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#1 ObeyTheLion

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:00 AM

It's tiring to see the VIP pick paths where it gets completely exposed to enemy fire, forcing it's team to fight in the open, or when it's team goes forward to defend the ECM towers, only for the VIP to take a shortcut, and once again, exposing itself to the entire enemy team with little to no backup.

The gamemode makes no sense in it's current state since the VIP's AI is SO dumb that it takes the most unpredictable actions, and if it's team doesn't react in time to said actions, it's a loss.

Thank you for reading. I just had to get this off of my chest.

Edited by ObeyTheLion, 22 October 2018 - 04:02 AM.


#2 admiralbenbow123

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:05 AM

I think the whole point of this gamemode is to react to the VIPs actions properly. Although I kinda want it to be removed or at least to be fixed in the way players want it to.

#3 Joe Kid

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:29 AM

If you remove it then what hated game mode will I vote for when you choose Polar Highland?

Edited by Joe Kid, 22 October 2018 - 04:30 AM.


#4 Kotzi

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:37 AM

I am pretty sure that they will fix this problem, that exists since the introduction of that mode, soon... Meanwhile do as in any other mode, rush to the enemy and kill him first...

#5 Znozoic

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:39 AM

or make a player pilot of the vip... random...

#6 Kotzi

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 04:52 AM

View PostZnozoic, on 22 October 2018 - 04:39 AM, said:

or make a player pilot of the vip... random...

That would be the smartest solution. I would have been satisfied with the most simplistic ability to give the VIP some commands. A simple hold and advance order. Kinda like some miniscule tactical choices. But no, the VIP is a drunk, half baked moron that is afraid to miss his train and keeps moving slowly towards his doom through the enemy resistance, cause you know, dem tickets prices are expensive...

#7 Sergeant Destroy

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 05:42 AM

Player controlled ViP would hide in spawn till the rest of the team is dead, then try to fend off the remaining enemies with activated adv. zoom below 300 meters, aiming with cursor keys.

Edited by Sergeant Destroy, 22 October 2018 - 05:43 AM.


#8 Daggett

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 05:57 AM

I could imagine the VIP to always take the route that leads to the bulk of it's team. This way the murderball easily controls the VIP's movement without the need of any new controls or interfaces.

It would also make more sense. In a dangerous situation it's always the bodyguards who lead the way, not the VIP they protect.

Edited by Daggett, 22 October 2018 - 06:05 AM.


#9 El Bandito

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 06:23 AM

Yep remove it while reworking it.

#10 HammerMaster

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:10 AM

Every suggestion (removal is pointless) to make it better has been ignored.
Let's keep suggesting.
Bang head on wall.
Ok
Change mech to AS-7K
Load dual AMS, enable ECM, 350 engine. Full sensor/armor/mobility nodes. Fix pathing to follow bulk of team. (Kinda like Long Tom could find bulk of team)
A bandaid but at least doable.

Edited by HammerMaster, 22 October 2018 - 07:11 AM.


#11 Gen Lee

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:16 AM

At least remove it until they can either fix it, or come up with something better. As it is, I don't know of anyone that enjoys the game mode, and people only vote for it to pad their multiplier.

#12 HammerMaster

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:19 AM

View PostGen Lee, on 22 October 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

At least remove it until they can either fix it, or come up with something better. As it is, I don't know of anyone that enjoys the game mode, and people only vote for it to pad their multiplier.


Well ya. I'm gonna pad my multiplier. If a map isn't in the pick. I'll be glad to punish people voting on maps I don't like with incursion or escort. It is very frustrating though when those are your only 2 choices.

#13 Abaddun

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:27 AM

Whilst I like the idea of a player controlled VIP, the experience will be too variable with the range mechs a player can drop in. On top oc that we have to worry about the VIP disconnecting or griefing. If the VIP speed is upped to 59KPH and given the turret offensive AI it might work.

#14 Gen Lee

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:27 AM

View PostHammerMaster, on 22 October 2018 - 07:19 AM, said:


Well ya. I'm gonna pad my multiplier. If a map isn't in the pick. I'll be glad to punish people voting on maps I don't like with incursion or escort. It is very frustrating though when those are your only 2 choices.


What do you mean by punish people if a map isn't in the pick? You mean a map you prefer? I don't get why you think other players should be punished for voting for what they want. Isn't that what you do? I don't mind Incursion, but Escort is lame regardless of which team you're on, or whatever map wins the vote.

Edited by Gen Lee, 22 October 2018 - 07:28 AM.


#15 Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:35 AM

I get it, but still;

yes, the mode kinda sucks when you have to babysit it and your team hides. as usual.

OTOH it forces anybody with more than 3 braincells to be more active and just do something, instead of hiding it out, BECAUSE the damn thing is acting so stupid.
so.. thank you VIP for the few games you 'forced' my team to murderball the other one. would have been a hide-fest without you, so cheers mate.

as long as people don't have a w-key on their keyboard, it should remain in place. hell, I'd play it more often ;)

#16 HammerMaster

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 07:55 AM

View PostGen Lee, on 22 October 2018 - 07:27 AM, said:


What do you mean by punish people if a map isn't in the pick? You mean a map you prefer? I don't get why you think other players should be punished for voting for what they want. Isn't that what you do? I don't mind Incursion, but Escort is lame regardless of which team you're on, or whatever map wins the vote.

Damn right maps I dont like. Force me to play map. I'll force mode. It's what we were given multiplier for ya?
You damn well do it too. You just don't like my wording.

But back on topic. The VIP needs to be addressed.

Edited by HammerMaster, 22 October 2018 - 08:23 AM.


#17 Spheroid

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 08:25 AM

The failure of the escort is only partially caused by the VIP. Entire classes of weapons and mechs are invalidated by the gamemode.

Previously sneaky lights were not able to be sneaky because of the pervasive ECM field. Sure you can flip a node but that it is not instant. While you are flipping that node you are either taking enemy lurm fire or getting hit by the turrets that are close to many of the ECM generators. Not a fun time.

Likewise if you brought NARC, streak or LRM and attempted to engage into enemy ECM you are essentially dead weight.

The whole gamemode promotes hiding and inaction. I want to be busy killing mechs all match not waiting for some viability threshold which may or may not develop.

Maybe the mode is different now with the changes to ECM but the mode is/was garbage and the problems go far beyond the braindead VIP. I downvote it every chance.

#18 Cyrilis

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 08:32 AM

Easy:

Either:
Checkbox in the Main Menu "Volunteering to run as VIP". Give massive rewards. problem solved.
or:
leave VIP on autopilot but give the VIP player the ability to control Torso and Weapon (Yes, that would need an Atlas with 360° torso twist!)

I'd prefer latter

#19 HammerMaster

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 08:41 AM

Eww. Dirty.
Proper ai pathing. Hard to kill nodes. Minimally viable weapons engagement would help metric tons.

#20 Gen Lee

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Posted 22 October 2018 - 10:28 AM

View PostHammerMaster, on 22 October 2018 - 07:55 AM, said:

Damn right maps I dont like. Force me to play map. I'll force mode. It's what we were given multiplier for ya?
You damn well do it too. You just don't like my wording.

But back on topic. The VIP needs to be addressed.


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I think you're taking this map and mode thing a little too personal. I just vote for the map and mode I like best when presented with the options. I don't vote to punish anyone, lol.

Edited by Gen Lee, 22 October 2018 - 10:30 AM.






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