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#1 Kalimaster

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Posted 30 May 2019 - 07:56 AM

Here's one to ponder as one guy (whom I have no idea who he was) put a spin on global warming.

Global Warming is caused by cold war weather control experiments that the government screwed up on and is hiding the truth from us. Makes you think.

#2 LordNothing

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Posted 30 May 2019 - 04:54 PM

i thought it was a scam to sell more wind turbines.

#3 CuddlyZebesian

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Posted 30 May 2019 - 06:16 PM

This should explain it all https://youtu.be/f4mb6gzu60U

#4 Karl Streiger

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Posted 30 May 2019 - 10:28 PM

oh well considering that there are experts that believe they can stop global warming by ejecting some kind of aerosol into the stratosphere... (Snow Piercer).... so why not climate changes are a burden fir every modern society.


#5 Lily from animove

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 04:45 AM

Nah, screw all the theories, they get constantly changed.

In ancient times people went over the alps and there was no snow on them, and that was ebfore we did blow all that evil CO2 into athmosphere.

Theories about how mammoth died off:

Ice age took too much habitat,
Humans hunted them
Retreating ice age took their habitat.

Fact is we know they existed when the egypts build their great pyramids. So in the end they existed a good bunch past the major extention of the ice age. And defined wise, we still life in an ice age because we have permanent ice on the polars.
Just be cautious with theories which get utilised by politics to milk people.

Our impact is minor, and it surely less those experiments and stuff. Even our CO2 production is a tiny part, and mostlikely not even an issue. Morelike an issue is cutting down all the rainforest and other forrests because we need CO2 consuments.
Let's just 88mp/h towards a wall and look at timer saying 300million BC

According to our actual known scientific data we had like twice as much CO2 in the athmosphere. and we had like 35% O2 (compared to the todays 21%)
There were effing giant insects in this times because scientists say more O2 more insects. Back then there was no fossile fuels, all that now fossile fuel was just giant sort of plants. And everything was in a nice cycle because plants had loads of Co2 to eat, and loads of O2 to give away.
Average Temperature was also around our current one. So it's surely not the CO2's fault here, because we had more back then. And lot of it went "gone" when it was burried under the earth in form of dead wood.
Now with some basic knowledge about simple cycles one knows why burning those fossiles isn't that bad. What is bad is that we destroyed the healthy cycle by having cut down too many plants to consume the extra CO2 we blow back into athmsphere. And given to think that pseudo nature lovers kind of living CO2 neutral would be established, sooner or later earth would look like a desert because every buried piece of wood or plant would take all the C from the planet and no C is no tree, and no tree is no O2 and then everyone would die eventuelly.
So truly relevant is destruction of nature by pollution and deforestation, as they destroy healthy cycles that established over millions of years. One day we might set up huge Algea farms to not suffocate because once evertyhign is just "farmland" our big Co2 to O2 transformers are simply gone.
nature always change dramatically, huge parts of the eastern sea were flooded with entire settlements being gone. Same in the mediterrean area. That was all ebfore we strted wide "evil" CO2 production. And yeah seal level may rise, simply because it does, and to prepare for this is more important than trying to stop the anyways unstoppable. Even if we would suddenly not produce any CO2 anymore.


#6 Karl Streiger

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Posted 05 June 2019 - 10:15 PM

You can not say that human produced CO2 is not a problem, simple because it is.
The forest even the seas (the seas to a even larger part as the forests) produce O2 but also CO2 - the "extra" Co2 humanity should produce should be the difference between the ability of the "nature" to take the Co2 and the Co2 the nature produce.

Otherwise you have more Co2 - and yes in the history of this world this might not be a issue - when it is a "process" but to compensate nature need to change - this is a progress of centuries or even longer, when you do this **** in only 100 years - the brown will hit the fan - because the nature will not solve the **** as fast as humanity broke things.

Its one of that fatal believes that climate change is not human caused - even if the current weather conditions is not a direct consequence (hardly any spring or fall in central europe) - we still have the issue of Conservation of Energy.

Burning fossil fuels is releasing energy that were "created" by the sun and geological force. Not only do we will run out someday - at least then Humanity will drop into the Stone Age in NoTime - good for the nature. The burning is releasing those energy - and most of that will be turned into heat. Its a tiny tiny tiny tiny thing of sun-light you are releasing there. And even it does not heat anything - that energy can not be lost. Burn billions of tiny tiny tiny bits of sun-light and you must have more energy in the isolated system.

#7 Lily from animove

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Posted 06 June 2019 - 05:51 AM

Earth is not an isolatd system.
The only brown that will hit the fan is mankind's brown, and that of some specialized species. Nature will be fine it went through worse and species going extinct was always part of it. Earth and nature survived already 5 mass extinctions. So nothing that drastic will happen because of us.

Also, we humans have just impact on like 4% on the CO2 of earth, and 96% is by nature. Now you can entirely ignore our impact given that experts aren't even sure if Co2 is 1,2 or 4% of our athmosphere, just who recentely estimated the number activly changes this. And so our tiny impact is much lower than even the difference in these estimated values. So how do they even "proof" our tiny impact is the cause and not their inefficient inprecise estimation? The causality is not proofen yet.

Believe me that climate change everyone tries to make look as bad as possible is not our worst problem. Our problems with how we treat nature in regards of pesticides, insecticides and other truly destructive things. And as said, causality is soo bad in all that Co2 analyses it just hurts.
remember like 15 years ago when they told us about that evil Ozone hole? Many of these theories never happened and we have partially entirely different results now and entirely different knowledge about it. But the wide science all jumped onto that hype train back then. And now instead of doing wide range serious scientific stuff again, most scientists jump onto the hypetrain again, because this is where you get money from. So lets just se how humans will think about the evil CO2 in 20 or 30 years ad if science still has the same knowledge about it, I doubt they will.

I just found something about what I said earlier
http://www.science-s...kgasse/0010011/

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Posted 07 June 2019 - 09:33 PM

it doesn't help that there are propagandists on both sides trying to shove their own version of things down everyone's throat. but i like that alaska is now warmer than the rest of the usa. pretty soon i can plant palm trees and put in a pool. so im cool with it. il be dead before anything major happens. if humanity is destined to burn then it should burn.

Edited by LordNothing, 07 June 2019 - 09:35 PM.


#9 Strength Damage Cliff Racer

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Posted 16 June 2019 - 09:05 AM

Global warming as EoW is a myth.
You see, it all goes from "belief" that climate is constant while it's not and never been. Temperature fluctuates wildly over the years. And history books unfold it.
For example, historical accounts mention Cupressus trees growing normally in Moscow (Which is 55° 45' 13, not the North Pole, but not really Mediterranean sea shores you used to see them on). Or old maps showing Antarctica's more or less precise rock bed lines.

https://en.wikipedia.../Little_Ice_Age

You can, however, throw the BS graph and most of "OMG we are going to die" out the window from the wiki page, the "projections" don't even match historical accounts.
"But what about CO emissions?" you'll ask. Nothing wrong with them. You see, with each tiny raise in CO emissions and local warmth increase, plants start to grow faster, bigger, stronger.This actually slows the warmth increase (Because photosynthesis is endothermic reaction), giving you quite a buffer.

Last, but not least: With every warmth increase micro-organics go more active, resulting in fiercer epidemics taking their toll in lives, human ones included. But modern medicinal system and programs are good at protecting those who can afford them. Most "First World" countries do. Third-worlders, who also responsible for bulk of deforestation, litter problem etc don't. So, you don't even kill anybody, you just let nature sink the teeth in short-sighted ones.

So? All you need to do is to stop voting for people trying to help very distant people you'll get no kickback from. Then blame them for epidemics and vote for closing borders. As for useful ones, pretty much any country got people who track the talented ones. Guess what embassies do other than spying and paperwork?

#10 LordNothing

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 03:45 AM

the world is a massive ball of iron and silicates, its not going anywhere at least until the sun expands to our orbit. or perhaps we have a runin with a rogue black hole or neutron star. perhaps we get really unlucky when the andromeda galaxy merges in to our own. but other than that kind of stuff the world will be here long after we've converted our atmosphere into sulphuric acid and fluorine or someone releases a gene drive that gives humans the sex drive of pandas. and even if that happens some humans would set up underground bunkers and live in those and turn into morlocks while we wait for the sky to clear.

it would be interesting to actually find out we can control our climate, because if we can do it here we can do it elsewhere and terraforming other places is no longer a pipe dream. fusion is coming. i like to think we grossly overestimated the time table on that but even if it takes a hundred years we will have the power supplies necessary to use industry to bend the climate to our will. that's how you jack us up to 1 on the kardashev scale. its very unlikely we will all die out before that happens, besides humans would set up extermination camps before that happens. happy thoughts.

its pointless to freak out about the climate numbers because at the end of the day humans will never change, until they die out or evolve.

as for politics, all our political parties are insane. they are all using pro levels of propaganda straight out of josef goebbels playbook to push an agenda that will alienate so many people as to never be popular.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 June 2019 - 04:03 AM.


#11 Damnedtroll

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Posted 17 June 2019 - 10:44 AM

Climate change all the time. We got higher C02 level in the atmosphere, higher heat and still life continued. The problem right now is the speed of the climate change, never seen that before beside probably with the impact from a large asteroid or massive multiple volcanic eruption. The result is normally mass extinction and starting back on a more or less blank sheet.

We will be messed up quite bad if we continue on the same climate curve.Trying to do something about it is probably the only way to go.

Edited by Damnedtroll, 17 June 2019 - 10:44 AM.


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Posted 17 June 2019 - 04:38 PM

View PostDamnedtroll, on 17 June 2019 - 10:44 AM, said:

Climate change all the time. We got higher C02 level in the atmosphere, higher heat and still life continued. The problem right now is the speed of the climate change, never seen that before beside probably with the impact from a large asteroid or massive multiple volcanic eruption. The result is normally mass extinction and starting back on a more or less blank sheet.

We will be messed up quite bad if we continue on the same climate curve.Trying to do something about it is probably the only way to go.


the thing you need to worry about is rate of change, and even if that is at alarmist levels, its still pretty slow in human terms. the dinosaurs did well with significantly higher carbon levels than we currently have, it took an asteroid to wipe them out. you might want to offload your beachfront property at some point.

Edited by LordNothing, 17 June 2019 - 04:41 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 03:57 PM

View PostLordNothing, on 17 June 2019 - 04:38 PM, said:


the thing you need to worry about is rate of change, and even if that is at alarmist levels, its still pretty slow in human terms. the dinosaurs did well with significantly higher carbon levels than we currently have, it took an asteroid to wipe them out. you might want to offload your beachfront property at some point.


In human term, it's incredibly fast, we had to cope with climate change on a scale of thousands of years in our evolution, now the same change will be in less than a century...

We loss some of our cousin like the neanderthal with thousand of years climate change... imagine what are coming for us : quiet an hard time ahead.

Edited by Damnedtroll, 19 June 2019 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 19 June 2019 - 06:18 PM

View PostDamnedtroll, on 19 June 2019 - 03:57 PM, said:


In human term, it's incredibly fast, we had to cope with climate change on a scale of thousands of years in our evolution, now the same change will be in less than a century...

We loss some of our cousin like the neanderthal with thousand of years climate change... imagine what are coming for us : quiet an hard time ahead.


we lost the neanderthal because we slaughtered them mercilessly. im not entirely sure humans are worthy of becoming a galactic empire. we cant even solve kardashev type 0 civilization problems. we will die and cats will evolve thumbs and take their place as the master race.

Edited by LordNothing, 19 June 2019 - 06:19 PM.


#15 Tordin

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 12:19 PM

Simple all this. Our planet itself and its position in the solar system along with our sun, surely have effects on the climate. But we humans dont make it better with rampant exploitation, filth and total lack of care for the ONE thing we live on.

Both "scientists" that rouse up climate fear to the extreme AND climate deniers should all be trialed for recklessness and dangerous misleading!

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Posted 01 July 2019 - 05:35 PM

the right wing cycles philosophy on the subject leaves out entropy. it sights some scientific facts, but its not science, its philosophy. but that doesnt give value to the left wing "OMFG WERE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" philosophy either. the universe doesnt care about that, it probibly doesnt care at all. its just going to go through its rule book, you know the laws of physics, and do its own thing over the countless eons till the heat death of the universe. those cycles are going to change over time anyway, so it doesnt really matter what we do to the atmosphere, and yes humans are going to die eventually.

best bet is to not put all our eggs in one basket. fusion would make the point moot and we can colonize anything at that point, enabling offworld colonies to take root. then you will have more people on more planets and moons bitching about climate change on their respective spheres until the heat death of the universe or the death of humans whichever comes first.

i also wouldn't blame the scientists too much. they look at their measurements and make their predictions. its when its presented in the media that all the hysteria happens. reporters are total science illiterates with a political agenda. you should really be getting your science news from a science journal.

i should also point out that whoever gets fusion first is going to dominate the globe. iter is being constructed in france, do you really want france to dominate the world?

Edited by LordNothing, 01 July 2019 - 05:55 PM.


#17 Alexandra Hekmatyar

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 06:01 AM

Whenever people talk about climate change it always ends up in something with wind turbines, solar panels and making everyone pay to the gutter.
But I never hear about things that need to be done to survive the new climate they seem to expect.
It's never about building dikes, making them higher, build water reserves, building the houses and so on.

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 11:33 PM

View PostAlexandra Hekmatyar, on 03 July 2019 - 06:01 AM, said:


I never hear about things that need to be done to survive the new climate they seem to expect.


i'm building a mechpod in a 20' container next to my tiny house thing on a couple of acres in the mountains.
i will be self sufficient, zombie proof, and living in a mechwarrior simulator... hopefully soon Posted Image

Edited by BROARL, 03 July 2019 - 11:33 PM.


#19 LordNothing

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Posted 06 July 2019 - 11:26 PM

View PostBROARL, on 03 July 2019 - 11:33 PM, said:


i'm building a mechpod in a 20' container next to my tiny house thing on a couple of acres in the mountains.
i will be self sufficient, zombie proof, and living in a mechwarrior simulator... hopefully soon Posted Image


i have a feeling the mechpocalypse will happen sooner than the zombiepocalypse with the way pgi manages things.

#20 Karl Streiger

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Posted 07 July 2019 - 12:00 PM

View PostLordNothing, on 01 July 2019 - 05:35 PM, said:


i should also point out that whoever gets fusion first is going to dominate the globe. iter is being constructed in france, do you really want france to dominate the world?


well not even fusion is the saviour unless you are able to creat fusion fuel from nothing.
hydrogen is a power transformator. its not ready available. you need energy to produce deuterium or tritium.
as well as chemical fuel is great for power storage. Fuel is nothing different but safed sun-energy.
you should keep this simple equtation in the back of your mind when you are following the debattes. usually politicans and their lobby despise very basic physical principles.

well if it would be me i would try to use solar power projected by metal parabolic devices to heat something like a salt (great thermal energy storage) that could be used to convert "trapped" CO2 from burning fossil fuels back into "clean" Diesel.

so i reliable energy delivery- sun and good chemical storrage and less CO2.





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