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[Admiral_Korean_Jesus]

Remember folks, this game will soon be selling out to government run Chinese investment companies in the form of your very own MW5 epic games store exclusive. Don't forget to let our oppressive Chinese overlords know how we feel:

‘Liberate Hong Kong. Revolution of our age!

[Red Potato Standing By]

Partner you can’t go in to a store and not support China in some form or other westerners like cheap prices too much.

[Spheroid]

Yemen > Kurdistan > Hong Kong.

[Dimento Graven]

I have a hard time fearing Chian's "military might" when the same ****** companies that build a pair of vice grips that explode upon first use, or provide a "hardened steel" pad lock that I can destroy with my bare hands, are the SAME companies building China's weapons...

I fear using any tool or work related device manufactured in China. It's dangerous with the incredible failure rate I've encountered.

I'm just annoyed that the Chinese government have taken a culture that has historically been incredible innovators and instead converted them over to idea thieving sniveling twits.

Edited by Dimento Graven, 12 October 2019 - 07:52 AM.

[Nesutizale]

[Anomalocaris]

Dimento Graven, on 12 October 2019 - 07:51 AM, said:

I have a hard time fearing Chian's "military might" when the same ****** companies that build a pair of vice grips that explode upon first use, or provide a "hardened steel" pad lock that I can destroy with my bare hands, are the SAME companies building China's weapons...

I fear using any tool or work related device manufactured in China. It's dangerous with the incredible failure rate I've encountered.

I'm just annoyed that the Chinese government have taken a culture that has historically been incredible innovators and instead converted them over to idea thieving sniveling twits.

+1 on this one. The failure rate we see with many Chinese made parts in my industry is astounding. It's not necessarily instant failure, but a useful life an order of magnitude shorter than what it should be.

But make no mistake, while there is a lot of crap coming out of China, it's because demanding ridiculously cheap prices gets you crap. There are good products coming out of China, but they'll cost you, and of course they are far outnumbered by the garbage (and contaminated stuff, etc.).

As for Hong Kong, I wish all those there the best, but really their fate was sealed the day the Brits handed it over to China. I know many stayed hoping that their example of industry, free market economics and general personal freedoms would inspire many in mainland China to follow their lead over the 50 years they were given. But as it stands right now, the CCP is too powerful. Hoping that something changes, but I'm not optimistic.

[Admiral_Korean_Jesus]

Red Potato Standing By, on 12 October 2019 - 07:07 AM, said:

Partner you can’t go in to a store and not support China in some form or other westerners like cheap prices too much.

Trade of good and products are fine. But actively and illegally using their foreign investments to spy, steal, and spread their influence is systematically dystopian in nature. Then you have companies like PGI, Blizzard etc. willingly eager to bend their knee to them just to make a quick buck. So yeah, your reasoning is bit short sighted there.

[Nesutizale]

China didn't need to spy, western industries where handing them everything on a silver tablet. China just took what was given them in exchange for cheap labor so we could get cheaper products and companies more money.

Also western companies forgot chinas trade traditions. Foreigners are not protected while internaly they handel things with a "I scratch your back you scratch mine" mentality. We basicly stormed into a room where we where not welcome. All out of greed.
Now china has the power and learned very quickly from the western companies in how to do things...or to loosely quote one of the welthiest chinese "I just do what you tought me. What baffles me how you seam to have forgotten everything"

As for PGI bowing...haven't seen that so far. Also it would be nice to know their stand on how they see free speach in MWO.

As for Blizzard, its a mixed back of greed and self presevation. They have invested so much into the chinese market that its hard to continue without them.

Also Riot, a company 100% Tencent owned, has stated that they will not hinder peoples free speech. How does that fit into your world view?

Here are more things at work then just one sided views or interestes.

Edited by Nesutizale, 12 October 2019 - 02:04 PM.

[Vxheous]

[Anomalocaris]

Nesutizale, on 12 October 2019 - 02:02 PM, said:

Also Riot, a company 100% Tencent owned, has stated that they will not hinder peoples free speech. How does that fit into your world view?

Here are more things at work then just one sided views or interestes.

Riot just said they expect people to stay away from controversial topics at LoL tournaments. Go figure...

[Mystere]

Anomalocaris, on 12 October 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

But make no mistake, while there is a lot of crap coming out of China, it's because demanding ridiculously cheap prices gets you crap. There are good products coming out of China, but they'll cost you, and of course they are far outnumbered by the garbage (and contaminated stuff, etc.).

They key, as it has always been regardless of where a product is made, is buying for quality and not because something is cheap. The old adage -- You get what you pat for -- is still very much true.

Anomalocaris, on 12 October 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

As for Hong Kong, I wish all those there the best, but really their fate was sealed the day the Brits handed it over to China. I know many stayed hoping that their example of industry, free market economics and general personal freedoms would inspire many in mainland China to follow their lead over the 50 years they were given. But as it stands right now, the CCP is too powerful. Hoping that something changes, but I'm not optimistic.

In the grand scheme of all thing China, Hong Kong's significance has been overshadowed by Shanghai and other cities.

And if the violence does not stop, the tanks will roll in and literally crush all opposition.

Edited by Mystere, 12 October 2019 - 04:49 PM.

[Mystere]

Admiral_Korean_Jesus, on 12 October 2019 - 01:41 PM, said:

Trade of good and products are fine. But actively and illegally using their foreign investments to spy, steal, and spread their influence is systematically dystopian in nature.

Who do you think was being accused of large-scale industrial espionage during the late 18th to the 19th century? It's the same country that has also been aggressively "spreading their influence" once the 20th century had set in.[/color]

Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea were at certain points in history also accused of producing cheap knockoffs.

China is doing what other "rich" countries had already done at one time or another.

Edited by Mystere, 12 October 2019 - 04:55 PM.

[Anomalocaris]

Relativism vis-a-vis China is hard pressed to make a dent. China has killed 10 of millions of its own people and has built a surveillance and control state that the world has never seen the likes of. They harvest organs from non-death sentence prisoners and make social pariahs of those who don't obey. Anything they get smacked on, all good.

[Wing 0]

All I can say is this. F--K China. Their Government can rot in hell. They can either Learn to get with the times or perish.

[MW Waldorf Statler]

Anomalocaris, on 12 October 2019 - 05:17 PM, said:

Relativism vis-a-vis China is hard pressed to make a dent. China has killed 10 of millions of its own people and has built a surveillance and control state that the world has never seen the likes of. They harvest organs from non-death sentence prisoners and make social pariahs of those who don't obey. Anything they get smacked on, all good.

how many own people and Natives has killed the USA ?! what was with all the Riots in the USA like the new York Riot 1861? Civil war ? the Violence against American Natives...Asians...Mexicans...Irishs...the Johnson County war ...Lincoln County war ? USA Culture is Each against Each

and NSA, CIA, FAcebook all in China ????China fight in Iraqce, Afghanistan ,pay Bandit Drugs Cartells in South and latin America Money for a bloody War for American interests...Chile...Nicaragua

Edited by MW Waldorf Statler, 12 October 2019 - 09:39 PM.

[Anjian]

Anomalocaris, on 12 October 2019 - 10:42 AM, said:

+1 on this one. The failure rate we see with many Chinese made parts in my industry is astounding. It's not necessarily instant failure, but a useful life an order of magnitude shorter than what it should be.

But make no mistake, while there is a lot of crap coming out of China, it's because demanding ridiculously cheap prices gets you crap. There are good products coming out of China, but they'll cost you, and of course they are far outnumbered by the garbage (and contaminated stuff, etc.).

As for Hong Kong, I wish all those there the best, but really their fate was sealed the day the Brits handed it over to China. I know many stayed hoping that their example of industry, free market economics and general personal freedoms would inspire many in mainland China to follow their lead over the 50 years they were given. But as it stands right now, the CCP is too powerful. Hoping that something changes, but I'm not optimistic.

Hong Kong has turned irrelevant. It now accounts only for 2% to 3% of the Chinese GDP when decades ago, they accounted for 30 to 40%. So HK people for a while felt superior over the mainland Chinese. Now its the reverse. Shenzhen alone has a GDP greater than Hong Kong.

https://www.scmp.com...first-time-2018

Industry, free market economics and personal freedoms apparently doesn't work when you don't invest research and development. All countries know this even and especially in the US which is why you have plenty of government, institutional, and military driven research and development that sips down to the private sector.

Shenzhen invests about 4% of its GDP while Hong Kong invests only 0.8%. 4% is incredible when you think the whole of the US invests about 2.84% of its GDP in R/D and Japan invests about 3.5%.

https://www.usnews.c...and-development

With all the R&D in Shenzhen, there is a brain drain happening from Hong Kong to the Greater South China area.

https://hongkongvisa...cy-development/

Oh and tanks are not going to roll into Hong Kong. Because for the very reason that HK has become irrelevant. It would be better for Xi to isolate Hong Kong and let it economically rot to serve as an example for other Chinese cities, as proof that Hong Kong's economic model doesn't work while the Shenzhen-Beijing-Shanghai models work. Ironically, the Shenzhen model has a lot more to do with the Singapore model of Lee Kuan Yew or the rising economic models of South Korea during the Park years and Taiwan during the KMT years. Hong Kong's economic model also suffers from the oligopoly of HK's tycoons controlling the real estate prices.

https://www.scmp.com...-chip-away-hong

[Anomalocaris]

MW Waldorf Statler, on 12 October 2019 - 09:36 PM, said:

how many own people and Natives has killed the USA ?! what was with all the Riots in the USA like the new York Riot 1861? Civil war ? the Violence against American Natives...Asians...Mexicans...Irishs...the Johnson County war ...Lincoln County war ? USA Culture is Each against Each

and NSA, CIA, FAcebook all in China ????China fight in Iraqce, Afghanistan ,pay Bandit Drugs Cartells in South and latin America Money for a bloody War for American interests...Chile...Nicaragua

Again with the relativism b.s. Socialism/Communism kills. Over 100 million at a minimum in the 20th century. Mao himself wrote that he thought up to 50 million of his own people would need to be killed to complete his transformation of China. 10's of millions were starved thanks to communist policies. Millions of Uigher Muslims remain in "re-education" camps today. And Falun Gong religious members are incarcerated for their beliefs.

China has a huge market for organ transplants despite the fact that almost no one there is a voluntary donor. They claim the organs come from executed prisoners, but the number of organs available exceeds the number of published executions by 10:1. Waiting times for a kidney can be just days while in countries with high donor rates and a robust transplant network (like the US) wait times can be over a year. Political prisoners in China (or prisoners of conscience like the Falun Gong) are given complex medical exams consistent with genetic typing for organ transplants while none of their other health issues are fixed. They're basically just living cattle until someone with a genetic match needs an organ.

Incarceration for religious reasons, killing prisoners for organ transplants, starving your own people, planning to kill tens of millions to transform your country. These things are _evil_.

Hong Kong is the only beacon of true freedom in the Chinese Hegemony and the CCP wants to stamp it out. As I said, their fate was sealed when the British handed it over, but that doesn't mean it isn't sad or tragic.

[Vxheous]

Anjian, on 12 October 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Oh and tanks are not going to roll into Hong Kong. Because for the very reason that HK has become irrelevant. It would be better for Xi to isolate Hong Kong and let it economically rot to serve as an example for other Chinese cities, as proof that Hong Kong's economic model doesn't work while the Shenzhen-Beijing-Shanghai models work. Ironically, the Shenzhen model has a lot more to do with the Singapore model of Lee Kuan Yew or the rising economic models of South Korea during the Park years and Taiwan during the KMT years. Hong Kong's economic model also suffers from the oligopoly of HK's tycoons controlling the real estate prices.

The CCP still uses Hong Kong as their primary money laundering site

[Nightbird]

I visited HK a few years ago, was pretty nice and modern, but the people were rude.

HK will never be free, since they don't have guns.

[Mystere]

Anjian, on 12 October 2019 - 09:50 PM, said:

Oh and tanks are not going to roll into Hong Kong ...

That may just be wishful thinking now. I guess we shall see, and probably sooner rather than later.