highlands or GTFO! Think about it

[BTGbullseye]

Wil McCullough, on 23 May 2018 - 08:19 PM, said:

10% of the time, attacker derps spectacularly and you get a win/loss you're not supposed to.

Hey! I resemble that comment!

[Wil McCullough]

BTGbullseye, on 23 May 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

Hey! I resemble that comment!

Funnily enough, derpy attackers is exactly what is needed to make the game mode fun. That's when you get frantic fights in more obscure parts of the map.

If played strategically (like a "thinking man's shooter" that mwo is supposedto be), it results in extremely bland, extremely one-sided gameplay where no matter who comes out on top, no one wins.

Escort is cancer.

[R5D4]

tker 669, on 23 May 2018 - 10:19 AM, said:

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Just for a laugh though....
https://leaderboard....1%0D%0Atker+669

Neat resource, I'd never seen this before - man I skipped a lot of seasons lol

Edited by R5D4, 24 May 2018 - 05:55 AM.

[Variant1]

rasak, on 23 May 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

Judging by that answer MWO might not be the only thing you place on the left side of the bell curve in.

troll harder please.

tker 669, on 23 May 2018 - 10:19 AM, said:

Ok so you are thick.

You can't destroy anything and your average score, kdr and wlr paint a clear picture that you are not in any shape, way or form good at this game.

Just for a laugh though....
https://leaderboard....1%0D%0Atker+669

The only person thick is you thicker than a concrete wall it seems. Look at the numbers, you play more often then me in mediums in heavies. Ive only recently been playing my jenner more often as light support. Again your argument holds no water, if i were to switch back to my heavies my stats would go right up. The condescending tone doesnt help prove your point either