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[The6thMessenger]

I know that MWO is maintenance mode which is basically dead, but I still have a few hero-mech ideas left. I could possibly do it in MW5, once it releases on steam. In the mean time, hows about a bit of theory crafting?

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One of the few Jury-Rigs of Yuna Cassel nearing the end of the Battle of Tukkayyid during her stay at Skupo. One after another, Yuna and her team relocated one hangar after another, trying to keep their mechs together as she helped the 278th Division of the ComGuards. Left cannibalized and nothing more than a shell, this King Crab as merely just another hangar-queen.

They needed cover and a bit more time, but with their mechs still damaged she sought a way to temporarily hide them from peering eyes. Left with a half-a-functioning Fusion-Engine, she used parts of Extra Light-Engines to make the engine work, and with it she was able to hook up an ECM Suite.

With excess of parts and armor, she took her spare time to build the King Crab; she equipped it with a quartet of snub-nosed AC/2s on each arm at a total of eight though with only two tons of ammunition it is just as hungry and easily starved like the AC/20s that the King-Crab used to run; it is supported by a single Extended Range PPC for both short-range and long-range use, and a single Long Range Missile rack with 20 tubes, rounded out by three double heat-sinks.

She volunteered to pilot the King Crab due to an excess of pilots at hand, for use of nothing more than cover and a wall, they rolled out with the King Crab out of that hangar, and with it she gave cover-fire.

Known for it's octet of AC/2s, she provided a deluge of shells, standing her ground as the stalwart defender. Eventually the King Crab was out of ammunition, too damaged, and so she ejected herself, and joined the rest of the crew.

Left there as nothing more than a bad memory, nicknamed the "Spandau", the Clan Scouts remembered the terror well -- while normal soldiers would be deterred, the Clansmen were instead motivated by ire to hunt down the rest of the 278th.

I remember some guy asking for an 8-Ballistic King-Crab, also an ECM since it's a walking barn with LRM-magnet torso, but the thing is that 8-B isn't exactly that useful considering that realistically 4B is fine with basic dakka builds, 6B is already pushing it with the AC2 plinks due to generally heavy IS equipment, so the realistic builds there was just machine-guns. That being said, there are OTHER weapons, and that was the Light ACs -- shame it wasn't implemented in Civil War.

With Light AC, the 8B can be implemented less as a joke. It also only have 1E and 1M hardpoints, so realistically it's the least flexible hero versus the Kaiju.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 17 September 2020 - 02:21 AM.

[w0qj]

An ECM King Crab with 8 ballastic hard points (ie: 4x ballastic hard point on each arm).
One can only realistically put in so many ballastic weapons into one arm, so ending with some/all of it machine guns.
Which is not a big deal, since the "000" King Crab version already has 3x ballastic hard point on each arm.
Sounds good to me!

[Edit: Amended for accuracy, to: "to the "000" King Crab version already has 3x ballastic hard point on each arm."]

May I propose you design a 2nd King Crab, named "Ballet" also!


(Oops, does this hint at my age?...)

Edited by w0qj, 18 September 2020 - 01:09 PM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

The 000 has 3 Ballistic Hardpoints per arm and no, this would inflate the hardpoints on the KGC, because ECM is also a hardpoint. AC2s take up the same amount of slots as a MG. This is a very cherrypicked build and would directly make the 000 obsolete, inducing some pay2win into the game.

[Ekson Valdez]

Looks like this thread was posted in the wrong section, so I've moved it to Feature Suggestions.

[The6thMessenger]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 17 September 2020 - 08:13 PM, said:

The 000 has 3 Ballistic Hardpoints per arm and no, this would inflate the hardpoints on the KGC, because ECM is also a hardpoint. AC2s take up the same amount of slots as a MG. This is a very cherrypicked build and would directly make the 000 obsolete, inducing some pay2win into the game.

You'd "win" with an 8x UAC2 on an IS mech?

Slot isn't the problem, it's the tonnage. Clan can get away with 8 UAC2s, because they are hella light with XL engines that survive a torso.

000 is bolstered by quirks and the fact that you can at least put extra energies on it, this doesn't.

Edited by The6thMessenger, 18 September 2020 - 01:27 AM.

[Aidan Crenshaw]

Can't fit 4 UAC2's on an arm, anyway.
The point stands, that you'd have to apply your general hardpoint rules and if not, the Hero would just be plain better than the other variants. It doesnt win automatically, of course.

[Horseman]

Counterproposal: 8 ballistic, no other hardpoints. Or 2B, 2E, 2M, ECM and RAC quirks.

[The6thMessenger]

Aidan Crenshaw, on 18 September 2020 - 03:48 AM, said:

Can't fit 4 UAC2's on an arm, anyway.
The point stands, that you'd have to apply your general hardpoint rules and if not, the Hero would just be plain better than the other variants. It doesnt win automatically, of course.

There are plenty of other heroes that have more hardpoints -- Ultraviolet, Top-Dog, this is different for a completely different reason. And if it doesn't win automatically, then where does this ire comes from?

Likewise, the "better variant because more hardpoint" is just garbage reason, the hardpoint only really comes into play if you can utilize them all, and so if you're going to use heavy acs such as AC20, the extra 6 hardpoints won't matter, if you're going to do 4x UAC5s, the extra 4 hardpoints won't matter -- and in fact, the loss of torso hardpoints would also matter in those instances. 2x AC20 or 4x UAC5 is more potent to an assault because you can also put pokability with large-lasers and PPCs with them, or more brawl with SRMs. Less torso hardpoints means less damage output for those kind of builds.

Also okay, sure, add MGs on something like 4x UAC5, or 2x LB10X, or 4x RAC2s or 2x RAC5s -- are those really defensible builds? You know these are powerful on their own, and having extra 2 to 4 MGs ain't going to be much of a difference.

Needless to say, it's the best variant not because it has more hardpoints, it is the best variant because it has goddamn ECM. Imagine how game-changing a 2x AC20 or 4x UAC5 build with ECM, or 4x LGR, or 2x GR. You know you can stealth-armor the King Crab with that right? **** homing weapons if that's the case.

As for your "ECM is also a hardpoint", my retort is thus: "AMS is also a hardpoint".

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[Lithology]

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May I propose you design a 2nd King Crab, named "Ballet" also!


(Oops, does this hint at my age?...)

^^ I know this much is true. ^^