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[Bowelhacker]

KodiakGW, on 01 July 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Looks like a lot of people didn’t bother the read the first sentence.

Perhaps a bit more detail on the other reasons might have helped [Redacted].

Edited by draiocht, 02 July 2018 - 07:54 AM.
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[Dragonporn]

I was in similar situation. I had exactly this NVA-S fully leveled and outfitted, while getting Champ for free. I sold my NVA-S and started leveling up (C) variant. What I did was a painful thing to do, considering Nova is one of my least favorite mechs in the game. I rebuilt it a bit differently and by now it has 91 nodes unlocked. On the plus side, I get one extra consumable slot for free (which PGI isn't in a hurry to fix). Still, sometimes, when feel masochistic, I drop in this mech. Though I still cannot even grasp how it can be any reason to quit the game...

[Will9761]

[Skribs]

Bombast, on 01 July 2018 - 09:50 AM, said:

That's the dumbest MWO related reasoning I've ever heard. And I've heard people try to defend HPG basement strat for over 10 minutes.

After getting the Mech and logging in, and then realizing it was basically useless unless I put a ton of time into a chassis I’ve already done, it was like a buzzkill.

When a game kills my buzz because of stupid design flaws, I don’t usually feel like playing much.

Anastasius Foht, on 01 July 2018 - 09:54 AM, said:

Pls, old system was pure garbage, not even try to argue with your nostalgie.

Old system wasn’t great, but at least I didn’t have to re-level my skills on a Mech when I got a new copy of the same variant. Either way, skills in this game seem to be superfluous anyway. There’s already enough customization with the Mechbay that there’s no reason to have all these skills as well.

Humpday, on 01 July 2018 - 09:57 AM, said:

SMH...fickle people...

I don’t even know what you’re trying to say.

Naglinator, on 01 July 2018 - 10:01 AM, said:

How can you have 452 posts but NO free GXP. I believe your priorities need be straightened out....

The whole benefit of having a Champion over a regular Mech is that it earns extra XP, and by relation GXP. So in order to make use of it, I’d have to spend tens of thousands of GXP to get a moderate increase in XP gains? Seems like a huge waste of GXP to me.

Felbombling, on 01 July 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

I really don't know what to make of your post, OP, but I noted where your thinking is REALLY flawed...

Just strip / sell the Mech and enjoy the free Mech Bay and C-Bills.

I never sell Mechs, especially premium ones. Never know when they’ll be buffed. Or in this case, the rules changed that I can make use of it.

Nightbird, on 01 July 2018 - 10:59 AM, said:

[Redacted]

If someone gave me a guitar which was cursed to make me forget how to play guitar and I’d have to take lessons all over again, then I would not accept the gift.

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 July 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

I guess it depends on what's more important;
Earning 30% more GXP
OR
Not purchasing another 91 SP

How many matches, on average, would it take you to earn enough GXP to cover the XP cost of 91 SP? My guess is a lot. Just sell the NVA-S(C) and enjoy the free MechBay.

At least some people agree with my assessment on it being a huge waste of time. Unfortunately, I can’t bring myself to sell a premium Mech.

MechaBattler, on 01 July 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

So it boils down to "I don't want to have to level it again to get the bonus it has". Then don't! That's gonna make you quit the game? That you received a mech with a bonus for free, but you don't feel like skilling out the mech again? Well then just don't. Is the extra XP really worth? If you use the nova often anyway, it's just a minor inconvenience. Now you're really just digging for excuses to complain. : /

Honestly, I don’t need to “dig for excuses to complain.” After getting the Mech and logging in, and then realizing it was basically useless unless I put a ton of time into a chassis I’ve already done, it was like a buzzkill.

When a game kills my buzz because of stupid design flaws, I don’t usually feel like playing much.

KoalaBrownie, on 01 July 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:

I got a bunch of free mechs but don't use most of them because a lot of the time I find them trash.
Why drive a hero mech with a +30% CB upgrade when I can drive one of my favourite mechs instead and make double the amount of C-Bills anyway because I did far better in the match?

I was under the impression you couldn't sell most of those free mechs though. Could be wrong. If so could have another 4 free bays soon.

Loyalty Mechs you can’t. I don’t know about other free ones.

Nema Nabojiv, on 01 July 2018 - 01:28 PM, said:

Wait, what? Champions earn more GXP? I'll probably go and skill up mine if thats true, I really like Nova-S default build.

If you play it enough that it’s worth it, go for it. But that’s a lot of XP just to get a boost in XP.

DarkFhoenix, on 01 July 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

Dumbest thread ever .

After getting the Mech and logging in, and then realizing it was basically useless unless I put a ton of time into a chassis I’ve already done, it was like a buzzkill.

When a game kills my buzz because of stupid design flaws, I don’t usually feel like playing much.

KodiakGW, on 01 July 2018 - 02:57 PM, said:

Looks like a lot of people didn’t bother the read the first sentence.

Forums, am-I-right?

Bowelhacker, on 01 July 2018 - 06:29 PM, said:

Perhaps a bit more detail on the other reasons might have helped [Redacted].

After getting the Mech and logging in, and then realizing it was basically useless unless I put a ton of time into a chassis I’ve already done, it was like a buzzkill.

When a game kills my buzz because of stupid design flaws, I don’t usually feel like playing much.

But, as to the other reasons…

• I've not really been a fan of the skill tree anyway. I find it to be superfluous to the game (as I mentioned above) because the Mechbay gives plenty of customization options. I have tons of unleveled Mechs, and every unleveled Mech feels like more work that I need to do in order to play the game. When a game becomes work, it's no longer fun.
  
• One issue which appears to have been fixed recently is the fact there was no way to save loadouts in the Mechbay.
  
• There still exist some bugs and map issues that have existed for years. For example, the hitboxes in the hills in Tourmaline. Some hills you can shoot through, other times you shoot at a light you can see entirely and hit an invisible wall.
  
• I've never been a fan of ghost heat. I think other solutions to make high alphas less important (such as increased armor) would have been better. At the time it was first implemented it was mostly hidden information, and it's kind of left a bad taste in my mouth since it was put in.

I've kind of been an off-and-on player of the game because of issues I've had with the game in the past. I hadn't played since the old skill trees and thought I'd come back and try them. I spent 2-3 months with the game, and this happened right around the time I finished off my HSP. When I realized how much work I have to do to level anything again, it pretty quickly killed my enthusiasm.

Dragonporn, on 01 July 2018 - 06:32 PM, said:

I was in similar situation. I had exactly this NVA-S fully leveled and outfitted, while getting Champ for free. I sold my NVA-S and started leveling up (C) variant. What I did was a painful thing to do, considering Nova is one of my least favorite mechs in the game. I rebuilt it a bit differently and by now it has 91 nodes unlocked. On the plus side, I get one extra consumable slot for free (which PGI isn't in a hurry to fix). Still, sometimes, when feel masochistic, I drop in this mech. Though I still cannot even grasp how it can be any reason to quit the game...

I played WoW probably 50+ hours a week for 3 or 4 years. I quit when the game felt like work, because you had to repeat the same daily quests every day for the entire expansion or you would fall behind on gear. When a game feels like work, I quit, because that’s what I have work for. And work pays me, whereas I end up paying for games.

Edited by draiocht, 02 July 2018 - 07:55 AM.
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[Will9761]

Guys, guys, no more responding to this person, let the mods clean up here.

[Yosharian]

You missed one important thing: you can run more than one build on the Nova.

It's quite a versatile mech.

I'm having a blast with the twin ERPPC build.

[Soulless86]

You didn't get a free Mech, you got a free Mechbay.

[FuzzyNova]

If that's why you quit MWO then I don't even know what to say. Out of
All the reasons you could of quit that's the reason. I sold mine and just bought
Another mech. We'll have fun playing Battletech.

You'll be back

[JC Daxion]

well i can see both sides..


1, it is a FTP game there needs to be some sorta grind..

2, I personally think any mech bought should be mastered, Or at least booster ed to perhaps 50% at least. Or maybe run 4x xp Till enough XP to get 91 points.

3, I like the idea that you are talking about.. If you already mastered one, you shouldn't have to grind XP.. (i don't really have an issue with having to pay for the Skill points) Again.. Only 91 free points.. you wanna swap builds, grind some XP

4, I don't even have an issue with free mechs being auto mastered. (why not give those mechs 91 points) Not everyone has 5k GSP.. I know all mine is gone.



So to put it simply, Free mech, Free master... I'm totally good with that, and i wish PGI was too.


the game needs a lot more incentive to Buy mechs, and those free ones, why not master? I realize people will say PTW, but what ever.. the way soloQ is we got try hards playing OP mechs anyway, why is having a mastered mech all that OP?

Edited by JC Daxion, 01 July 2018 - 08:08 PM.

[Black Ivan]

If you don't like it just sell it. Please don't make drama on the forums

[Vellron2005]

Skribs, on 01 July 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

Before anyone gives me a hard time about "this isn't a reason to quit a game", this wasn't the only issue I had with the game. But it was the issue that made me say "ok, I'll find a different game" (And I didn't go far, as I've been having fun with BattleTech).

Here's the deal - I had a Nova-S already, and it was fully levelled. Now, I didn't have ALL skill nodes unlocked, but I did have a 91-point skill build. So my options were between using the new Mech I got which is completely unskilled, but gets XP faster, or using the Mech I already have XP with.

The problem with this is that in the old system, this would have been an instant upgrade. Or, if I didn't have the Mech yet, it would become a new Mech to level, but a new Mech I didn't have before.

Now, the gift becomes a Mech I must level again, in order to start getting a small GXP boost.

There's something wrong with the skill tree if it makes a gift feel like having to redo a chore.

You're looking at this in a negative way..

You got a gift. It's not a replacement of you previous mech and the work you put into it.

It is an opportunity to skill the new one up, make it as good as your first one, and then use both in a single dropdeck, or if you don't want to, sell the old one for cbills, or use it for build expetimentation, or a different purpose..

Also, It's a gift.. If you don't like it.. sell it for cbills.

[LordNothing]

Jay Leon Hart, on 01 July 2018 - 11:00 AM, said:

I guess it depends on what's more important;
Earning 30% more GXP
OR
Not purchasing another 91 SP

How many matches, on average, would it take you to earn enough GXP to cover the XP cost of 91 SP? My guess is a lot. Just sell the NVA-S(C) and enjoy the free MechBay.

i had this delimma before and opted to toss back the champion mech. you have a mech thats fully leveled or a mech of the same type that you have to level but faster. and unless its a mech you really like, you arent going to want to use it to gxp farm with. i do have a champion warhawk thats good as a fun ppc boat. champion uziel just dont cut it. i did keep the nova because i had sp logged on it from before skilltree.

Edited by LordNothing, 01 July 2018 - 11:35 PM.

[Pain G0D]

I can relate .As you can see I bought the Uziel mech pack with a 3P in it and then a couple months later , We all scored a 3P Champion Uziel .

I thanked PGI for their generous gift and now i have 4 totally cool totally different Uzi,s to play with and one is a champion to boot . My Cbill 3P is my strongest Uzi , I would never ever consider selling it just because i got a 3P [C] now.

Ahh yes all that hype about battle tech game saving you sad lil sausages
from the evil MWO experience .How long did that last before everyone ran back here ? 2 months ? Pathetic .

At least if i made forum announcement to quit a game I would have the dignity to never show my face here again but i guess you are not that sort of a person .

You will be back soon if only to moan and whine and quit MWO forever...............again .

Edited by Pain G0D, 01 July 2018 - 11:50 PM.

[Ronan]

There may be other reasons you chose to quit. You didn't originally give them, so the thread by default is about what you did mention.

And you missed the point of having duplicates, and what you could do with the skill tree. As mentioned, different build, with a different skill set that's more optimized for the build. In FP, two Novas with different uses in the same drop deck. In QP, just different ready-to-go builds so you can play the game differently without re-setting things in mechlab first.

Not to mention, just because YOU don't like the way the skill tree works now, doesn't mean it isn't better than before or that it isn't liked by others. Tho I guess now we know what you dislike..

[Koniving]

Skribs, on 01 July 2018 - 09:13 AM, said:

There's something wrong with the skill tree if it makes a gift feel like having to redo a chore.

The thing is I think the experience should be shared between them, but to come already leveled would defeat part of the point of the new skill tree.

The point is you could have the original Nova S built to be a heavily armored rapidly hitting fighter.

You could make the next one a faster (without changing engines) machine that climbs hills better, has a higher heat cap and cooling rate built for alpha strikes. Sure it won't fire as frequently without all the cooldown skill nodes, but you have higher max heat which means higher laser vomit capabilities and a faster cooling period in terms of heat, as well as the ability to get to places the other Nova can't even think of getting to, not to mention be able to do it faster. And sure you traded extra armor for this, but now you have two Nova S Omnimechs that could play completely differently.

Bringing a reason to having more than one copy of the same mech; a huge problem with the old system was there wasn't a point to it at all.

[Niebaum]

[Asym]

JC Daxion, on 01 July 2018 - 08:05 PM, said:

well i can see both sides..

1, it is a FTP game there needs to be some sorta grind..

2, I personally think any mech bought should be mastered, Or at least booster ed to perhaps 50% at least. Or maybe run 4x xp Till enough XP to get 91 points.

3, I like the idea that you are talking about.. If you already mastered one, you shouldn't have to grind XP.. (i don't really have an issue with having to pay for the Skill points) Again.. Only 91 free points.. you wanna swap builds, grind some XP

4, I don't even have an issue with free mechs being auto mastered. (why not give those mechs 91 points) Not everyone has 5k GSP.. I know all mine is gone.
So to put it simply, Free mech, Free master... I'm totally good with that, and i wish PGI was too.

the game needs a lot more incentive to Buy mechs, and those free ones, why not master? I realize people will say PTW, but what ever.. the way soloQ is we got try hards playing OP mechs anyway, why is having a mastered mech all that OP?

One of the benefits in playing F2P is that they are mostly cost neutral in real money but "time expensive" in gameplay time....

Having said that, in other F2P's I play, like WoWs, free ships come mastered.... Ships you buy (premium ships) come mastered. Some ships even come with 1/2 to 3/4 trained Captains !!! There are minor grinds but they involve the Captains of ships, not the ships themselves.... WHAT A RELIEF it is to play a game that doesn't involve endless grinding..... Now, if you want a fully trained CPT, well, you grind a lot or spend a lot to get there. The difference is: you can play that free ship and it is fully combat capable..... CPT skills are "enhancements" beyond perfectly combat capable.

That's not how it works in MWO..... And, one of many reasons I only play events.........where, I play the free mechs and master them, painfully skill node by skill node at the cost to any team I drop with..... So, in effect, every match I drop in you are actually, playing with 11.25 players. And that, is a number that compounds negatively.

Thank you for the free mechs..... as many have said: sell them if you have a same-class mech. Or, if PGI were smart, they'd allow you to use same class XP to level other mechs faster..... I know, that won't ever happen but, losing customers over theses types of issues is crazier.....

[draiocht]

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