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#1 The Rocketeer

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 06:01 AM

How about to stop this madness with machine guns?
How about to make quirks to all chassis or edit MG's like:

MG's have -75% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on assault mechs.
MG's have -50% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on heavy mechs.
MG's have -25% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on medium mechs.

#2 Der Geisterbaer

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 06:51 AM

Oh boy, this thread is certainly going to deliver ...

#3 Curccu

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 09:27 AM

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 06:01 AM, said:

How about to stop this madness with machine guns?
How about to make quirks to all chassis or edit MG's like:

MG's have -75% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on assault mechs.
MG's have -50% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on heavy mechs.
MG's have -25% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on medium mechs.


Now where did bad machinegun touch you in your assault mech...

But now that we are at it could we have general quirk to all assault mechs:
-75% damage to light mechs.
-50% damage to heavy mechs.
-25% damage to medium mechs.

Usually this kind of bat **** crazy ideas come from bad players who cannot aim but you have been able to reach very high percentiles in the past so just wondering...

Edited by Curccu, 16 June 2022 - 09:30 AM.


#4 pattonesque

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 09:34 AM

there will be some nerfs upcoming for MGs, from what I understand

that being said, just shoot the light dude

#5 Curccu

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 09:43 AM

View Postpattonesque, on 16 June 2022 - 09:34 AM, said:

that being said, just shoot the light dude

What if it was Viper and he kept shooting the light and Viper kept drilling his bottom...

#6 The Rocketeer

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 10:06 AM

when you shooting a car (light)for a 4 second and a tank (assault) this is not just x4 time to brake armor.
With this mg's still get his role , still crits, still can blow inner weapons etc.

#7 Curccu

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 10:27 AM

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 10:06 AM, said:

when you shooting a car (light)for a 4 second and a tank (assault) this is not just x4 time to brake armor.
With this mg's still get his role , still crits, still can blow inner weapons etc.

Both are "tanks" with different thickness of ablative armor. 4 seconds what why what?
MGs role is to kill other mechs if you reduce 75% of it it doesn't work that well anymore, would you like AC20 doing only 5 dmg?

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 10:43 AM

View Postpattonesque, on 16 June 2022 - 09:34 AM, said:

there will be some nerfs upcoming for MGs, from what I understand

that being said, just shoot the light dude


Why would they nerf mgs right as they release a hero mech that rocks 10 mgs?
They had a year to do that. Why now?



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Posted 16 June 2022 - 10:47 AM

View PostCurccu, on 16 June 2022 - 10:27 AM, said:

Both are "tanks" with different thickness of ablative armor. 4 seconds what why what?
MGs role is to kill other mechs if you reduce 75% of it it doesn't work that well anymore, would you like AC20 doing only 5 dmg?

In mwo no any ricochets , this decreasing for mg like compensating this. Mwo are just basing on books storys/tecnical parts. This is not 1:1 and never been. Armor, quirks, shooting groups ( ppc+ gauss,etc.etc.) This is arcade and i want ppls enjoy game. Even with this nerf it be weapon to kill lights, meds, and still thing to blow inner weapons.

#10 Der Geisterbaer

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 11:02 AM

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 10:47 AM, said:

In mwo no any ricochets , this decreasing for mg like compensating this.


When have last seen bullets from GAU-8 or Vulcan sized "machine guns" ricochet off anything?

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 10:47 AM, said:

This is not 1:1 and never been.


Yeah, if it actually were a 1:1 thing them MW:O machine guns would have to do the same amount of damage per second as an AC2 ... which would actually require the damage to be raised by 178% to 278% of its current value.


View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 10:47 AM, said:

This is arcade and i want ppls enjoy game.


No, you want yourself to enjoy the game at the expense of the already weakest and least played weight class where mechs with larger machine gun numbers are still a minority within the minority group that Lights represent.

But hey, the PIR-1 is still the be-all end-all mech that constantly wins every single match where one shows up, right?

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 10:47 AM, said:

Even with this nerf it be weapon to kill lights, meds, and still thing to blow inner weapons.


So you're saying that Lights shouldn't be able to touch heavies and assaults? In a "team death match" shooter? ~laugh~
That "totally" sounds like you thinking of the fun that people have.

#11 pattonesque

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 11:12 AM

View PostfeeWAIVER, on 16 June 2022 - 10:43 AM, said:

Why would they nerf mgs right as they release a hero mech that rocks 10 mgs?
They had a year to do that. Why now?


It's fairly minor from what I understand

#12 The Rocketeer

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM

View PostDer Geisterbaer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:02 AM, said:


When have last seen bullets from GAU-8 or Vulcan sized "machine guns" ricochet off anything?



Yeah, if it actually were a 1:1 thing them MW:O machine guns would have to do the same amount of damage per second as an AC2 ... which would actually require the damage to be raised by 178% to 278% of its current value.




No, you want yourself to enjoy the game at the expense of the already weakest and least played weight class where mechs with larger machine gun numbers are still a minority within the minority group that Lights represent.

But hey, the PIR-1 is still the be-all end-all mech that constantly wins every single match where one shows up, right?



So you're saying that Lights shouldn't be able to touch heavies and assaults? In a "team death match" shooter? ~laugh~
That "totally" sounds like you thinking of the fun that people have.


mg's can touch anything this is not 100% decreasing dmg. Its niche weapon to crit opened parts and weapons there, just take some weapons not only Mg's . Nice try to turn all in farce.

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 11:34 AM

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

mg's can touch anything this is not 100% decreasing dmg.


What "machine guns" are you talking about there? Are you trying to talk about a 10.5kg real world machine gun like the M-60 or are you talking fictional BattleTech machine guns that - in case of IS "machine guns" - weigh between 500kg and 1000kg and are explicit anti-mech (=anti-tank) weapons within that fictional universe?
Fictional weapons that interestingly enough weigh about the same or more than something like trhe GAU-8 or Vulcan auto-cannon that easily shred real world battle tanks into pieces?!

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

Its niche weapon to crit opened parts and weapons there, just take some weapons not only Mg's .


No, in the BattleTech universe the (somewhat inappropriately named) [mech] "machine gun" is an anti-mech weapon that in terms of raw damage is on par with AC2s just at severly limited ranges. MW:O already massively "nerfed" them in terms of damage and then added a "crit bonus" niche to compensate. You are now asking to pretty much remove the remaining anti-mech capability and thereby want to push those mechs that have little other options for their armament "off the board".

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

Nice try to turn all in farce.


Trust me, the one who turned this into an intellectually dishonest farce certainly wasn't me.

Edited by Der Geisterbaer, 16 June 2022 - 12:27 PM.


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Posted 16 June 2022 - 11:45 AM

If you dislike crits that much, pilot an assault mech with a reduced crit chance quirk. My fave is the Charger Number 7. It has -90 percent crit chance, which I can buy up to 100 on the skill tree.

Edited by ScrapIron Prime, 16 June 2022 - 11:46 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2022 - 12:22 PM

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

mg's can touch anything this is not 100% decreasing dmg.

75% nerf is pretty damn close to 100%

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

Its niche weapon to crit opened parts and weapons there, just take some weapons not only Mg's .

IN YOUR OPINION.

In battletech and in MWO its just a weapon that deals damage. deal with it.

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 11:21 AM, said:

Nice try to turn all in farce.


This thread became farce when you decided to push that Post button when creating OP.

View PostScrapIron Prime, on 16 June 2022 - 11:45 AM, said:

If you dislike crits that much, pilot an assault mech with a reduced crit chance quirk. My fave is the Charger Number 7. It has -90 percent crit chance, which I can buy up to 100 on the skill tree.


If I understand OP correctly assault mechs just should be _almost_ untouchable by MGs... by damage and crits.

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 12:24 PM

View PostCurccu, on 16 June 2022 - 12:22 PM, said:

If I understand OP correctly assault mechs just should be _almost_ untouchable by MGs... by damage and crits.


Yeah, I was ignoring that part.

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 12:51 PM

View Postpattonesque, on 16 June 2022 - 09:34 AM, said:

there will be some nerfs upcoming for MGs, from what I understand

that being said, just shoot the light dude

Light pilot detected.

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 01:43 PM

The lcts need that 50% mg rof as do some heavies that have only two mgs. mg rof is the default quirk for gun mechs.

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 02:02 PM

View PostThe Rocketeer, on 16 June 2022 - 06:01 AM, said:

How about to stop this madness with machine guns?
How about to make quirks to all chassis or edit MG's like:

MG's have -75% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on assault mechs.
MG's have -50% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on heavy mechs.
MG's have -25% damage,crit chance, chance to destroy weapons on medium mechs.


What's happening here is that too many pilots have been trained by years of dealing with weak @ss machine guns to ignore that little tink, tink, tink because it used to be irrelevant!

Those days are over!

Now, when you hear that tink, tink, tink of machine gun fire Do Not Ignore It ..you are in mortal danger! Posted Image

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Posted 16 June 2022 - 02:03 PM

View Postpattonesque, on 16 June 2022 - 09:34 AM, said:

there will be some nerfs upcoming for MGs, from what I understand

that being said, just shoot the light dude


They rolled out mg/hmg nerfs a patch or so ago. Both had their crit multi reduced to make them more damage dealers than crit farmers. That leaves lmg as the crit farming class.

What new nerfs are you talking about?





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