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#1 NimoStar

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:15 PM

There was an injunction that 'mechs created for MWO were canon in Battletech lore.

If so, where does that leave the Corgi?

It has 3D models, specs, and even an active 'mech page in the MWO official page:
https://mwomercs.com/corgi

Sure, the specs are a bit off. A 12 ton LBX-20 on a 10-ton 'mech? Mixed tech (Clan and IS weapons) before Word of Blake?Beagle Active Probe AND http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Bloodhound_Active_Probe ?


... but the LBX never existed in BT lore in the first place, lets remember. So anything is possible. In theory. Moreso, it was never specifically excluded from any coinsiderations.

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I would say the Corgi is technically a part of BT canon. Just as giant dinosaurs and birdlike aliens.

#2 Koniving

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 03:58 PM

As an April Fool's joke it's as canonical as the Alliance Battlemech.

http://www.sarna.net...nce_(BattleMech)

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 05:01 PM

The Corgi is absolutely not canon. I'm also suspicious of the claim that PGI has 'an injunction' to affect lore without input from CGL, which is effectively the canon keeper.

#4 jjm1

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Posted 19 December 2018 - 11:09 PM

Yes

#5 Jack Shayu Walker

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 05:33 PM

I'm sorry, did you just say LB-X Autocannons aren't canon? Posted Image

#6 Koniving

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:12 PM

View PostJack Shayu Walker, on 20 December 2018 - 05:33 PM, said:

I'm sorry, did you just say LB-X Autocannons aren't canon? Posted Image

I think he was referring to an IS 12 ton LB 20-X autocannon.

Of which there's no such thing.
Its 14 tons.

#7 Koniving

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Posted 20 December 2018 - 09:22 PM

Or at least I hope so.
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(Then again PGI tried to tell me that Rocket Launchers weren't invented until after 3050.)
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Edited by Koniving, 20 December 2018 - 09:25 PM.


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Posted 22 December 2018 - 12:25 PM

1.) The Corgi is a joke 2.) CGL has stated that they cannot use any PGI original mechs because the Battletech Table Top (owed by Topps) and the Mechwarrior PC game (owned by Microsoft) are technically 2 separate properties that only share the same universes (thank FASA for that one) so PGI mechs will never trump CGL lore.

Nothing is stopping fans from creating fan builds of course.

#9 NimoStar

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Posted 26 December 2018 - 06:16 PM

There are things like this which say the stories for hero mechs and so on are cannon, and I had read something to the effect that all PGI original mechs are canon.

https://bg.battletec...p?topic=52440.0

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Original Question: "does your work on MWO and HBS-BT mean the Hero 'Mech fluff...are canonical[" [emphasis mine]
Randall's answer: "For the Hero 'Mechs, absolutely. And that is the intention with the HBS campaign storyline as well."
https://community.ba...ms/threads/1285
"As I mentioned in the other thread, the fiction relating to the MWO Hero BattleMechs are canon. I was making no reference to MWO as a whole."

Given that all MWO mechs have hero variants that would mean PGI originals are canon.

And what I meant that PGI LB-X aren't canon its because of this:

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Taking advantage of advanced materials such as Endo Steel, the company was able to reduce the weight of the weapon for only a slight increase in bulk and mated it with the advanced Mercury-VII targeting system to boost its effective range. The most notable feature of the weapon was its ability to fire both standard HEAP rounds and a specialized anti-'Mech cluster round.[5][6]

http://www.sarna.net...LB-X_Autocannon

So its suppossed to be able to fire normal rounds and be lighter than standard ACs

#10 Bombast

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Posted 27 December 2018 - 06:28 AM

View PostNimoStar, on 26 December 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

There are things like this which say the stories for hero mechs and so on are cannon, and I had read something to the effect that all PGI original mechs are canon.

https://bg.battletec...p?topic=52440.0

Given that all MWO mechs have hero variants that would mean PGI originals are canon.


You are reading so much deeper into that than you should.

The Corgi is a joke mech, and is not canon. It's not even a legal build.

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And what I meant that PGI LB-X aren't canon its because of this:

http://www.sarna.net...LB-X_Autocannon

So its suppossed to be able to fire normal rounds and be lighter than standard ACs


Oh for ***** sake. Engine limitations don't drive canonicity.

#11 NimoStar

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Posted 27 December 2018 - 12:05 PM

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It's not even a legal build.


And the Urbanmech has engines that have negative tonnage...


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Oh for ***** sake. Engine limitations don't drive canonicity.


No, but quite the opposite. The """engine limitations""" make MWO lb-x not like the canon one.

#12 Bombast

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Posted 27 December 2018 - 12:36 PM

View PostNimoStar, on 27 December 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

And the Urbanmech has engines that have negative tonnage...


That's just a consequence of how the MechLab does the tonnage behind the scenes. It doesn't actually have negative weight, it's just a crude way to compensate for PGI not thinking very far ahead when they designed this.

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No, but quite the opposite. The """engine limitations""" make MWO lb-x not like the canon one.


Yes it is. We're just experiencing a shortage of LB-X compliant solid munitions.

Even if we decided the current MWO LB-X (And every single Mechwarrior game LB-X system, actually, unless I'm forgetting something) isn't canon, that doesn't mean the Corgi is ok.

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Posted 28 December 2018 - 12:34 PM

View PostNimoStar, on 26 December 2018 - 06:16 PM, said:

There are things like this which say the stories for hero mechs and so on are cannon, and I had read something to the effect that all PGI original mechs are canon.

https://bg.battletec...p?topic=52440.0

Given that all MWO mechs have hero variants that would mean PGI originals are canon.

And what I meant that PGI LB-X aren't canon its because of this:

http://www.sarna.net...LB-X_Autocannon

So its suppossed to be able to fire normal rounds and be lighter than standard ACs


I know you mean MWO's LB-X isn't like the canonical versions, but neither is the Sarna.net description.

So here's the issue with the Sarna entry.
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All hero mechs that make it into the game are canon.
Corgi is not in game.

Neither is the Titan class mech of 1,000+ tons with a foot the size of an Atlas.
Or the 360 degree engine-less golden Urbanmech mounted on the trailer of a semi with twin AC/20s.
These didn't even get Sarna.net pages, they are clearly jokes.

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This said, Corgi is actually based on something that is canon.
http://www.sarna.net...of_Clan_Spaniel
A cartoon in universe that's a popular kid's TV show.

So don't expect to haul this cartoon mech piloted by a cartoon dog named Pembroke to be fighting in any battles any time soon.

Edited by Koniving, 28 December 2018 - 12:49 PM.


#14 TheSwingingDragon

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Posted 11 January 2019 - 04:37 PM

As others have said - Corgi isn't Canon - it was an April Fools joke, and I own all 3 of the "Corgi mechs,"and they are all a cockpit ornament.

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Posted 23 February 2019 - 06:15 PM

Wait for the urban mech to be re-skined. I'd buy it. And if that doesn't work rumors are mw5 will support mods.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 01:42 AM

View PostNimoStar, on 27 December 2018 - 12:05 PM, said:

And the Urbanmech has engines that have negative tonnage...
Check the battlemech design rules in tabletop. Each mech has ten "free" heat sinks that do not count against its' tonnage (but may need to be placed on the chassis slots if your engine rating is under 250). PGI solved that by subtracting their tonnage from the engine itself.

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Posted 24 February 2019 - 10:42 AM

The heatsinks that come with an engine are weight free as they are, effectively, "part" of the engine. Though the placement on the mech is actually meant to indicate that they are fragile and can be broken. Heatsinks beyond the free ones weigh one ton because of the extra coolant, pipes, additional pump, etc.. It does kinda break logic so it isn't something to think too hard about.

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All "weight free" heatsinks, technically, are only permitted to be mounted in torsos, legs, or the head. They're not supposed to be mounted in arms. Mounting in legs is supposed to reflect a liquid intake that can pump an additional fluid to help cool faster. (They never mention how the water is ejected, so I kinda like to imagine a water jet in the back that spews it in a steamy mess.)

Side note: I recently did a number of scale images. Since we're talking about Urbies.
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(The Asuka is a made up 15 ton Security Mech being designed and talked about in the "You have 5.5 tons" thread.) (MWO heights taken from the MWO Rescale chart at the tallest non-antennae point).
(A general trend in Battletech: Mechs that come with XL engines, DHS, etc... basically "bulky" weight saving equipment... are bigger than non-carriers of such tech. Their height also varies by generation, the Urbie height here is the UM-R60)

Edited by Koniving, 24 February 2019 - 10:52 AM.


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Posted 21 April 2019 - 11:36 PM

In my opinion: yes, due to fact that PGI depicted it as a element of The Adventures of Clan Spaniel, the in-lore cartoon for Clan merchant castes children, which makes sense.





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