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[GuardDogg]

Alienized, on 18 August 2019 - 07:38 AM, said:

well ok you just seem to miss the point in its entire thing.
you include so many other things that shouldnt be here and have no relation to it even.
a picture is not toxic.
you again make things toxic that are not.
so ima end here.

Ah, thought so. Can not answer the questions. "Stats"

But anyways, Take care. Thanks.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 08:19 AM.

[Papaspud]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

I have not. Only standing up for myself on a problem. I was being attacked, trying to calm the issue, but kept being lifted. "You suck", "Stats", "get good", etc
Photo is toxic, not helping.
MWO is to be fun, enjoyable. No one gets to pilot a mech for real (none is out there).
Stats calls people out, and name called and more.
Why shouldn't they be in T1? They earned it. Struggled. That is like how did that guy get his/her drivers license? They passed, live with it.
If you know what facts are. Unless you live in another environment, neither experienced it.

Questions:
1.) Have you been called a hacker/cheater?
2.) Have you been called out on stats in rounds?
3.) Have you heard salting in rounds.
4.) Have heard others bring up stats in rounds, or a discussion.
5.) Seen other bring up stats on a player.
6.) Looked up stats on a player.
7.) Seen players call out a team "stupid, dumb, etc" (I have once, regret it)

If these things bother you, just ignore them- who cares what a bunch of people who I have never met thinks or says....easy to do.

I never call my team dumb at the end of a match.... I always say "good team", then let them figure out if it was sarcasm or not

[Alienized]

Papaspud, on 18 August 2019 - 12:23 PM, said:

If these things bother you, just ignore them- who cares what a bunch of people who I have never met thinks or says....easy to do.

I never call my team dumb at the end of a match.... I always say "good team", then let them figure out if it was sarcasm or not

the thing is, we discussed the MM and PSR and how stats are NEEDED to create a GOOD Matchmaker.
how stats are important for a game to be enjoyable.
outright saying stats are irrelevant in general for everything? well....

also what Kubernetes said
to quote him:

You're new, and that's cool, but most of us here consider it a game and not merely nostalgia.
You also don't seem to understand the point of this "stats" stuff.
Stats are pointed out because there's a small cadre of objectively poor pilots who come here and spread bad advice. Highlighting an advice-giver's objectively poor performance is meant to discredit all the nonsense he's doling out.

You think that highlighting stats is toxic; we think that bad players dispensing bad advice is toxic. How many noobs quit after a short career because they never got better? How many quit because they listened to terribad advice and got slaughtered every match? Which is worse, highlighting someone's bad play, or trying to convince others to play badly? What do you think kills a game faster?

Edited by Alienized, 18 August 2019 - 12:37 PM.

[Papaspud]

Alienized, on 18 August 2019 - 12:35 PM, said:

the thing is, we discussed the MM and PSR and how stats are NEEDED to create a GOOD Matchmaker.
how stats are important for a game to be enjoyable.
outright saying stats are irrelevant in general for everything? well....

also what Kubernetes said
to quote him:

You're new, and that's cool, but most of us here consider it a game and not merely nostalgia.
You also don't seem to understand the point of this "stats" stuff.
Stats are pointed out because there's a small cadre of objectively poor pilots who come here and spread bad advice. Highlighting an advice-giver's objectively poor performance is meant to discredit all the nonsense he's doling out.

You think that highlighting stats is toxic; we think that bad players dispensing bad advice is toxic. How many noobs quit after a short career because they never got better? How many quit because they listened to terribad advice and got slaughtered every match? Which is worse, highlighting someone's bad play, or trying to convince others to play badly? What do you think kills a game faster?

MM is dead, you need to have more people to make it work- it can't find enough people to make a match much less matchmake...... the fact is the game is dying and the need to worry about it and be salty is over- nothing is going to change, enjoy the ride into the sunset.

[Alienized]

Papaspud, on 18 August 2019 - 12:44 PM, said:

MM is dead, you need to have more people to make it work- it can't find enough people to make a match much less matchmake...... the fact is the game is dying and the need to worry about it and be salty is over- nothing is going to change, enjoy the ride into the sunset.

ya we know that, i think everyone does by now but that MM/PSR desaster is simply one of the major reasons why we are HERE.
the second thing just makes it all worse.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 06:54 AM, said:

Lets see.





No one is seeing the problem (toxic) even in the forums. And that is a tiny bit.

So if people don't agree with you or say you are wrong it's toxic.

K, got it.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 07:31 AM, said:

I have not. Only standing up for myself on a problem. I was being attacked, trying to calm the issue, but kept being lifted. "You suck", "Stats", "get good", etc
Photo is toxic, not helping.
MWO is to be fun, enjoyable. No one gets to pilot a mech for real (none is out there).
Stats calls people out, and name called and more.
Why shouldn't they be in T1? They earned it. Struggled. That is like how did that guy get his/her drivers license? They passed, live with it.
If you know what facts are. Unless you live in another environment, neither experienced it.

Questions:
1.) Have you been called a hacker/cheater?
2.) Have you been called out on stats in rounds?
3.) Have you heard salting in rounds.
4.) Have heard others bring up stats in rounds, or a discussion.
5.) Seen other bring up stats on a player.
6.) Looked up stats on a player.
7.) Seen players call out a team "stupid, dumb, etc" (I have once, regret it)

I have highlighted the biggest problem in your thinking above.

Tiers and PSR should work to keep players of similar skill playing together and it should at the very least be able to sort teams out evenly skill wise.

This is one of the main issues that PGI has been unable to address and it makes the game a whole lot less fun for everyone.

Currently people don't earn being into tier one, they simply get there by playing. And while we've had no choice but to live with it, it is one of the biggest problems with the game. Like it or not, it is a legitimate grip with the game that is constantly brought up over and over because it leads to unfun stuff like stomps.

Answers:
1. Yes, and I take it as a complement.
2. Yes, then I got better.
3. Yes the truck has driven by during winter taking care of the roads, I've heard it.
4. Um, yeah stupid question.
5. Again, clearly since it has happened in this thread. You still have not shown anything that makes that wrong or toxic in of itself.
6. Yes. Some guy says he's averaging 600 damage a game but has an avg. ms of under 200 is full of it. It lets me know to ignore what he is saying if they can't be honest with themselves or others.
7. Um, yeah in every game I have played online and when playing organised sports.

The facts are again, stats are a part of the game and are not toxic. You refuse to grasp that toxic players will be toxic stats or no stats.

There is a huge difference between telling someone they suck because of bad stats, and pointing out that stats don't agree with what they are saying.

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 01:28 PM, said:

I have highlighted the biggest problem in your thinking above.

Tiers and PSR should work to keep players of similar skill playing together and it should at the very least be able to sort teams out evenly skill wise.

This is one of the main issues that PGI has been unable to address and it makes the game a whole lot less fun for everyone.

Currently people don't earn being into tier one, they simply get there by playing. And while we've had no choice but to live with it, it is one of the biggest problems with the game. Like it or not, it is a legitimate grip with the game that is constantly brought up over and over because it leads to unfun stuff like stomps.

Answers:
1. Yes, and I take it as a complement.
2. Yes, then I got better.
3. Yes the truck has driven by during winter taking care of the roads, I've heard it.
4. Um, yeah stupid question.
5. Again, clearly since it has happened in this thread. You still have not shown anything that makes that wrong or toxic in of itself.
6. Yes. Some guy says he's averaging 600 damage a game but has an avg. ms of under 200 is full of it. It lets me know to ignore what he is saying if they can't be honest with themselves or others.
7. Um, yeah in every game I have played online and when playing organised sports.

The facts are again, stats are a part of the game and are not toxic. You refuse to grasp that toxic players will be toxic stats or no stats.

There is a huge difference between telling someone they suck because of bad stats, and pointing out that stats don't agree with what they are saying.

Calling me back. (even if it goes 1000+ pages)

So, you are lying.

4.) Not stupid, and top stat players have done so. They done it to me. They done it on other threads. They done it to other players, and I have seen it on Twitch. Seen it on other forums. Top stat pilots calling other pilots names behind their backs. Calling all pilots stupid, and all other names. "They are all stupid, etc". This is coming from top stat pilots.

Stop being so hypocritical on the problem.

Tier pilots worked hard playing much of they can to get much to that Tier. It is a rank. Stats is not a rank, it is a place to mock, insult others. You can be in T3 or even T2, and near top of Stats to moch others "You suck"

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 02:35 PM.

[Prototelis]

Tiers are not ranks; they are not earned.

Even without stats active players would learn who you are.

Its a competitive game; if you don't like competitive games don't play them.

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 18 August 2019 - 02:27 PM, said:

Tiers are not ranks; they are not earned.

Even without stats active players would learn who you are.

Its a competitive game; if you don't like competitive games don't play them.

Tiers are not secretly earned. MWO is multiplayer only, and pilots have earned em playing with others up the ranks. When Tiers came out, in the first week. Some players made it in one day or a few. That is questionable. Then you get a majority working their way to T1 with a struggle from T5. I myself was in T3, then slid down back to T4. Slacking off, or the constant losing streaks. Then move back up. I put a lot of effort to get to T1, and it wasn't easy.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 02:43 PM.

[Prototelis]

lol, PSR goes up almost no matter what you do.

Tiers are not earned; they're given.

The fact that it took so long for you to fall up should tell you that you're doing something wrong. But you'd like to hide stats so you can pretend to be an expert level player.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 02:17 PM, said:

Calling me back. (even if it goes 1000+ pages)

So, you are lying.

4.) Not stupid, and top stat players have done so. They done it to me. They done it on other threads. They done it to other players, and I have seen it on Twitch. Seen it on other forums. Top stat pilots calling other pilots names behind their backs. Calling all pilots stupid, and all other names. "They are all stupid, etc". This is coming from top stat pilots.

Stop being so hypocritical on the problem.

Tier pilots worked hard playing much of they can to get much to that Tier. It is a rank. Stats is not a rank, it is a place to mock, insult others. You can be in T3 or even T2, and near top of Stats to moch others "You suck"

Lying about what? Calling me back? FFS that sentence doesn't make any sense.

And absolutely the 4th question is stupid because it is obvious and you still are failing to grasp that toxic players will be toxic period. Stats don't make people toxic and you need to get that through your head.

Stop being so hypocritical on the problem... another clear case of you not understanding the words you are using.

What is really ironic though is you resorting to calling people liars and using words like hypocritical poorly in a sentence because they say you are wrong and have nothing to back your argument in the slightest. You my friend have rooted yourself well into being the toxic one.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 02:41 PM, said:

Tiers are not secretly earned. MWO is multiplayer only, and pilots have earned em playing with others up the ranks. When Tiers came out, in the first week. Some players made it in one day or a few. That is questionable. Then you get a majority working their way to T1 with a struggle from T5. I myself was in T3, then slid down back to T4. Slacking off, or the constant losing streaks. Then move back up. I put a lot of effort to get to T1, and it wasn't easy.

But you didn't put a lot of effort and the point of tiers absolutely should be to help make balanced matches. You didn't earn your way into tier one in any way. You failed upwards.

[GuardDogg]

Prototelis, on 18 August 2019 - 02:45 PM, said:

lol, PSR goes up almost no matter what you do.

Tiers are not earned; they're given.

The fact that it took so long for you to fall up should tell you that you're doing something wrong. But you'd like to hide stats so you can pretend to be an expert level player.

What do you have to say about the players who reach T1 in a few days after it was implemented in MWO?

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 03:02 PM, said:

But you didn't put a lot of effort and the point of tiers absolutely should be to help make balanced matches. You didn't earn your way into tier one in any way. You failed upwards.

K, stop being Toxic. Move along or be nice.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 03:09 PM.

[Prototelis]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 03:09 PM, said:

What do you have to say about the players who reach T1 in a few days after it was implemented in MWO?

Tiers were seeded when first introduced.

On my alt I made tier 3 within the first 25 games playing derpy things.

I don't know what the threshold is, but the first dozen or so games will move you up much faster.

Edited by Prototelis, 18 August 2019 - 03:17 PM.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 03:09 PM, said:

What do you have to say about the players who reach T1 in a few days after it was implemented in MWO?



K, stop being Toxic. Move along or be nice.

LOL.

You sir are the one calling names because you are struggling to understand what is being said to you.

It's you that are toxic here. Accept that you are wrong or simply cannot provide anything solid to back you interpretation and claims.

[Prototelis]

Whole argument seems to rest on tiers actually meaning something; its been proven many times that tiers are meaningless in this game.

[GuardDogg]

Feral Clown, on 18 August 2019 - 03:17 PM, said:

LOL.

You sir are the one calling names because you are struggling to understand what is being said to you.

It's you that are toxic here. Accept that you are wrong or simply cannot provide anything solid to back you interpretation and claims.

Tell me what names I called you, other than a lair. You have proven your point across, but not to me. I have seen your toxicity and it been brought up before I made a reply. Now, if you think you are a nice guy. Prove it, change it. Or move along.

Edited by GuardDogg, 18 August 2019 - 03:27 PM.

[Feral Clown]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 03:26 PM, said:

Tell me what names I called you, other than a lair. You have proven your point across, but not to me. I have seen your toxicity and it been brought up before I made a reply. Now, if you think you are a nice guy. Prove it, change it. Or move along.

LOL...WOW JUST WOW. Calling people liars for not agreeing with your false argument is name calling, how do you not get that? Calling people hypocrites because they don't agree with what you are saying is name calling, again how is this slipping past you?

And you can **** right off telling me anything or to move along.

Get it through your head that saying something you don't like or can't accept or understand is not toxic.

[Papaspud]

GuardDogg, on 18 August 2019 - 03:09 PM, said:

What do you have to say about the players who reach T1 in a few days after it was implemented in MWO?



K, stop being Toxic. Move along or be nice.

I was already maxed out tier 1 the day it was implemented before I ever played a game...I was never anything else... and I'm sure there were many, many more than me.