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[Skippy The Danger Squirrel]

I ask, because I cannot explain how the new PSR actually works!

Last match, 1 kill, 3 KMDD, 673 dmg, 378 match score (second on the team) in a 6-12 loss. Yet when the totals were added up, my PSR went DOWN again.

Edited by Skrapiron, 17 February 2021 - 09:02 AM.

[Wolfos31]

Skrapiron, on 17 February 2021 - 09:00 AM, said:

Would someone please explain how the new PSR actually works???

Last match, 1 kill, 3 KMDD, 673 dmg, 378 match score (second on the team) in a 6-12 loss. Yet when the totals were added up, my PSR went DOWN again.

There was a change to PSR about 6 months ago or so. The actual math is in announcements or a locked topic here.

Next time post both your individual match results screen AS WELL AS the team results screen. We can tell you why you're PSR went down with that information. Your performance is compared with the performance of everyone else in the match. So even though it sounds like you did good, if you're in the lower half of results across the 24 players your PSR will go down.

[Skippy The Danger Squirrel]

I saved a screenshot of the results screen, but the timeout forced me back to the mechbay before I could get to the team results.

I tried to embed the picture in this reply, but it keeps telling me I cannot submit an empty post.


Your explanation makes some sense, in the enemy team was able to rack up massive damage against our rotating potatoes. If our performance was being judged against the results of the entire drop queue, then everybody on my side would have seen a PSR drop, regardless of performance. Let me just say, that system sucks balls.

[Wolfos31]

I think the system is a big improvement. Now your PSR only goes up if you really earn it, and you can have a PSR up even on losses as long as you outperform (some) of the enemy team.

PSR is not an experience bar. The goal should not be to get to PSR level 1. It should be to do well in your skill level and enjoy the game.

[VonBruinwald]

Skrapiron, on 17 February 2021 - 09:10 AM, said:

I tried to embed the picture in this reply, but it keeps telling me I cannot submit an empty post.

Upload the image to postimages.org

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[Skippy The Danger Squirrel]

Lockheed_, on 17 February 2021 - 09:17 AM, said:

Usually when these threads pop up, people do average or below average dmg and it's often not even necessary to look at the other team scores, but this seems to have been a particularly unlucky match for your team. The enemy must have really done insane damage. I am actually surprised to see PSR going down with 673 dmg, 378 match score. Feels like an outlier.

I have bounced between tier 2 and tier 3 for the better part of a month. My KD ratio is up, my average match score is up, yet my WL ratio is down. Way down. My performance is usually at the top, or near the top for my team, but my PSR continues to founder.

[Skippy The Danger Squirrel]

Two matches. Two BAD defeats. Led the team BOTH times in dmg and match score, PSR dropped twice. I don't get it, other than my teams have just abjectly sucked and I pay the price for their ineptitude.

[Gagis]

Winning and losing is ultimately the most accurate predictor for winning and losing we have. It needs to be heavily weighed in order for the matchmaker to balance teams' chances of winning and losing.

[GARION26]

Equation is here
https://mwomercs.com...ity-version-10/

I suspect you received a very tiny PSR negative without running the numbers myself.

[Willard Phule]

Skrapiron, on 17 February 2021 - 09:00 AM, said:

I ask, because I cannot explain how the new PSR actually works!

Last match, 1 kill, 3 KMDD, 673 dmg, 378 match score (second on the team) in a 6-12 loss. Yet when the totals were added up, my PSR went DOWN again.

If your PSR went down, I'm gonna guess your team lost. Only the top couple of guys on the losing team get to go up, everyone else stays equal or goes down.

[Grus]

I really think the new psr system didn't fix anything. I'm steadily filling my exp bar every day

[Stonefalcon]

Skrapiron, on 17 February 2021 - 09:00 AM, said:

I ask, because I cannot explain how the new PSR actually works!

Last match, 1 kill, 3 KMDD, 673 dmg, 378 match score (second on the team) in a 6-12 loss. Yet when the totals were added up, my PSR went DOWN again.

OK, so PSR is calculated on a per match basis. The actual up or down variance looks at your match score vs the match average. If you PSR is higher than the map average, it'll go up, likewise the reverse is true too. You might have a good match with a 390 match score, but if the rest of your team also has a good match it raises the average match score.

Due to the way a win/loss changes your match score slightly you will find on average - and I stress the on average - 8 players on winning team will go up and 4 players on losing team will go up.

Edited by Stonefalcon, 17 February 2021 - 07:49 PM.

[LordNothing]

pgi loves to do ineffective overhauls, and you want another one?

[Adette]

Don't worry about what your PSR is and just play the game. If you're not maxed out Tier 1, you might not be as good as you think you are, and that's ok.

[PocketYoda]

Willard Phule, on 17 February 2021 - 12:50 PM, said:

If your PSR went down, I'm gonna guess your team lost. Only the top couple of guys on the losing team get to go up, everyone else stays equal or goes down.

I prefer the current PSR myself..

Edited by Samial, 18 February 2021 - 07:02 AM.

[crazytimes]

Grus, on 17 February 2021 - 12:57 PM, said:

I really think the new psr system didn't fix anything. I'm steadily filling my exp bar every day

There's enough salty threads like this to convince me that it did actually do something. All the people who had just XPed their way to tier 1 and are now sitting tier 5-3 and can't even search any of the previous threads tells me it was a step in the right direction.

Now, we need a way of keeping absolute scrubs like me from genuine good players, but I fear the population isn't sufficient for even that rough granularity.

[Wildstreak]

Adette, on 17 February 2021 - 08:09 PM, said:

Don't worry about what your PSR is and just play the game. If you're not maxed out Tier 1, you might not be as good as you think you are, and that's ok.

Or matchmaking systems are done wrong plus people using this argument miss a big flaw in it, actually two.

[Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie]

Skrapiron, on 17 February 2021 - 09:36 AM, said:

Two matches. Two BAD defeats. Led the team BOTH times in dmg and match score, PSR dropped twice. I don't get it, other than my teams have just abjectly sucked and I pay the price for their ineptitude.

not to insinuate something, just facts:

those are 2 different matches;
-in one you show %numbers%, yet go down in PSR - but no teamS to be seen.
-in the other you show just %numbers% and teams, but not the PSR-progress.

just to play the devils advocate: a doubting person would think that

-in the first, there just MAY be quite a few people performing better (out of 24)
-in the second, that you maybe didn't go down at all.

we simply do not know, because it's not the whole picture presented here


--> you best post both pics of both matches, else some people will look for those things and argue the above lines.


btw: srm? mrm? god, I hope it's not the l-word..

Edited by Teenage Mutant Ninja Urbie, 18 February 2021 - 05:06 AM.

[Adette]

Wildstreak, on 18 February 2021 - 04:44 AM, said:

Or matchmaking systems are done wrong plus people using this argument miss a big flaw in it, actually two.

An argument could be made that PSR gains could be cheesed, leading to players getting to tier 1 that shouldn't be there. However if you're struggling to climb properly while playing against other players of same tier, your PSR level is probably where it should be.

[Nightbird]

The PSR formula is mathematically garbage at making good teams. Don't expect any better though from PGI. https://mwomercs.com...cy-with-graphs/