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#1 jamesbombed00420

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Posted 19 April 2021 - 10:01 AM

Not totally sure where to post this question I apologize.
I was wondering if anybody got to benchmark a modern Intel (10th or 11th gen) vs a Ryzen 5000 series cpu with either a high end gpu, or low settings to see which is better for high fps gaming?

#2 Aidan Crenshaw

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Posted 20 April 2021 - 01:45 AM

do you mean gaming with regards to MWO, or in general?

#3 jamesbombed00420

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Posted 20 April 2021 - 01:56 PM

specifically mwo, wanted to make sure it was at least close on mwo before i went out and bought a 5800x since its the game I play most.

#4 GweNTLeR

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Posted 20 April 2021 - 09:56 PM

Well, i think there would be no benchmarks, since the game is rather old.
From my experience (recently replaced my i7-8700 with r7-5800x) the game runs MUCH smoother on 5800x.
You can make some conclusions considering i7-8700 is virtually identical to i5-10600.
There is little reason to go 5800x specifically though, unless you get good discount (got mine for 400$). It has high leakage dies, so it would run much hotter that 5600x(low leakage dies) or 5900x (1low+1high leakage die).
In stress tests, even with a good cooling system (closed loop water) you would likely be thermally limited (almost instantly goes 90°c and drops frequencies). No problems with MWO though.
If you are fine with google translate, you can read this review (Russian, but it is the ONLY review with graphs regarding temperature): https://3dnews.ru/10...ake-bez-nadriva
Considering AFAIK MWO uses max 6 threads, even 5600x should be enough.
Also, regarding intel 11xxx - you should know, that MWO would not work out of the box - https://mwomercs.com...l-cpus-and-mwo/

Edited by GweNTLeR, 20 April 2021 - 10:21 PM.


#5 jamesbombed00420

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Posted 21 April 2021 - 10:16 AM

I actually didnt even know about thermal differences between the chips thats good to know, main reason was it seemed like the best thing I could get for my budget without going overkill, I mostly just want the brand with the best single thread performance on mwo and something somewhat future proof (~8 cores). Sounds like the performance is at least close to a modern intel if not better, thanks for the feedback

Do you have it overclocked or does it throttle at stock settings?

#6 GweNTLeR

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Posted 21 April 2021 - 11:17 AM

View Postjamesbombed00420, on 21 April 2021 - 10:16 AM, said:

Do you have it overclocked or does it throttle at stock settings?

Abit overclocked with some undervolting, so almost equals stock. But that is not actually the case. The difference lies with how much power it can dissapate.
My cooler (Thermalright macho 120 rev.b, arguably the best mid tower (H<=150mm) air cooler) with maximum fan speed allows CPU to drain 125-135 watts stable (depending on ambient temperature). Considering AMD allows to drain up to ~142 watts on stock, performance drop is not THAT big (100-150 MHz).
I find it funny, that in the review I mentioned they used custom closed water loop with 3x120mm fans and they STILL failed to make it constantly drain 142 watts (see a power drain drop after maximum on screenshot).
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Edited by GweNTLeR, 21 April 2021 - 11:26 AM.


#7 Ch_R0me

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Posted 23 April 2021 - 12:49 AM

Oh, I could surely use some info from HD 610 (matches the minimum GeForce card, 9800 GT I think), up to Xe variants (Can't wait to see how it would go with HPG and DG-1) :)

#8 Meep Meep

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Posted 23 April 2021 - 05:28 PM

The best overall deal right now for gaming due to pricing and availability is a overclocked 10th gen i5 10600k or an i9 10850k on an msi z490 pro mobo due to the excellent vrm. Gamers nexus and hardware unboxed and a few others did some recent testing with the 11th gen rollouts and found those to be the best current deals. There is also the option of a budget mobo and i5 10400f which will be far more cpu than mwo needs for the cost of just the cpu alone for the k chips.

Both the k chips are cheaper than a 5600x with the i5 trading blows on who wins depending on the game and the overclocked i9 just spanking it outright like an i9 should. So right now a 10400f is ~$150, 10600k ~$200, 10850k ~$375, with the 5600x around $400 and mostly unavailable. It's a really good time to upgrade your cpu and mobo if you are running older stuff.



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Posted 24 April 2021 - 06:50 AM

the microcenter near me actually has 5800x for $430 right now, is that a good deal compared to the intel?

#10 GweNTLeR

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Posted 24 April 2021 - 09:11 AM

View Postjamesbombed00420, on 24 April 2021 - 06:50 AM, said:

the microcenter near me actually has 5800x for $430 right now, is that a good deal compared to the intel?

It depends on the price of similar intel. If 11700k(f), 10850k cost 75 $ less there (you'll likely have to spend those 75$ on better mobo with more VRM phases on intel) then no.


#11 Meep Meep

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Posted 24 April 2021 - 11:29 AM

View PostGweNTLeR, on 24 April 2021 - 09:11 AM, said:

It depends on the price of similar intel. If 11700k(f), 10850k cost 75 $ less there (you'll likely have to spend those 75$ on better mobo with more VRM phases on intel) then no.


Was looking up b550 mobo for the 5800x and it looks like many will need a bios update if you want to stick in a r7 5xxx ryzen. This also goes for the x570 and the only ones that can flash without a cpu are hella expensive or simply are not in stock. Also the few b550 mobo with the vrm to push a 5800x are all over $200.

That msi z490 pro can be had for at little at $150 and has the vrm able to push the 10850k into overclock but a full out 10900k is a bit too much for it though it will run fine stock speed and of course no issues with any lower bin cpu.

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Posted 24 April 2021 - 11:42 AM

View PostMeep Meep, on 24 April 2021 - 11:29 AM, said:


Was looking up b550 mobo for the 5800x and it looks like many will need a bios update if you want to stick in a r7 5xxx ryzen. This also goes for the x570 and the only ones that can flash without a cpu are hella expensive or simply are not in stock. Also the few b550 mobo with the vrm to push a 5800x are all over $200.

That msi z490 pro can be had for at little at $150 and has the vrm able to push the 10850k into overclock but a full out 10900k is a bit too much for it though it will run fine stock speed and of course no issues with any lower bin cpu.

That's a lie.
You dont need 200$ to get a proper B550 that's able to boost 5800x to maximum.
https://docs.google....dOQw/edit#gid=0
Example: Asrock B550m steel legend(155$, 10 phases x 50A - I chose this one, was like 130$ for me, BIOS revision supported 5800x from the box (but it was possible to flash with 10$ if it didnt)) - Tier B on VRMs (160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 5900X and 3900X, 3950x at 1.2V on ambient cooling), MSI Mortar (160$, 10 phases x 60A) - Tier A on VRMs (Tier A: 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 5950X and 3950X on ambient cooling)- more than enough.
MSI Mortar also supports flashing with USB memory stick without CPU.
Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only) - Page 2 - CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory - Linus Tech Tips
Here's some comparison:
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BTW 5800x hardly takes more than 142w (overheats even with stock wattage)

Edited by GweNTLeR, 24 April 2021 - 12:49 PM.


#13 Meep Meep

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Posted 24 April 2021 - 11:57 AM

View PostGweNTLeR, on 24 April 2021 - 11:42 AM, said:

That's a lie.
You dont need 200$ to get a proper B550 that's able to boost 5800x to maximum.
https://docs.google....dOQw/edit#gid=0
Example: Asrock B550m steel legend(155$, 10 phases x 50A - I chose this one, was like 130$ for me, BIOS revision supported 5800x from the box (but it was possible to flash with 10$ if it didnt)) - Tier B on VRMs (160A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 5900X and 3900X, 3950x at 1.2V on ambient cooling), MSI Mortar (155$, 10 phases x 60A) - Tier A on VRMs (Tier A: 200A current draw on little ambient airflow, maxed out 5950X and 3950X on ambient cooling)- more than enough.
MSI Mortar also supports flashing with USB memory stick without CPU.
Motherboard VRM Tier List v2 (currently AMD only) - Page 2 - CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory - Linus Tech Tips


Looking at spec sheets doesn't tell you if the vrm are actually any good which is why I always use benchmarks to build a list. Whats the vrm temps on that $130 b550 with your 5800x and how close to their upper limit are you pushing them. What might work fine now may burn out later is what I am saying. I'm not dissing amd just mentioning some of the drawbacks and most reviewers are not too happy with the lower end b550's pertaining to ocing a higher bin cpu. But if its working for you then all is well. Posted Image

To the op you will be fine with either amd or intel if your primary concern is gaming so in the end find the best deal on price vs performance and make sure to research out your picks before purchase to expose any gotchas.

Edited by Meep Meep, 24 April 2021 - 01:21 PM.






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