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#1 Phoenix 72

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:08 AM

As I was getting frustrated playing the events and the constant losses (0:10 at one point) that come with them, I decided to create a new account and start messing around with some Mechs that I never got around to on this one.

So after doing the Tutorial, on a whim, I bought an Urban Mech. Could not afford to fully kit it out, since I did not have enough money for a new engine, so I dropped with the standard engine. Yup, the 38kph one. On HPG Manifold. In the normal T1 matches, I would have been left alone, caught by the rotation and overrun. But I was out of options money wise, so decided to go for it.

The whole team formed up on its slowest member (me) and slowly escorted me to the front line. The enemy had taken top by now, so we built a firing line on the low ground and pounded every Mech that peeked over the edge. I think we won something like 12:2 or so. That was impressive.

And for some reason, the T5 matches are a good deal more fun than the T1 ones. And it is not because I am doing better. Light Mechs are my weakest class. My MS average is 10% higher on this account than the new Smurf. Just the novelty of not constantly running in circles is already improving my mood. Add to that the lack of toxicity... On a 1:12 loss I heard an "Oh well, we will get them next time!" on voice... All I ever hear in T1 is people slagging off their team.

#2 Koniving

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:45 AM

This was one of the many reasons that when the ELO system started up I quickly realized I wasn't going to be happy with it, and like many I was throttled on it.
So when the tier system came and I was seeded in I went out of my way to have fun in the complete opposite of what Paul said would increase PSR. Team play? Went solo with a prefer to go one on two or three. Quick kills? Dragged them out for fun. Deadly meta? Screw it I've got an AC/2, 3 MGs, an SRM-4 and 2 lasers.
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3 on one? Banshee, Catapult, Firestarter against my Stalker?
Amazing experience.
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And sure, if not for someone coming along to pull that firestarter away, I'd probably be in far worse shape but I stood my ground against 95 and 65 tons under continuous bombardment and took care of them then proceeded to try and undo a base capture.

And from the last time I played.
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(Despite what it says, my FPS during combat is usually around 47)
Years later, still do all the same things for the sake of fun...least when I can find the stomach to play.

My point though is I fought to get reduced to and stay in the "lower" tiers where the game was fun because as has been pointed out... that's where the game is fun. Where meta jar-heads weren't analyzing statistics to see how best to exploit the latest version of ghost heat, where players didn't have the attitude that if you played the game for fun you were 'worthless', that where one could have an opinion without a glance to your stats to say "Oh, that's why", etc. Where I can see someone that thinks they're slick follow behind me as I watch their shadow in the corner of my cockpit and when they least suspect it, jump behind them, wait for 'em to turn around and use CTRL + the mouse to wave to them along with a quickly typed message, "Excuse me, did you have any Grey Poupon?" And actually get a response out of the person before any shots are fired.

...For the record, that Pirate's Bane said "no but i have bacon if you can catch me"

I give the PB some credit for being smart enough to turn off jamming while stalking me; so many forget to do that.
Though were I in tier 1, that encounter would've never happened in the first place.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:59 AM

View PostKoniving, on 23 June 2019 - 02:45 AM, said:

This was one of the many reasons that when the ELO system started up I quickly realized I wasn't going to be happy with it, and like many I was throttled on it.
So when the tier system came and I was seeded in I went out of my way to have fun in the complete opposite of what Paul said would increase PSR. Team play? Went solo with a prefer to go one on two or three. Quick kills? Dragged them out for fun. Deadly meta? Screw it I've got an AC/2, 3 MGs, an SRM-4 and 2 lasers.
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3 on one? Banshee, Catapult, Firestarter against my Stalker?
Amazing experience.
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And sure, if not for someone coming along to pull that firestarter away, I'd probably be in far worse shape but I stood my ground against 95 and 65 tons under continuous bombardment and took care of them then proceeded to try and undo a base capture.

And from the last time I played.
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(Despite what it says, my FPS during combat is usually around 47)
Years later, still do all the same things for the sake of fun...least when I can find the stomach to play.

My point though is I fought to get reduced to and stay in the "lower" tiers where the game was fun because as has been pointed out... that's where the game is fun. Where meta jar-heads weren't analyzing statistics to see how best to exploit the latest version of ghost heat, where players didn't have the attitude that if you played the game for fun you were 'worthless', that where one could have an opinion without a glance to your stats to say "Oh, that's why", etc. Where I can see someone that thinks they're slick follow behind me as I watch their shadow in the corner of my cockpit and when they least suspect it, jump behind them, wait for 'em to turn around and use CTRL + the mouse to wave to them along with a quickly typed message, "Excuse me, did you have any Grey Poupon?" And actually get a response out of the person before any shots are fired.

...For the record, that Pirate's Bane said "no but i have bacon if you can catch me"

I give the PB some credit for being smart enough to turn off jamming while stalking me; so many forget to do that.
Though were I in tier 1, that encounter would've never happened in the first place.


Hahaha.....you made me laugh just now.

Meta jarheads???

You for real man?

I mean, tier 1 mwo has like 90 % complete beginners who not only never played mwo before, ever, but never played any pc/video game in their lifes.

I mean, they do random stuff every match, 30 % suiciding into entire team reds death ball to insta die. Like, every single match. If you think tier 1 has really high end gameplay, with very skilled teams....hahahahaha. I dunno what game youve been playing. But it wasnt mwo man. it wasnt mwo. Mwo's tier 1 is like sc2's woods league. The training league haha. I mean, actually, no. Thats not true.

In sc2 woods league, you actually have ppl that know that building a wall vs early ling rush is a pretty good defensive strat that saves your life. You actually have those ppl in woods league. Like every second or third player I met back then in woods league built a ******* wall. They really did.

in mwos tier 1?

Dwl. Just d w l.

You lterally have like 20 - 30 % of players in each so called tier 1 match, that suicide right into team reds death ball right at start to insta die.

In tier 1.

So, where exactly is the meta jarhead über skilled play in tier 1 haha. You can farm kills and dmg for days and you dont even need any skills whatsoever, as long as youre not completly brainless. Just by not being completly without any brain, youll dominate every single match and win the stats easily almost each time. For the reare occasion that you really do get some strong players in team red, you might only get second or third place.

Seriously, what game have you been playing. Mwos tier 1 is a joke.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:11 AM

Technically I'm tier 3 last I look because eventually all good things come to an end. But riding tier 4 was a lot of fun while it lasted. Surprises. People doing new and weird things. Enemies and allies that take risks or just do the unexpected. A fight north-west of Alpine? A fight across the rooftops of River City (btw, the golf course is still on top of one of the buildings by the sea port though the mini-details are gone). Enemy on top of the crane in River city? Stumble upon 8 mechs in the garage of river city, powering up as you approach to instagib the sucker that came in? Seen it. Enemies at the gas station in Crimson strait waiting for a fillup? Seen it, break-danced with them, and blew each other up. Guy on top of the mountain on Crimson Strait lobbing ATMs at people; yep. Team of four Fleas hiding under the water in Crimson Strait. Seen that too. My favorite is the guy in Terra Therma whom found a way to be 'in the lava' but not 'in the lava', so anyone fighting him was heating up but he wasn't. Thanks to the guy he was standing on, whom evidently perished. So I took the liberty to stand on him, and shoot him.

Facing Tier 5 and tier 3 as Tier 4 really was a lot of fun. Nothing like chasing someone, rounding a corner and they disappeared from sensors, seismic, etc... because they very quickly vaulted onto an invisible wall above you, shut down to hide from your sensors, and as you pass power up, activate and AC/20 to the back.

Miss Raven 4X... Those pilots are creative.

Far as Tier 1, part of the reason you're experiencing that (aside from population decline) is we have a lot of people being told to jump right into the so-called meta, that once they get a number of easy kills, etc., they're tier 2 in under a month (last time I tried it for an experiment it took me about 31 days, a new guy that's been sharing his progress hit tier 1 in about that time).

The fewer matches one has, the faster one can trek from one tier to the next (it's much harder to tank it as one still has to at least try to get reduced in 'skill rating'.)

Unfortunately, either way, it only furthers my point that the higher tiers aren't any fun. Either they run into someone pumping out 70 damage alpha strikes, commit suicide, do something unintentionally stupid, etc..

Far as where are they, give the thread about two days, you'll see one or two of them stroll along.

#5 justcallme A S H

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:38 AM

lol what rubbish did I just read...

#6 crazytimes

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 03:49 AM

Seal clubbing is the expression you are looking for. It seems "fun" because you're familiar with the mechanics and know what you are doing. Its not as much "fun" for the other people involved.


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Posted 23 June 2019 - 04:23 AM

Yeah, but theres no tier above tier 1 and tier 1 is 100 % seal clubbing already. I doubt its even possible for another tier to have more seal clubbing than tier 1.

That just doesnt seem realistic, unless.....

No. Its just not possible.

#8 Phoenix 72

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 04:34 AM

View Postcrazytimes, on 23 June 2019 - 03:49 AM, said:

Seal clubbing is the expression you are looking for. It seems "fun" because you're familiar with the mechanics and know what you are doing. Its not as much "fun" for the other people involved.


Nope. That's not the expression I am looking for. When I play full try hard on my T3 account, which you *might* consider seal clubbing, I average 400-450MS per season.

When I play normally (buying new mechs, skilling them up, doing events), I have been averaging 300-350 MS for the past 8 seasons.

On my currently T4 Smurf account, I currently average 349 MS. It was 310 at the time I typed this post, but I have since started using consumables, which shifted the results up a good bit. I exclusively play Urbies on that account, I have no other Mechs. And the best of them currently has something like 30 skillpoints to its name. This can hardly be called seal clubbing, if I reach the same MS that I do in T1 play. As I said, Lights are my worst class, I am taking the time to practice.

And as I also said, it is the gameplay, not the results that make it so much more enjoyable.

#9 John Bronco

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 04:57 AM

Totally. I'm sure it would be fun to beat up 100 kindergarteners as well.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 06:39 AM

View PostBlaizerP, on 23 June 2019 - 04:57 AM, said:

Totally. I'm sure it would be fun to beat up 100 kindergarteners as well.


I always thought this was a bad analogy, seeing as - unlike kindergardeners - the Mechs in T5 have the same physical attributes as my Mechs do. They are also probably already skilled, unlike my Mechs, so physically speaking, they have the advantage. So my "advantage" in this situation would only be my skill. Which, if you ask the people that have played with me - isn't all that impressive. ;)

So what you mean is probably "I am sure it would be fun for a martial artist to beat up a normal joe." Just being helpful. :P

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 10:24 AM

I've started a number of new accounts over the years and it's always the same: fun and fascinating for a few matches, sad and gross afterwards. Playing a game in god mode is only entertaining for so long, and it's got to be awful for the poor guys getting smashed like that.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 10:30 AM

You should create a new unit, Seal Clubbers United

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:21 AM

Okay... Kubernetes and Nightbird, I checked your stats on Jarls... Using my Urbie's, in T4, I got half your w/l ratio and under half of your k/d.

So obviously, I should not be playing in the same Tier as you two.

So just curious, are you two tired of playing in god mode? Clubbing poor little seals like me?

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:30 AM

View PostDarakor Stormwind, on 23 June 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Okay... Kubernetes and Nightbird, I checked your stats on Jarls... Using my Urbie's, in T4, I got half your w/l ratio and under half of your k/d.

So obviously, I should not be playing in the same Tier as you two.

So just curious, are you two tired of playing in god mode? Clubbing poor little seals like me?

I would imagine this matchmaker and tier discussion has happened a few times already.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:32 AM

View PostDarakor Stormwind, on 23 June 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Okay... Kubernetes and Nightbird, I checked your stats on Jarls... Using my Urbie's, in T4, I got half your w/l ratio and under half of your k/d.

So obviously, I should not be playing in the same Tier as you two.

So just curious, are you two tired of playing in god mode? Clubbing poor little seals like me?


If you checked my stats as you claim, you can see that I don't club seals in QP. I play the minimum number of matches to complete events and that's it.

Also, in every tier, the average W/L will be 1, for obvious reasons.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 11:47 AM

ITT; Koniving shitposts a handful of screenshots from 5 years ago

Also ITT; Koniving admits he throws games on purpose to club seals but is bad at it.

Some people never get tired of stroking it.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 12:01 PM

absolute trash builds? check

assaults capping? check

inability to look down at the bottom of the screen where there is a map that tells you where the enemy is? check

joystick aiming? check

people unable to comprehend that things called UAVs exist?

hides as soon as they see the enemy? check

Oh wait!! I thought we were talking about Tier 1!!

Edited by thievingmagpi, 23 June 2019 - 02:19 PM.


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Posted 23 June 2019 - 12:40 PM

View PostDarakor Stormwind, on 23 June 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Okay... Kubernetes and Nightbird, I checked your stats on Jarls... Using my Urbie's, in T4, I got half your w/l ratio and under half of your k/d.

So obviously, I should not be playing in the same Tier as you two.

So just curious, are you two tired of playing in god mode? Clubbing poor little seals like me?


Do not forget that the stats contain both Solo and Group, though for a number of people going pure solo their stats would only be slightly less.

And true, beating up kindergartens could be seen as a bad analog because it is a little thing vs an adult, wher as in MWO everyone is driving the same type of mechs, the difference is the Mechlab and how to utilize the payload on the battlefield.. Could go a black belt smashing white belts? Green, untrained soldier being ripped by vet, season soldiers in unarmed attacks...?

As fo Koniving, due to his attempt to do the minimal as work around to slow the PSR easy upward mobility, he posts some screen shots of big damage in 'LOWER" tier because he is playing in a field where he is more seasoned than those he is playing against/with, never mind even with some of his payloads, there likely were others on the field with much worst payloads.

Yeah, we have Tiers, and where the PSR upward movement is not difficult for most, so that by the time players gets to Tier 1, for some much quicker than others due to their MS, it could by itself be broken up into its own sub-tiers. Example, some of the posters in this thread would likely reach Tier 1 in a few months (dependent on games played) while others it could take them 9-12 months while running the same amount of games per month. Average 325+ MS vs 200 MS. And remember, MM right not does not take into consideration MS at all, only current Tier level (before criteria is reached to open up tier level - how often and how much does it really happen and during what timeframes) and matching weight class. And I have yet to see the weight classes not match up since PSR had gone live.

And there has not been reseeding (reset) since PSR has gone live, nor has there been any adjustments made to it except new accounts start as Tier 5 instead of the initially set Tier 4. And MM tweaks had been aimed primarily at the criteria of when it opens and the range.

Regardless of the MM, not everyone would be be happy with it. Imho though, MM/PSR needs some major adjustments, in both advancement up the tiers and adding at least one more stat to the MM selection, average MS over X-amount of games.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 01:50 PM

View PostDarakor Stormwind, on 23 June 2019 - 11:21 AM, said:

Okay... Kubernetes and Nightbird, I checked your stats on Jarls... Using my Urbie's, in T4, I got half your w/l ratio and under half of your k/d.

So obviously, I should not be playing in the same Tier as you two.

So just curious, are you two tired of playing in god mode? Clubbing poor little seals like me?


Typically in every match there are 1-3 good players on the other side too. I enjoy finding them and trying to kill them before they kill me. But do I enjoy fighting guys who can't hit me even when I dance in front of them at 100m? No, not really.

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Posted 23 June 2019 - 02:06 PM

View PostTarl Cabot, on 23 June 2019 - 12:40 PM, said:


Do not forget that the stats contain both Solo and Group, though for a number of people going pure solo their stats would only be slightly less.



DING DING DING....

jarls list is more broken then pgi.. Bad math on bad math.. then 3rd person's bad math from bad math..

lol

the stats dont mean **** in this game.. They are broken.. you have a lot of variables with a lot of loose ends

the people who play/exploit the bad math are on top... They die just like the rest: there are a few players who bring A game all the time.. BUT they are often rude and make the game less desirable

the whole psr thing should just be removed.. there should be no segregation at all.. and nothing but solo drop should count: the math changes a lot when the game is used in group





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