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[Dozer6]

Adette, on 18 February 2021 - 07:27 AM, said:

An argument could be made that PSR gains could be cheesed, leading to players getting to tier 1 that shouldn't be there. However if you're struggling to climb properly while playing against other players of same tier, your PSR level is probably where it should be.

This is the absolute truth.
I was struggling too, only been playing for a couple months now, but, made a decision to to tear myself apart and get better.
Made some friends in game, read AS MANY threads from top players as i could find on playstyle, do and don't, and most importantly GOOD builds.
Seriously changed my playstyle, got away from the derp builds and discovered the beauty of MASSIVE DHAKKA!!!

Voila!!!
It's taking work but my psr is now steadily moving in the positive, I can see breaking out of t5 in a day or so.

Thank you guys...

[Grus]

crazytimes, on 18 February 2021 - 12:16 AM, said:

There's enough salty threads like this to convince me that it did actually do something. All the people who had just XPed their way to tier 1 and are now sitting tier 5-3 and can't even search any of the previous threads tells me it was a step in the right direction.

Now, we need a way of keeping absolute scrubs like me from genuine good players, but I fear the population isn't sufficient for even that rough granularity.

Did you have a stroke while typing this?
Also, not salty. Just stating an observation.

[Nesutizale]

I am quite happy with PSR change. Still hanging at the peak of T3 and don't want to go up anyway, just want some casual fun.
Also I rarely meet people I know as beeing in higher tiers. So for me it works. Matches aren't exactly challeging but that is fine for me.
After work I nearly fall asleep anyway so some not to seriouse games are just fine.

[Cherge]

If you look at PSR as "something that isn't to be taken seriously for anything whatsoever" then it's fine

If you look at PSR as anything other than that, it deserves an overhaul

[Nightbird]

Cherge, on 18 February 2021 - 01:02 PM, said:

If you look at PSR as "something that isn't to be taken seriously for anything whatsoever" then it's fine

If you look at PSR as anything other than that, it deserves an overhaul

PSR is supposed to be to allow the match maker create teams of similar skill levels, to reduce stomps and create more fun game play. It is a failure at doing so.

[Mal Bolge]

As long as groups are allowed in QP it doesn't matter how many times they overhaul the MM

[Willard Phule]

Samial, on 18 February 2021 - 12:14 AM, said:

I prefer the current PSR myself..

Like it matters except during primetime, and even then, it's hard to tell.

[VonBruinwald]

Just played a great match:

Enemy team outweighed us by 180 tons!

(750 vs 570)

[Tarl Cabot]

Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, on 18 February 2021 - 05:03 AM, said:

not to insinuate something, just facts:

those are 2 different matches;
-in one you show %numbers%, yet go down in PSR - but no teamS to be seen.
-in the other you show just %numbers% and teams, but not the PSR-progress.

just to play the devils advocate: a doubting person would think that

-in the first, there just MAY be quite a few people performing better (out of 24)
-in the second, that you maybe didn't go down at all.

we simply do not know, because it's not the whole picture presented here


--> you best post both pics of both matches, else some people will look for those things and argue the above lines.


btw: srm? mrm? god, I hope it's not the l-word..

This. I calculated the 2nd one. He and 2 of his team mates moved up, though one of his teammates BARELY went up but would have had an UP Arrow. And since it is max range and avg based on high/low, only 10 actually moved up while 14 moved down. Even PGI posted example has the same 10 moved up, 14 moved down... though it could have been 10 up, one broke even -0.9 then 13 moved down.

[PocketYoda]

Dozer6, on 18 February 2021 - 07:57 AM, said:

This is the absolute truth.
I was struggling too, only been playing for a couple months now, but, made a decision to to tear myself apart and get better.
Made some friends in game, read AS MANY threads from top players as i could find on playstyle, do and don't, and most importantly GOOD builds.
Seriously changed my playstyle, got away from the derp builds and discovered the beauty of MASSIVE DHAKKA!!!

Voila!!!
It's taking work but my psr is now steadily moving in the positive, I can see breaking out of t5 in a day or so.

Thank you guys...

Another thing no one tells you as new player is get what is considered as a strong viable mech and stick with it.. Do not switch and change mechs.. one it throws the matchmaker out and two you get better at the said mech with regular use..

I wish i could do that as my PSR would skyrocket.. but i get so bored with playing the same damn thing over and over it would drive me insane. I just need to play meme builds so i'm doomed to wallow in tier 4 and 5 for eternity..

Willard Phule, on 18 February 2021 - 04:09 PM, said:

Like it matters except during primetime, and even then, it's hard to tell.

I prefer it as it puts me mostly with players of my level.. If the groups don't exploit it. The old PSR just had me in tier 3 even tier 2 for a short time.. and i was no where near that good.

Edited by Samial, 18 February 2021 - 10:12 PM.

[Tarl Cabot]

Samial, on 18 February 2021 - 09:18 PM, said:

Another thing no one tells you as new player is get what is considered as a strong viable mech and stick with it.. Do not switch and change mechs.. one it throws the matchmaker out and two you get better at the said mech with regular use..

I wish i could do that as my PSR would skyrocket.. but i get so bored with playing the same damn thing over and over it would drive me insane. I just need to play meme builds so i'm doomed to wallow in tier 4 and 5 for eternity..


I prefer it as it puts me mostly with players of my level.. If the groups don't exploit it. The old PSR just had me in tier 3 even tier 2 for a short time.. and i was no where near that good.

If we had the original PSR setup, you would have made your way to Tier 1, since your avg MS quite a bit beyond 171 MS and WLR 0.83 (after 25K+ games)

imho, regardless of what stats the MM utilizes to form temporary teams, placing only tonnage limits on the 2-4man groups is likely one of the issues. PGI should change it to max 1 mech/weight class first.. then if feasible match weight classes for both teams (not 3-man to 4-man) but overall, changing it from the current usage of the group MM back towards the previous solo MM, ie matching weight classes.

[Wildstreak]

Adette, on 18 February 2021 - 07:27 AM, said:

An argument could be made that PSR gains could be cheesed, leading to players getting to tier 1 that shouldn't be there. However if you're struggling to climb properly while playing against other players of same tier, your PSR level is probably where it should be.

You clearly have clue none as to what is wrong with online matchmakers in many games including this one.

When you find out, let us know.

Evidence beats your unsubstantiated fantasy.

[Gagis]

Wildstreak, on 19 February 2021 - 10:38 AM, said:

You clearly have clue none as to what is wrong with online matchmakers in many games including this one.

When you find out, let us know.

Evidence beats your unsubstantiated fantasy.

"Elo hell" that players speak of in other games is an excuse for low ranking. It does not happen, and is not mathematically reasonable. Please don't bring that "flat earth of matchmaking complaints" into MWO.

[Adette]

Wildstreak, on 19 February 2021 - 10:38 AM, said:

You clearly have clue none as to what is wrong with online matchmakers in many games including this one.

When you find out, let us know.

Evidence beats your unsubstantiated fantasy.

Evidence of what? Average players remaining somewhere between tier 2 through 4? Every good and above average player has hit tier 1, and most bad players have dropped down to tier 5. Climbing to tier 1 can also be cheesed with use of triple AMS and or ATM Veagle spam.

The matchmaker still has a problem differentiating different Tier 1s as probably too many people still rise there, but if you're stuck below tier 1, you're for sure not as good as you think you are.

Edited by Adette, 19 February 2021 - 02:57 PM.

[crazytimes]

Adette, on 19 February 2021 - 02:56 PM, said:

The matchmaker still has a problem differentiating different Tier 1s as probably too many people still rise there, but if you're stuck below tier 1, you're for sure not as good as you think you are.

That's something common to absolutely every single competitive thing in life- especially gaming- almost no one can accurately assess their actual skill level. When presented with objective data, they will attempt to rationalise the data. If all attempts at rationalising fail- then they will blame some form of deus ex machina, or a conspiracy against them as an individual.

The idea that their results are directly linked to their ability is utterly incomprehensible.

[BTGbullseye]

Adette, on 17 February 2021 - 08:09 PM, said:

If you're not maxed out Tier 1, you might not be as good as you think you are, and that's ok.

Adette, on 19 February 2021 - 02:56 PM, said:

Every good and above average player has hit tier 1

if you're stuck below tier 1, you're for sure not as good as you think you are.

Unless you haven't played tons of games daily for weeks on end... Most of us don't have the time to dedicate to powering through the grind every night after work.

[Adette]

BTGbullseye, on 19 February 2021 - 04:50 PM, said:

Unless you haven't played tons of games daily for weeks on end... Most of us don't have the time to dedicate to powering through the grind every night after work.

It took me ~60 games to hit tier 1 at the reset, so about....4 days. It's not supposed to be a grind, it's supposed to have you settle out at your "skill" level over time.

Edited by Adette, 19 February 2021 - 04:54 PM.

[TheCaptainJZ]

PSR isn't exactly a personal ranking value to say how good of a player you are. It's a matchmaking stat to build matches. If you put Tier 1s against Tier 1s, someone HAS to go up and someone HAS to go down with this system. But next match, they might reverse and in the end, they both stay in Tier 1.

[BTGbullseye]

Adette, on 19 February 2021 - 04:52 PM, said:

It took me ~60 games to hit tier 1 at the reset, so about....4 days. It's not supposed to be a grind, it's supposed to have you settle out at your "skill" level over time.

And I'm steadily rising through the tiers as I play... I'm only still in T2 right now because I'm not playing constantly. Just because you managed to nail the increase in only 60 games, doesn't mean everyone will have those lucky matches like you if they're good players.

Edited by BTGbullseye, 19 February 2021 - 06:04 PM.

[Wildstreak]

Adette, on 19 February 2021 - 02:56 PM, said:

Evidence of what? Average players remaining somewhere between tier 2 through 4? Every good and above average player has hit tier 1, and most bad players have dropped down to tier 5. Climbing to tier 1 can also be cheesed with use of triple AMS and or ATM Veagle spam.

The matchmaker still has a problem differentiating different Tier 1s as probably too many people still rise there, but if you're stuck below tier 1, you're for sure not as good as you think you are.

You really have no idea how matchmakers work and should work.

Mistake #1 - thinking top level is all that matters. Actually to a number of people top level does not matter, indeed quite a number in many games including this one are more about how they would be mid-level before a reset then get stuck in the bottom for reasons people like you foolishly ignore.

Mistake #2 - thinking matchmakers create diamond shapes out of the community. They don't. ELO and current PSR make pyramids, original PSR made a cylinder.

Just because you are Tier 1 doesn't make you an expert on how matchmakers work as you clearly show since your comments ignore MANY facts but that is typical of some top level players, not all but some, while they have game skill during matches to reach high level they ignore many things that affect game systems that do harm to others. Those who ignore facts like you deserve no attention so you get none from now on.

To be clear, my comments are not just about my own rank in any game, I really do not worry about it for reasons. I do however spend more time reading comments of others, paying attention to how some game systems work and when something happens to me in a match, I think about how if it was caused by John Doe gamer, that John Doe gamer is going to do the same thing to others. THAT is true, irritating and once you learn to think and understand how situations affect others instead of just yourself, then you look at matchmakers and realize none of them work.

Since you only care about yourself, you're done as you have no argument due to limiting your understanding only to what affects you.