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[dario03]

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 12:51 PM, said:

MWO is about numbers (points, match score). Knowing exactly where the apposing team is going to be. At the end of match some players look at their chart, even laugh, embarrass others. Players can go in days of losing streaks, due to bad teams. Not their fault. Their is no Mech pilot skill in the rounds. Skilled Mech Pilots who think of battle, scout, give intel, survival, pilot the mech, manipulate enemy, tactical. Look at the battlefield. How to function together with a team mate(s), ambush, take on two+ other mechs same time, without calling for help. Can not do those in MWO. In MWO, Going center, nascar is not Mech pilot skill. It is how to get in position (ball up, no formation) and hitting targets for points, hoping you survive. And that is why all game types are not the game types. All game types are skirmish, and conquest go theta. Their is no mech pilot skills in them. None. Why I suck so bad in MWO, will never get streaks of 600-1000 match scores. Not that selfish. So, the players who think of numbers, get high match scores, are at top for MWO. They are called the best gurus for MWO. Chase new players and formal players away. Two-Three minute rounds. If they were to take their skills to a real (real life) combat. They would only last about a minute.

How does any of that make moving down in tier easier than before a bad thing? The game doesn't kick you out if you get to T5, it just makes it more likely that you play with other players around your level.

[Papaspud]

Novakaine, on 15 July 2020 - 09:18 PM, said:

Seriously man what is wrong with you?
Maybe it not in your nature to be decent.
I just relayed something that happen and ask a simple question.
I feel sorry for people like you.

Woah....woah....I was just making a joke.......

[GuardDogg]

dario03, on 16 July 2020 - 02:04 PM, said:

How does any of that make moving down in tier easier than before a bad thing? The game doesn't kick you out if you get to T5, it just makes it more likely that you play with other players around your level.

Wrote a post way before how bad the PSR is now. Stats/PSR is not good for players in MWO. In 2-3 minute rounds. Can chase away players. Make salty pilots and more. Seen it, and it isn't healthy, and not fun. Should be no ones business. Got turned into another subject. Apologize in that. Today was in teams that stomped the apposing team again. They had discos, and then they get pulled down tiers because of faulty matches. Not their fault. And I am sure some got pulled down that were in my team.

Edited by GuardDogg, 16 July 2020 - 02:34 PM.

[cougurt]

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Wrote a post way before how bad the PSR is now. Stats/PSR is not good for players in MWO. In 2-3 minute rounds. Can chase away players. Make salty pilots and more. Seen it, and it isn't healthy, and not fun. Should be no ones business. Got turned into another subject. Apologize in that. Today was in teams that stomped the apposing team again. They had discos, and then they get pulled down tiers because of faulty matches. Not their fault. And I am sure some got pulled down that were in my team.

everyone has to deal with DCs/AFKs, it's not unfair in the slightest. you're talking complete nonsense as usual.

[Novakaine]

Kool.

[dario03]

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Wrote a post way before how bad the PSR is now. Stats/PSR is not good for players in MWO. In 2-3 minute rounds. Can chase away players. Make salty pilots and more. Seen it, and it isn't healthy, and not fun. Should be no ones business. Got turned into another subject. Apologize in that. Today was in teams that stomped the apposing team again. They had discos, and then they get pulled down tiers because of faulty matches. Not their fault. And I am sure some got pulled down that were in my team.

If you want to say that stats should be private because of those concerns then that's fine. I don't agree and I think you are over inflating the issues but I can at least see the reasoning.
I don't see the reasoning behind players more easily moving down in tiers being a bad thing though. You might have issues out of your control here and there cost you some psr points but over time it should work out at least some what. Discos in matches won't be the main reason someone ends up going down to T4 or T5.

[VonBruinwald]

cougurt, on 16 July 2020 - 04:15 PM, said:

everyone has to deal with DCs/AFKs, it's not unfair in the slightest.

It's not like people complain about the free damage/kill when the DC is on the other team:

Nobody ever said:

It's totally unfair when the enemy has a DC/AFK, I end up with extra damage and a free kill.

[Tarl Cabot]

Jman5, on 16 July 2020 - 12:17 PM, said:

I made a spreadsheet to test the numbers Paul provided and it does work as he described it as far as I can tell. I believe when you see those break-even indicators you are not actually breaking even. What is happening is that indicator is either rounding down or rounding to the nearest whole number. So if your PSR move lies between -0.4 to +0.4 you will see the "=" icon.

You are still moving up or down because everything is zero sum, but it's negligible.

I thought that too when comparing some of my matches, but then I started getting the break even the values werent even under 1.0 but were -6.4, -7.2, -4.8. I should have noted that. There are a few others I have to check.

With that said, it would not surprise me if a few of those in the middle of pack are being moved but because they are in the middle, PGI didnt replace the equal size but said player range with the minimum of movement. But then there is the possibility that PGI frak up the formulary somewhere, since we do not see the actual movement amount.

Edited by Tarl Cabot, 16 July 2020 - 06:24 PM.

[GuardDogg]

dario03, on 16 July 2020 - 05:54 PM, said:

If you want to say that stats should be private because of those concerns then that's fine. I don't agree and I think you are over inflating the issues but I can at least see the reasoning.
I don't see the reasoning behind players more easily moving down in tiers being a bad thing though. You might have issues out of your control here and there cost you some psr points but over time it should work out at least some what. Discos in matches won't be the main reason someone ends up going down to T4 or T5.

I have told people. If you can not grasp the knowledge now. You will get it later. You will wake up one day..."omg! I get it now!" Happens a lot to every body, all aspects in life. In MWO your either into points/Match scores that is all your concerned about, other being a true mech pilot. Everyone was looking forward to the reset (not me). They got their reset with a unhealthy PSR, helping damage the status life of MWO. For me it an observation (like watching mice in a maze, taking notes). This new PSR, will chase a lot of players away. The only people who are going to play this at the end are those who are concerned at Match scores, the T1 players (They can do it, like playing Pac-man. Knowing what to do). Every one else will leave. New players will in a week. No body will be around. One week T1 players will move down to T2. And they will say "wtf?". Give a month or two. Will be lots of angry players. Stats are not good for MWO at all. 2-3/4 minute rounds, and unfair teams.

Edited by GuardDogg, 16 July 2020 - 10:19 PM.

[Biomechtric]

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Wrote a post way before how bad the PSR is now. Stats/PSR is not good for players in MWO. In 2-3 minute rounds. Can chase away players. Make salty pilots and more. Seen it, and it isn't healthy, and not fun. Should be no ones business. Got turned into another subject. Apologize in that. Today was in teams that stomped the apposing team again. They had discos, and then they get pulled down tiers because of faulty matches. Not their fault. And I am sure some got pulled down that were in my team.

I am struggling with what you are saying. On the one hand you seem to be saying that having any kind of skill rating is bad & yet on the other hand you are saying that you don't like the game because of stomps & facing top tier pilots.
You do realise that without rating individual pilots skill that you would then be left playing against the pilots you seem to harbour so much of a dislike for all the time as there is no way to separate them otherwise.
Now lets flip it from your concerns to those of the top pilots. Why would they want to play against low skill players all the time? Your assumptions aside regarding us all as being evil stat shamers that only want to seal club(not true about the majority, prove it otherwise if you are going to continue YOUR shaming of them) are just that, assumptions. You don't know what people are thinking or how they are as morally, you may well have had someone say something regarding your play\skill but it is not happening every match or even very often is it(proof)? & if it is then why you & not (cos even us 2%ers have them)me in my bad matches? again, do you not want to get away from them? because that is what is being attempted with the PSR changes.

Sorry for my confusion in this but I just can't get my head around this.

[GuardDogg]

Biomechtric, on 16 July 2020 - 11:15 PM, said:

I am struggling with what you are saying. On the one hand you seem to be saying that having any kind of skill rating is bad & yet on the other hand you are saying that you don't like the game because of stomps & facing top tier pilots.
You do realise that without rating individual pilots skill that you would then be left playing against the pilots you seem to harbour so much of a dislike for all the time as there is no way to separate them otherwise.
Now lets flip it from your concerns to those of the top pilots. Why would they want to play against low skill players all the time? Your assumptions aside regarding us all as being evil stat shamers that only want to seal club(not true about the majority, prove it otherwise if you are going to continue YOUR shaming of them) are just that, assumptions. You don't know what people are thinking or how they are as morally, you may well have had someone say something regarding your play\skill but it is not happening every match or even very often is it(proof)? & if it is then why you & not (cos even us 2%ers have them)me in my bad matches? again, do you not want to get away from them? because that is what is being attempted with the PSR changes.

Sorry for my confusion in this but I just can't get my head around this.

Yeah. You will not grasp it now. In a few months you will. I watch a few rounds tonight and hearing em (T1 pilots, playing with other T1's) chat (yelling). "They reset the PSR and all these big names are doing the same things as before. These are suppose to be T1, top players. It doesn't make sense! Like F-U! top names.". I am like (to myself) "yup." Like they say "The higher the Tier, the faster the nascar, and the more salt." They have no mech pilot skills. None. But wow, they can get high match score numbers. And they are good at it.

Edited by GuardDogg, 17 July 2020 - 12:27 AM.

[Biomechtric]

GuardDogg, on 17 July 2020 - 12:17 AM, said:

Yeah. You will not grasp it now. In a few months you will. I watch a few rounds tonight and hearing em (T1 pilots, playing with other T1's) chat (yelling). "They reset the PSR and all these big names are doing the same things as before. These are suppose to be T1, top players. It doesn't make sense! Like F-U! top names.". I am like (to myself) "yup." Like they say "The higher the Tier, the faster the nascar, and the more salt." They have no mech pilot skills. None. But wow, they can get high match score numbers. And they are good at it.

What exactly am I trying to grasp? that's what I'm asking, what is the 'it' I know nothing about after playing this game for almost 5 years?
I'm sorry that MWO doesn't play the way you want it to(like MW4 from what you have said previously) but it is a different game from a different developer that chose a different path for THEIR game.
The top tier players are getting big matchscores & winning because they have worked out the best ways to do it & as they are usually of a more competitive nature than the lower skilled players they use this to, you know, win games.
I really am sorry that MWO causes you so much strife & may I suggest that maybe it's not the game for you & you should go back to MW4 where you obviously feel more comfortable with how the game plays. It sucks to lose any players but In my opinion, if it's that bad & I have the option then why not walk away. 'No point in flogging a dead horse' as the saying goes.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

This is just GuardDogg's personal vendetta against stats and people that are better at a game than them, all over again.

[General Solo]

Papaspud, on 16 July 2020 - 02:11 PM, said:

Woah....woah....I was just making a joke.......

He's a Lerm addict, they can be sensitive.

[Ignatius Audene]

Come on. Put together a team of your so "called good teamwork true mechwarrior"and just bring it. Shure we will find some of this "ms farmers", that have no chance against your teamwork...

If u don't like ms look at w/l and u will realise, that the players with high avg. ms have high w/l as well. Maybe there is a connection?

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 15 July 2020 - 09:08 PM, said:

But it isn't fair for those who have bad rounds when it isn't there fault, specially with disconnects that do return to late.

Sometimes you get the disco, sometimes the other side does. This is not the matchmaker's fault, and in the current PSR scheme you can still be rewarded with a PSR increase if you do well on a loss.

Aidan Crenshaw, on 15 July 2020 - 09:50 PM, said:

So yes, you can undo several minimal raises in a single fumble

Which is as it should have always been.

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 10:35 AM, said:

They are not really skilled MechWarrior Pilots. True skilled pilots are taking mechs into Combat. Thinking tactical, maneuvers, patience, formations and to manipulate the enemy. Even team work. Can not do that much in QP.

Can do it in QP and I see it done regularly.

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

Fully agree. Advanced tactics in MWO really doesn't do well for anyone. Just think I used to be a Mech pilot instructor in MW4, and all those Mech pilot skills I still keep today, is not easy to let go. In MW4, they did great even for those I trained. Although costs me a lot in MWO, I can now see why. And I will never let go.

MWO is not MW4. It is a different game, requiring a different approach. Until you adapt to that, you will keep having bad time in the game.

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 11:36 AM, said:

And there you go. Looking at the FN stats. (Embarrassing). Why people hate it specially for MWO. Getting judged and more.

No.
The reality is that that 98% of players don't manage a 50% survival rate.
You don't get judged for your low survival rate, but you do get judged for trying to present subjective feelings as objective fact and your poor reaction to being shown the reality.

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 12:51 PM, said:

Why I suck so bad in MWO, will never get streaks of 600-1000 match scores. Not that selfish.

No, that is not why you don't perform well. Completely "selfish" players do not prosper because from an objective standpoint every teammate is an asset that will provide you an overall advantage over the other team. When you boil it down to bare bones, the gameplay consists of maximizimg the removal of enemy assets from the match while minimizing the loss of friendly assets.

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Wrote a post way before how bad the PSR is now. Stats/PSR is not good for players in MWO.

So you complain about "unfair" teams, but are against the one thing that the matchmaker uses to balance them... how "fair" do you think would completely random teams be?

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And I am sure some got pulled down that were in my team.

If someone is on the winning team but does badly compared to the rest of the players they will drop in PSR. That is actually a good thing.

Aidan Crenshaw, on 17 July 2020 - 02:36 AM, said:

This is just GuardDogg's personal vendetta against stats and people that are better at a game than them, all over again.

Yep. GuardDogg vs MWO community, round "who the hell's counting anymore".

Brauer, on 16 July 2020 - 01:43 PM, said:

There is competitive play where scouting, map control, ambushes, etc. matter quite a bit. Pull together a comp team and take on the "stat-farmers".

Ignatius Audene, on 17 July 2020 - 03:05 AM, said:

Come on. Put together a team of your so "called good teamwork true mechwarrior"and just bring it. Shure we will find some of this "ms farmers", that have no chance against your teamwork...

Thirded.

Edited by Horseman, 17 July 2020 - 03:11 AM.

[Biomechtric]

Can I be on the team against them? I have to....Pleeeease.

[GuardDogg]

Biomechtric, on 17 July 2020 - 01:31 AM, said:

What exactly am I trying to grasp? that's what I'm asking, what is the 'it' I know nothing about after playing this game for almost 5 years?
I'm sorry that MWO doesn't play the way you want it to(like MW4 from what you have said previously) but it is a different game from a different developer that chose a different path for THEIR game.
The top tier players are getting big matchscores & winning because they have worked out the best ways to do it & as they are usually of a more competitive nature than the lower skilled players they use this to, you know, win games.
I really am sorry that MWO causes you so much strife & may I suggest that maybe it's not the game for you & you should go back to MW4 where you obviously feel more comfortable with how the game plays. It sucks to lose any players but In my opinion, if it's that bad & I have the option then why not walk away. 'No point in flogging a dead horse' as the saying goes.

You are giving advice to help end MWO, telling people to uninstall. Mechwarrior was always with me since Battletech came out, and nothing will stop me from playing it. When people are looking at my stupid stats, they are looking at my stats before the reset. Now, MWO and the PSR is messed up. It doesn't do well together. After the reset, players raced to T1 in a couple days (up to a week) are now angry as (put the word here), and about to uninstall, give up. because they are not getting their way or others in the way. Why did they race to T1 so badly. Is it embarrassing to be in T2, T3, T4? They do not want to be insulted? Why was it so darn imported to be in T1 so bad? I seen a pilot last night fight to T1, and brought down into T2 in one hour. T1 players are fed up, and they are laughing at other people stats after the 2 minute match looking at the scoreboard, like their life depends on it. I did earn my way up to T1 in the past, with hard work. It is suppose to be the best place, but really it isn't. It is not a rank. It is a Pac-man zone. Now after the reset, I am proud not to be in the T1 (I am happy in T3), and I can do the stuff I trained many other pilots in MW4 and using it now it MWO, and good at it. Players are taking notice, and starting to ask me questions. Been told MWO is on life support. And a few weeks ago "The doctors", used a electrical cardio-version, hoping to bring MWO to better health. MWO was okay for awhile. But now we are about to see the flat line. Noticed a lot of good pilots are not around anymore, since after the reset.

Note: I do not play MWO as much anymore. Moved to DCS (once in awhile will be there).

Edited by GuardDogg, 17 July 2020 - 07:13 AM.

[dario03]

GuardDogg, on 16 July 2020 - 09:57 PM, said:

I have told people. If you can not grasp the knowledge now. You will get it later. You will wake up one day..."omg! I get it now!" Happens a lot to every body, all aspects in life. In MWO your either into points/Match scores that is all your concerned about, other being a true mech pilot. Everyone was looking forward to the reset (not me). They got their reset with a unhealthy PSR, helping damage the status life of MWO. For me it an observation (like watching mice in a maze, taking notes). This new PSR, will chase a lot of players away. The only people who are going to play this at the end are those who are concerned at Match scores, the T1 players (They can do it, like playing Pac-man. Knowing what to do). Every one else will leave. New players will in a week. No body will be around. One week T1 players will move down to T2. And they will say "wtf?". Give a month or two. Will be lots of angry players. Stats are not good for MWO at all. 2-3/4 minute rounds, and unfair teams.

Well when you wake up can you explain why moving down in tiers is somehow such a bad thing? Especially to people who claim to not care about matchscore

[Davegt27]

I thought we needed to wait a month to let things sort out??


just hold on kids some times the ride is rough