If you are hitting anything other than what you are trying to hit with them then you will have to change the way you are using them & get a little closer to the front line as you must with ATM's & again, as PGI were intending. LOS is the new LRM meta(lol) for anyone who want's to be effective with them.
The thing is, ATMs arcs are so messed up right now that you have to poptart to make them fly over uneven terrain.
As much as I love ATM poptarting, this is still very cancerous thing for a receiving side and I cetrainly don want even more of it.
Racerxintegra2k, on 12 December 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:
There is no reason to bring LRMS for direct fire. MRMs if you want direct fire missiles, but to be honest Lasers and Ballistics are the direct fire kings. The purpose of LRMS was being able to lob them over LOS obstacles to hit enemies you otherwise weren't able to hit. This change makes LOS LRMS silly because you might as well bring lasers/ballistics if you want to shoot straight ahead. They've in effect taken away the different flavor of LRMS to everything else.
I doubt that's the point, the reason is not to make LRMs a direct-fire weapon. I think the point is to make them more reliable, which is their main weakness. By default you should still use LRMs indirectly, but now you have much more flexibility and are no longer hardcountered by some terrain features like tunnels or those ramps in Solaris. Many maps which have been difficult to LRMs will probably become more playable. For example the top on HPG is no longer the ultimate LRM-umbrella, that's the real deal in my opinion.
I'm pretty sure we will soon see another influx of LRM OP threads because some things to protect from them will not work anymore...
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Posted 12 December 2018 - 01:23 PM
Blockpirat, on 12 December 2018 - 11:54 AM, said:
Here's a comparison video of the new LRM trajectories with and without LOS:
Thanks for showing that PGI-added madness in a video.
On the more serious side of the coin, this unfortunately shows a major problem that PGI has now introduced to LRMs. The game's detection does NOT calculate for Friendly Mechs that are in your path, and it NEVER has. LRMs were very much meant to be usable to help your allies when NO Clean Direct Fire Shot is available, even WITHOUT terrain in the way. That's a need usually caused by the feeding frenzy of a Push, or some kind of major Traffic Jam happening. This change to LRMs now causes Teammates to hit each other in the back rather unintentionally, unless the LRM User is hiding behind terrain or a wall.
Frankly, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON A PUBLIC TEST SERVER FOR PROPER TUNING AND DESIGN FIRST, long before it was ever put into the Live Server Environment. I hope PGI is reading the massive increase of Team Damage that their awful and problematic change is causing. While I try to make sure my shots are clean, this change has ensured that I will slip up and hurt Teammates when trying to help a push against the Enemy Team, no matter what I try to do. This has also ensured that LRM Users will DIE a lot more often, because locks WITH a Direct Sight to the Target are STILL taking far too long!
Looks like there's people out there who are now getting their way about making it so the ONLY weapons on the field are Ballistics... Not so much Lasers after the last nerfs to them.... Certainly not Gauss Rifle weaponry or PPCs... Definitely NOT Missiles, unless they're point-blank range, non-locking SRMs being fired. This game is being turned into something that is definitely NOT MechWarrior anymore, because something worthy of that name made ALL the weapons viable, and NOT just a subset of one branch. Something worthy of the MechWarrior name also made ALL the possible Play Styles viable, and NOT just Brawling only.
~Mr. D. V. "This hidden & undocumented change makes MWO into a mockery to the MechWarrior name." Devnull
Thank you PGI.
That heat system fix related to component destruction means a lot to me. I play hot builds and so many times was melted with side torso destruction overheat.
Misunderstood the announcement. The heat system changes have absolutely no value to me. The situation with overheating on component destruction still remains bad, you overheat due to lose of capacity and destroyed component heat injection.
Lame.
D V Devnull, on 12 December 2018 - 01:23 PM, said:
Thanks for showing that PGI-added madness in a video.
On the more serious side of the coin, this unfortunately shows a major problem that PGI has now introduced to LRMs. The game's detection does NOT calculate for Friendly Mechs that are in your path, and it NEVER has. LRMs were very much meant to be usable to help your allies when NO Clean Direct Fire Shot is available, even WITHOUT terrain in the way. That's a need usually caused by the feeding frenzy of a Push, or some kind of major Traffic Jam happening. This change to LRMs now causes Teammates to hit each other in the back rather unintentionally, unless the LRM User is hiding behind terrain or a wall.
Frankly, THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT ON A PUBLIC TEST SERVER FOR PROPER TUNING AND DESIGN FIRST, long before it was ever put into the Live Server Environment. I hope PGI is reading the massive increase of Team Damage that their awful and problematic change is causing. While I try to make sure my shots are clean, this change has ensured that I will slip up and hurt Teammates when trying to help a push against the Enemy Team, no matter what I try to do. This has also ensured that LRM Users will DIE a lot more often, because locks WITH a Direct Sight to the Target are STILL taking far too long!
Looks like there's people out there who are now getting their way about making it so the ONLY weapons on the field are Ballistics... Not so much Lasers after the last nerfs to them.... Certainly not Gauss Rifle weaponry or PPCs... Definitely NOT Missiles, unless they're point-blank range, non-locking SRMs being fired. This game is being turned into something that is definitely NOT MechWarrior anymore, because something worthy of that name made ALL the weapons viable, and NOT just a subset of one branch. Something worthy of the MechWarrior name also made ALL the possible Play Styles viable, and NOT just Brawling only.
~Mr. D. V. "This hidden & undocumented change makes MWO into a mockery to the MechWarrior name." Devnull
Calm down dude, all weapons you mentioned are still viable at least in QP and you can probably still shoot above your allies heads just like with ATMs. Have you even played LRMs post-patch?
This change is not the end of the world, as already pointed out above it can even be advantageous because you now can reliably hit targets in tunnels or on top of HPG. For my playstyle it's a straight BUFF to LRMs and something i missed the whole time.
@Daggett: Add to that that I believe per the lore of BattleTech, they're supposed to have a flat trajectory unless being fired indirectly anyways, likely for the exact reason why they got that buff (hitting guys in enclosed spaces you have LOS on)
like, say, in the MW4 intro: "Look out! GET OUT OF THE HANGAR!"
THE HELL YOU THINKING WITH THE SIDE TORSO HEAT CHANGES.
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN TESTED OUT IN A PTS.
and next time just ask the community so we can tell you its a crap idea and save you the PTS.
DIDNT YOU SAY AT MECHCON THAT YOU WANNA GIVE THE GAME BACK TO THE COMMUNITY AND LET US SET DIRECTION?
WELL THIS HEAT CHANGE IS UNWANTED.
(based on recent poll. majority of players think this was a crap change)
WAKE UP
Edited by Dungeon 206, 18 December 2018 - 02:38 AM.
Aidan Crenshaw, on 30 December 2018 - 12:54 AM, said:
40% loss
Yes and no. The 40% effectiveness is lost from the engine heatsinks but it also affects the heatbar (heat scale for BT folks). Each engine has 10 engine heatsinks and 40% would be 4 heat sinks. It affects both the heatbar and heat dissipation.
Baseline 30 + 6*2 (all eHS has been given 2, even if SHS) = 42 heatbar. Before ST loss it would have been 50. This does not include nodes. Heat dissipation is now on 6 heatsinks instead of 10 heatsinks.
Edited by Tarl Cabot, 30 December 2018 - 08:19 AM.
I really hope this new ST penalty gets removed or *heavily* reduced. My Wolverine with 1 AC10, an ML, and an SRM6 lost its ST on HPG Manifold and went from 20% on the heat bar to 80% on the heat bar. It became basically impossible to dissipate heat and I died because I was unable to effectively fire back. On one of the most heat efficient maps on a mech that's heat neutral. I might as well just run an ISXL on everything at this point because there's no difference in effective survivability and I can get more tonnage for weapons and speed.
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Doktorbike, on 12 December 2018 - 08:17 AM, said:
