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#1 PocketYoda

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 05:35 AM

Hello looking at these new EU rules on security and what it means..
  • To give all players a plain English description of what personal information we store and how we use it
  • Let players correct or remove their personal information.
Does this include our in game stats, our game stats as they are ours by default.. And i was wondering does this mean by law that we can now hide these stats and have a say if they are broadcast onto sites like Jarls list without our permission are they breaking laws now..



And if so can we please have them removed if we do not want our in game stats shown, this includes on the mechwarrior profiles etc..

I noticed steam has had to hide profile stats and screenshots by default now (players can still show them if they want to) but by default they are hidden to coincide with the GDPR rules..

If so can we please have options to hide these things from third party sites and other players using our stats against us.

Edited by Samial, 24 May 2018 - 06:02 AM.


#2 Nightbird

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 06:28 AM

There are differences between a platform for games and a game. PGI doesn't have to do this, or else we'll have people asking for their damage scores to be hidden from the end of match screens.. it'll get stupid.

#3 Luminis

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 06:55 AM

"Personal Information", in legal terms, is more akin to this:

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Recorded information about an identifiable individual that may include his or her (1) name, address, email address, phone number, (2) race, nationality, ethnicity, origin, color, religious or political beliefs or associations, (3) age, sex, sexual orientation, marital status, family status, (4) identifying number, code, symbol, (5) finger prints, blood type, inherited characteristics, (6) health care history including information on physical/mental disability, (7) educational, financial, criminal, employment history, (8) others' opinion about the individual, and (9) personal views except those about other individuals.


So, me knowing "Samial's" average match score doesn't infringe on your personal information privacy, for example. Those aren't information that directly relate to you as a person.

As for Steam profiles: It seems strange to me that they actually are as impacted, but on the other hand, they seem to contain far more information than our current leaderboards.

Edited by Luminis, 24 May 2018 - 07:00 AM.


#4 TLBFestus

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 06:58 AM

View PostNightbird, on 24 May 2018 - 06:28 AM, said:

There are differences between a platform for games and a game. PGI doesn't have to do this, or else we'll have people asking for their damage scores to be hidden from the end of match screens.. it'll get stupid.



It's the internet, isn't stupid what it does best?

#5 Luminis

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:02 AM

View PostTLBFestus, on 24 May 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:



It's the internet, isn't stupid what it does best?

Plus, lawmakers don't seem overly concerned with whether a particular law might result in something stupid.

#6 UnKnownPlayer

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:26 AM

The law only applies to people who can be identified by the data. In this case the data being presented only identifies you as a player and not as a person, without it linking to your real life name / address / image it isn't covered by the GDPR.

#7 Prototelis

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 08:52 AM

This has nothing to do with your stats, which you do not own, and are not defined as personal information.

#8 Alexander of Macedon

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:26 AM

Personal information in this context is stuff that can be used to identify you. So no, you can't hide your stats [redacted]

Edited by Tina Benoit, 25 May 2018 - 10:35 AM.
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#9 0bama care

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:08 AM

You have any idea how p#$$ed the try hards would be if they couldn't see others dmg at end of round

#10 Kin3ticX

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:14 AM

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Edited by Tina Benoit, 25 May 2018 - 10:34 AM.
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#11 Vxheous

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:18 AM

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#12 Luminis

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 11:22 AM

View PostAlexander of Macedon, on 24 May 2018 - 10:26 AM, said:

Personal information in this context is stuff that can be used to identify you. So no, you can't hide your bad stats to try to get people to take you more seriously.

That was cold. True but cold.

#13 Alexander of Macedon

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 05:59 PM

View PostLuminis, on 24 May 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

That was cold. True but cold.

I considered being more tactful about it, but given the brazen intent of the query I didn't think it deserved a gentle response.

#14 Khobai

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 07:35 PM

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So no, you can't hide your bad stats to try to get people to take you more seriously.


what are you a communist? because that kindve social credit system is exactly why china sucks.

the reality is stats dont matter. someones opinion isnt worth more or less based on their stats.

there are plenty of players with good stats that make some of the worst suggestions... like that whole community driven proposal. that thing was !@#$ing terrible thats why PGI rejected it.

#15 Luminis

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Posted 24 May 2018 - 10:07 PM

View PostKhobai, on 24 May 2018 - 07:35 PM, said:


what are you a communist?

Basing a person's worth on their ability to perform and contribute and classifying them accordingly isn't exactly a communist thing to do.

Also, China isn't a communist country because communism doesn't exist - because it failed every single time...

#16 Verilligo

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 05:41 AM

View PostLuminis, on 24 May 2018 - 10:07 PM, said:

Basing a person's worth on their ability to perform and contribute and classifying them accordingly isn't exactly a communist thing to do.

Also, China isn't a communist country because communism doesn't exist - because it failed every single time...

I feel like this shortchanges communism as the truth is we've never actually had a communist government. We've had dictatorships that guise themselves as communist governments, but they weren't actually communist from top to bottom. True communism would be a great boon as it would allow for preventing any individual from becoming TOO prosperous or destitute. The trouble is that it also runs directly counter to human nature and given you can't simply reprogram humanity, the entire thing is rather doomed from the outset. Even if you could, the system has a bad habit of wanting to break down when surrounded by non-communistic entities. In short, it's a great system that is ultimately completely impossible to implement.

I find some irony in Khobai's statement, though. If anything, judging someone based on their statistical performance is a capitalist notion and runs directly contrary to communist teachings. It's also perfectly reasonable to do, so long as the conclusion drawn from those stats is appropriately limited in scope and accompanied by discourse.

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 07:31 AM

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Edited by Tina Benoit, 25 May 2018 - 10:33 AM.
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#18 Luminis

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 09:09 AM

View PostVerilligo, on 25 May 2018 - 05:41 AM, said:

The trouble is that it also runs directly counter to human nature and given you can't simply reprogram humanity, the entire thing is rather doomed from the outset.

Exactly, which is why I consider it a failure. The reality is that communism hinges on re-distributing the means of production to public ownership. Whatever the postulated long-term goal might be, this will place the economic and political power in the hands of the few leaders of a supposed leaderless, classless society - even if it's only supposed to be an interim period - thus, corrupting the entire thing right then, right there.

I don't buy into the argument that "true" communism hasn't been tried and has, therefor, not failed. It has been tried but has never been achieved, exactly because - as you lined out - it runs contrary to human nature. Calling the failed state something other than communism doesn't change a thing about the system failing, from my point of view. This really boils down to "it's not true communism if it failed", doesn't it?

View PostVerilligo, on 25 May 2018 - 05:41 AM, said:

If anything, judging someone based on their statistical performance is a capitalist notion and runs directly contrary to communist teachings. It's also perfectly reasonable to do, so long as the conclusion drawn from those stats is appropriately limited in scope and accompanied by discourse.

Before getting completely carried away - yes, that was my primary point Posted Image

Edited by Luminis, 25 May 2018 - 09:10 AM.


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Posted 25 May 2018 - 10:29 AM

Reminder that "stat shaming" or discussing other player's stats and posting them on the forums without their permission is unacceptable and considered equivalent to the "name & shame" or "insults & harassment" infractions of the Code of Conduct, which will result with moderation actions.



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#20 Verilligo

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Posted 25 May 2018 - 10:56 AM

View PostLuminis, on 25 May 2018 - 09:09 AM, said:

Exactly, which is why I consider it a failure. The reality is that communism hinges on re-distributing the means of production to public ownership. Whatever the postulated long-term goal might be, this will place the economic and political power in the hands of the few leaders of a supposed leaderless, classless society - even if it's only supposed to be an interim period - thus, corrupting the entire thing right then, right there.

I don't buy into the argument that "true" communism hasn't been tried and has, therefor, not failed. It has been tried but has never been achieved, exactly because - as you lined out - it runs contrary to human nature. Calling the failed state something other than communism doesn't change a thing about the system failing, from my point of view. This really boils down to "it's not true communism if it failed", doesn't it?

Not exactly. "It's not true communism if it failed" is a No True Scotsman statement and if I argued that, I would well and truly need my head examined. The actual argument I'm putting forward is that it's not that the system fails the people, it's that the people fail the system. I don't intend that in the insulting sense, either, there are any number of systems of governing an organization (country, company, otherwise) that will work in one instance and won't work in another. It's just that human beings happen to be, nearly on the whole, a poor fit for a full-on communistic government. But the concepts contained within communism are not inherently bad.

It's mostly a matter of optics, but it means you can extract certain aspects of communism that DO work with how humans operate and, properly applied, benefit. It's just unfortunate that so many of the examples we've been provided with historically have been terrible. The long string of dictators calling themselves communist leaders has effectively poisoned the well for even bringing up the term communism.

But on topic and in response to Tina, does that mean that EVERY instance of bringing up another player's stats, despite those stats being public information, is now being considered a moderation-worthy offense? 'Cuz that's a pretty hefty shift in tone, even if it was intended that way from the outset.





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