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[GuardDogg]

cougurt, on 22 July 2020 - 05:07 PM, said:

you should be able to alpha strike almost indefinitely with a 6 ML crab. the only thing you're accomplishing by chainfiring is hindering your ability to deal effective damage with a build that's already undergunned for the tonnage.

also consider the possibility that the match may not have come to a 0-5 in the first place had you assisted the rest of your team on top. you're fast enough that you could easily bail and return to your assaults if necessary, rather than being completely out of the fight for ~2 minutes.

I agree. Although pilots have their preferences on chain firing, or not. Depending on the weapon. I am not comfortable with alpha's (depending on weapons) and some pilots are okay with it. Unless it is the "DireStar" :-)

Edited by GuardDogg, 22 July 2020 - 09:09 PM.

[General Solo]

@OP You were on the threshold of T2, had a PSR increase game, crossed the threshold then had a PSR decrease game and so returned to the threshold.

imo

[Horseman]

GuardDogg, on 22 July 2020 - 01:53 PM, said:

Doesn't doing so help with heat? Do not have to wait for reload. Everyone has their way of piloting their mechs, using weapons. We all can not be the same.

GuardDogg, on 22 July 2020 - 07:42 PM, said:

I agree. Although pilots have their preferences on chain firing, or not. Depending on the weapon. I am not comfortable with alpha's (depending on weapons) and some pilots are okay with it. Unless it is the "DireStar" :-)

Putting all your lasers on target in a single burn deals more concentrated damage (it's only spread over by the single burn time instead of multiple successive burns) and has a higher likelihood of not just dealing damage but dealing meaningful damage that destroys something that matters.
An opponent losing weapons / mobility - or simply being forced to fall back - is denying more combat ability from the enemy ( = giving your team a bigger advantage ) than if you dealt the same amount of damage but spread widely.

Popping out to alpha and then disengaging lets you keep your mech in fight for longer - some enemies' attention will still get drawn to your position, but without a target there they will waste time getting back to another target (ie you are sharing aggro without losing armor).

Don't be afraid of running hot, heat is a resource to manage, not a punishment to avoid. Chainfire is useful if you're running close to 100% and want to avoid overheat damage or you're trying to land a hit on something that's a little too quick for you to be certain of any given single shot

GuardDogg, on 22 July 2020 - 02:16 PM, said:

All seems okay for me. Weapons usage. Mouse sensitivity, and more. Why are we going there? Should I use a different mouse pad?

The lower your mouse sensitivity is set, the more precisely you can keep your reticle on target during a laser burn without turning small movements into wild swings. Depending on your mouse DPI, somewhere around 0.2 tends to be the recommended value.

Edited by Horseman, 23 July 2020 - 04:14 AM.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

The match in the video looks to be: 1st Team did dumb stuff early (apparently some assaults to the basement...as the video starts) and goes down a bunch of mechs. 2nd team does dumb stuff late...like dropping one or two at a time into the basement to get focused down. Basically, both teams did plenty of stuff to deserve a loss....but someone had to win. So, it was an even match. I can understand that it was fun because it was close and tense. It was not however something to try to emulate. Not trying to sound harsh...I have been in plenty of matches like this over the years (I am always glad to take the win, however we got it), where you really won because the other team just did something even dumber (late) than the dumb thing your team did (early). If they had had 20 seconds of patience (to get together) they could have all dropped down and pushed in at the same time and you wouldn’t have been able to deal with that. But, even so...congrats for the comeback. You took advantage of their mistakes and its not often you can pull back from being down like that....your team finished the match well.

And as others have stated...please alpha strike and adjust your mouse sensitivity. You should have plenty of heat management on that crab.

Edited by Marquis De Lafayette, 23 July 2020 - 06:49 AM.

[GuardDogg]

Everyone has their ways of piloting mechs. Some use different mouse sensitivity and more, using their weapons. I never tell people to use these weapons, and how to use them. That is their preferences. When assisting an assault or team mate, it will have more weapon advantage on enemy (hoping to hit same locations.) Alpha or not. Myself, I enjoy chain fire on some weapons. Videos is not needing advice. They are to show pointers helping teams, formations. No balling up, and getting into each others way. Seen any nascar? Nope. This is team work, not about weapon usage. Or mech color, or what color your mouse should be. Cmon guys..let it be. Or say, good video(s)

Edited by GuardDogg, 23 July 2020 - 12:48 PM.

[Horseman]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 23 July 2020 - 06:37 AM, said:

1st Team did dumb stuff early (apparently some assaults to the basement...as the video starts) and goes down a bunch of mechs.

This is also a valid point. I've seen a lot of poor players flock to the basement in pursuit of a false sense of security, when in practice the way it's laid out makes it a.) tactically useless and b.) indefensible in most situations. Mechs going basement are taking themselves out of the fight for a minute or so (longer if it's a slow assault) and that tends to feed losses.
The reason top is often called on HPG is that it allows multiple mechs from your team to project their firepower over most of the map. While it seems exposed, it's actually fairly difficult to take over once a team has entrenched themselves there.

Teamwork's nice, but sometimes it means you need to be your team's brain prosthesis and warn them away from making this kind of a tactical error to begin with.

GuardDogg, on 23 July 2020 - 11:10 AM, said:

Everyone has their ways of piloting mechs. Some use different mouse sensitivity and more, using their weapons.

And some of those ways are more effective at winning matches than others. As a true mechwarrior you should recognize that and adapt accordingly.

You've shown that you're more than able to get your damage broadly on target, the next thing you need to work on is getting that damage where it will matter the most (ie kill or cripple the enemy mech).

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Videos is not needing advice.

Here's the thing: You did good. You could have done better.
Nobody's gameplay is beyond reproach. Some high performers deliberately record their matches and then review them looking for things they can improve in future matches.

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This is team work, not about weapon usage. Or mech color, or what color your mouse should be. Cmon guys..let it be. Or say, good video(s)

Making efficient use of your mech is a teamwork skill.
Patience to engage with your mech when and where it matters is a teamwork skill.
Not suicide-rushing your mech into a firing line is a teamwork skill, for that matter. You know very well what I'm referring to, so stop doing it and your teams might win more often.

[GuardDogg]

I could never do this stuff in T1 for a lot of reasons. I am okay pilot, not needing advice. Also, not a match score grabber/observer, to criticize others. If players observe and then some criticize. They are taking the fun out of MWO. Some pilots get bad match scores, and do awesome with team in that round. Just not getting help with team. (To many pilots only think of themselves, not helping others in position). Leaving pilots behind (like assaults), with out escort. If you see a pilot with 10 assists, and a lower match score. Means the pilot did more (what they could) than sitting back or they are having a bad day. Myself I help others get better match scores (hopefully), more kills for them, and try to keep them alive, to help win the round. Apposing teams in my videos are not dumb. It is tactical breakdowns (patience), or the position they are in becomes more critical and have to change. When they change, that means everyone will be on their own, although some with team mates. Can tell, their was communications (And I know in one video, some players on apposing team always communicates) or the habit of doing same things over, over and over again (On same maps), for years. Knowing nothing else. Eventually players will know, where, how, when things will fall. When I am playing MWO. It is all about helping each other, team mates, even when some others player do not. It is about smiling, being happy, having fun. Not "Hey!, you are doing that, and these things wrong"

Edited by GuardDogg, 23 July 2020 - 02:42 PM.

[thievingmagpi]

GuardDogg, on 23 July 2020 - 11:10 AM, said:

Everyone has their ways of piloting mechs. Some use different mouse sensitivity and more, using their weapons. I never tell people to use these weapons, and how to use them. That is their preferences. When assisting an assault or team mate, it will have more weapon advantage on enemy (hoping to hit same locations.) Alpha or not. Myself, I enjoy chain fire on some weapons. Videos is not needing advice. They are to show pointers helping teams, formations. No balling up, and getting into each others way. Seen any nascar? Nope. This is team work, not about weapon usage. Or mech color, or what color your mouse should be. Cmon guys..let it be. Or say, good video(s)

You keep saying one thing and then saying the complete opposite right after it.

You help your team by being effective. Chainfiring medium lasers isn't helping anyone but the enemy.

If you want to say "I have fun spraying my damage across every single component with chainfire", okay fine. If you want to say "I just don't have the manual dexterity to aim very well" or "keeping tracking of heat is very difficult and overwhelming for me", okay fine. Play however you're able to.

But don't say you're helping the team when you're actively doing the opposite.

Edited by thievingmagpi, 23 July 2020 - 10:58 PM.

[GuardDogg]

thievingmagpi, on 23 July 2020 - 10:56 PM, said:

You keep saying one thing and then saying the complete opposite right after it.

You help your team by being effective. Chainfiring medium lasers isn't helping anyone but the enemy.

If you want to say "I have fun spraying my damage across every single component with chainfire", okay fine. If you want to say "I just don't have the manual dexterity to aim very well" or "keeping tracking of heat is very difficult and overwhelming for me", okay fine. Play however you're able to.

But don't say you're helping the team when you're actively doing the opposite.

Man, can you guys ever be positive, other than bringing a man down? All is fine how I play. Didn't ask to approve how I suck. I only get it in MWO. What is wrong with you guys? Having bad days?

Myself am a awesome pilot. Everyone has their ways. Not about numbers, stats. I am about helping caring for others and team mates. If saying I am doing opposite, their is something very wrong with the thinking. Do positive thinking on others. Even if they are doing bad. Everyone will always have my hand on their shoulders. Will never bring em down, even if they are terrible, because they are not, and eventually get better (maybe not on numbers, but controlling). That goes for everything in life. Stop sending people away.

Their is pro's and cons with chain firing and not chain firing. Time and Heat. (Specially with lasers). Yes you can get more heat chain firing, but that feeling of always have a weapon to ready go, sooner that waiting for that recycle to reload. And I am very happy with it. Although got to have patience to control heat, other than going crazy. If players use over ride. That means they are desperate (not patient), and ends up in suicide. Good to hit in one location (hoping to find out if XL) but if a team mate is in front of me. I am not able to, because the pilot will move, and prob get hit and I care about them. I am helping team very well. They are very important to me, other than other players who are not. I dunno how you can say I am not (because of weapon usage). Not your or anyone business unless I ask. I do not need the advice. Never asked. I do not tell others, and they do okay, chain firing or not. I seen others do same as me. No one says a word, or voice and I find it okay. Video is showing movement with team mates. So keep it at that "Team movement, helping", not how I (or others) use weapons.

After recording video noticed video is a bit faster. Used (Nvidias shadow play).

Edited by GuardDogg, 24 July 2020 - 01:01 AM.

[MOBAjobg]

GuardDogg, it's hilarious to see your chainfiring medium laser shots when your mech has no heat.

If you have any intention to play in T1 matches eventually, please fire all your weapons simultaneously and then, torso twist plus move away.

Edited by MOBAjobg, 24 July 2020 - 03:58 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

thievingmagpi, on 23 July 2020 - 10:56 PM, said:

You keep saying one thing and then saying the complete opposite right after it.

You help your team by being effective. Chainfiring medium lasers isn't helping anyone but the enemy.

[[Trolling Redacted]]

But don't say you're helping the team when you're actively doing the opposite.

You've never played a game where you've sacrificed your 'mech and personal glory to help another wipe the board?

If you can squirrel half way across the map drawing four of the enemy team with you, the rest of your guys have an 11v8 advantage. You may get wiped and finish with a matchscore in the couple digits but that a small price to pay. Now, if the rest of your team can't capitalise on that opportunity, that's their problem, you did your job.

Chain-firing is great for drawing aggro, now in an assault you can't squirrel but you can still draw firing, helping your softer teammates survive longer.

It's also fun for pushing mechs into cover. Pilots don't generally like being sho and the average pilot assumes that you're going to alpha so a love tap from one weapon is treated the same as an alpha. I run a Quad-ERPPC Night Gyr, and chainfiring those things (beyond being cool) allows me to target multiple mechs faster, which is great for pushing the enemy into cover and stopping a push.

[Nesutizale]

I chainfire PPCs too but for a different reason. Hit registration seams off with them. Sometimes it feels like the second PPC isn't registered.

Edited by Nesutizale, 24 July 2020 - 05:58 AM.

[Marquis De Lafayette]

GuardDogg: The only reason you are being critiqued is you published a video with the purpose of showing how to help your team. It’s fine if it’s how you want to play...but many elements of that video are things not something any newer players should try to learn from. The best part of the video was the fact that once 1/2 your team made the mistake of going basement (which cost 1/2 your mechs) you stayed together and jumped on mechs that tried to push into the basement. That was good. The rest of the video didn’t illustrate solid ideas or gameplay. You and your team made some serious mistakes...the other team just made worse ones that your team took advantage of.

[GuardDogg]

Marquis De Lafayette, on 24 July 2020 - 06:42 AM, said:

GuardDogg: The only reason you are being critiqued is you published a video with the purpose of showing how to help your team. It’s fine if it’s how you want to play...but many elements of that video are things not something any newer players should try to learn from. The best part of the video was the fact that once 1/2 your team made the mistake of going basement (which cost 1/2 your mechs) you stayed together and jumped on mechs that tried to push into the basement. That was good. The rest of the video didn’t illustrate solid ideas or gameplay. You and your team made some serious mistakes...the other team just made worse ones that your team took advantage of.

Myself use to instruct pilots in MW4 (every weekend), and my "clan", we did awesome. So, some in here wanted to see how I play, use my skills. I didn't ask to be put down, insulted.

http://www.geocities...clandecals.html

Showing that T3 can be the a awesome teir, than T1. Wouldn't want to be in T1, I have been there. Maybe the pilots did bad moves, but helping can change the outcome, and it wouldn't matter, other than thinking of self. If people who watch, if they want to use the pointers, on movements, team work. Kudo's to them. Not telling them to. If they do not like it, oh well. The videos is not to give out criticism. It is about being happy, enjoy, smile, care and help others, even if you lose the round. Make a happy MWO community, not a salty, negative one.

Edited by GuardDogg, 24 July 2020 - 11:33 AM.

[VonBruinwald]

GuardDogg, on 24 July 2020 - 11:25 AM, said:

http://www.geocities...clandecals.html

Did you guys play post-free release?

Couldn't find any of your decals in my transfers folder.

Edited by VonBruinwald, 24 July 2020 - 01:09 PM.

[GuardDogg]

VonBruinwald, on 24 July 2020 - 01:09 PM, said:

Did you guys play post-free release?

Couldn't find any of your decals in my transfers folder.

Played since MW4 was out (from start). Then MW4 slowly died off, and people went their own ways. The creator of NS13 (NukeSylo-Thirteen), made those decals for clan mates and we had to use em. Was part of the rules. Had to download the zip file. Dunno where he is now. He went as the call sign "Kos". Other rules were to have fun. Was a fun place, even apposing pilots. "Code of Sylots"

Edited by GuardDogg, 24 July 2020 - 02:00 PM.

[BTGbullseye]

GuardDogg, on 24 July 2020 - 01:54 PM, said:

apposing

Opposing.

Sorry for the off-topic, but it's getting annoying seeing that typo.

[GuardDogg]

BTGbullseye, on 24 July 2020 - 10:10 PM, said:

Opposing.

Sorry for the off-topic, but it's getting annoying seeing that typo.

Typo? Look it up.
https://www.google.c...chrome&ie=UTF-8

I dislike to use "Enemy", because on opposite team can be your buddies, or pilots you know. Even the pilots that know me, and dislike me. I like to think of them as awesome people.

Edited by GuardDogg, 24 July 2020 - 10:48 PM.

[Xiphias]

GuardDogg, on 24 July 2020 - 10:40 PM, said:

Typo? Look it up.
https://www.google.c...chrome&ie=UTF-8

I dislike to use "Enemy", because on opposite team can be your buddies, or pilots you know. Even the pilots that know me, and dislike me. I like to think of them as awesome people.

GuardDogg, on 23 July 2020 - 02:24 PM, said:

Can tell, their was communications (And I know in one video, some players on apposing team always communicates) or the habit of doing same things over, over and over again (On same maps), for years.

You've repeatedly used "apposing" instead of "opposing" which is the typo he is referring to.

"Appose" means to place something in proximity.
"Oppose" means to act against or provide resistance.

You have a big problem with immediately getting defensive and assuming you are right. That is a big part of why you have issues with people in the forums. Try to listen to what people are saying and objectively evaluate your actions before you start defending yourself. You'll find that you are happy and that you'll get along a lot better with people in the community.

[GuardDogg]

Xiphias, on 25 July 2020 - 06:06 AM, said:

You've repeatedly used "apposing" instead of "opposing" which is the typo he is referring to.

"Appose" means to place something in proximity.
"Oppose" means to act against or provide resistance.

You have a big problem with immediately getting defensive and assuming you are right. That is a big part of why you have issues with people in the forums. Try to listen to what people are saying and objectively evaluate your actions before you start defending yourself. You'll find that you are happy and that you'll get along a lot better with people in the community.

Thanks...sorry. Didn't mean to make you guys have a bad day with the spelling. and very sorry for being a old man, with attitude. I know when a old man tells group of kids to stay off the lawn, the kids like to pick on the old man to get a few laughs thinking they are getting even.

Kids sound tense, here is a treat. How about a laugh of a Canadian being picked up by a Uber driver. My kinda people who are happy, keeping others happy. Not intimidating others even if it is about grammar, how to use weapons, move your mech. And I live in Canada. Very, very sorry for getting on people's nerves. Just on a defense. I have my ways, and people have theirs. Can not help it. Be happy, smile. Can people do that here? MWO People have brought a man down. Sorry., sorry, for the grammar and I do mean it.

Edited by GuardDogg, 25 July 2020 - 11:56 AM.