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#1 simon1812

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Posted 02 September 2022 - 09:29 PM

the current event is actually pretty fun in ways solaris wasnt before. It is solaris 7 but simple., just click event tag, pick a mech, fight, collect x3 CBs and XP. done!!!

and yes love the steiner coliseum, if you ever think of adding another arena for solaris it has to look like a coliseum of sort , not a mech factory , not ...dagobah or whatever the hell that was. though it would be cool if you revived some of the old solaris arenas from MW4M.

the only thing missing in the current event queue is Duncan Fisher though.

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Posted 03 September 2022 - 07:03 AM

I'd suggest two changes
First, rotating the maps faster (or perhaps random map selection from the S7 list).
Second, using the actual S7 mech divisions (updated accordingly for the new mechs OFC). Otherwise some chassis might be too damn oppressive. Crael, for example, would be perfect Div 1 or Div 2 material where it can compete with top-end heavies and mid-grade assaults.

View Postsimon1812, on 02 September 2022 - 09:29 PM, said:

and yes love the steiner coliseum, if you ever think of adding another arena for solaris it has to look like a coliseum of sort , not a mech factory , not ...dagobah or whatever the hell that was. though it would be cool if you revived some of the old solaris arenas from MW4M.

Steiner Coliseum already exists

Edited by Horseman, 03 September 2022 - 07:05 AM.


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Posted 18 February 2023 - 08:26 PM

View PostHorseman, on 03 September 2022 - 07:03 AM, said:

I'd suggest two changes First, rotating the maps faster (or perhaps random map selection from the S7 list). Second, using the actual S7 mech divisions (updated accordingly for the new mechs OFC). Otherwise some chassis might be too damn oppressive. Crael, for example, would be perfect Div 1 or Div 2 material where it can compete with top-end heavies and mid-grade assaults. Steiner Coliseum already exists

The major reason I am doing this event is it is restricted to one mech class. The divisions in Solaris was mixed classes so a light might go up against a heavy or assault. Each division should be a certain class and type clan or IS.

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Posted 15 March 2023 - 02:15 AM

View PostChound, on 18 February 2023 - 08:26 PM, said:

The divisions in Solaris was mixed classes so a light might go up against a heavy or assault.
Only the lights that actually stood a chance of winning that match-up - see https://mwomercs.com/s7-mech-divisions . Most light mechs were in div 6 and 7 where they would never see anything above a medium. A handful were in div 5 and would go up against lower end heavies and assaults, mostly energy dependent ones that were extremely limited in their firing rates, div 4 had Mist Lynxes, one Urbanmech, a Piranha and a couple Wolfhounds, div 3 had one Piranha and two Wolfhounds and finally Division 2 had three Piranha variants.

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Each division should be a certain class and type clan or IS.
Except it's been shown to not work in every single Solaris Event Queue to date.
When S7 was running, I saw matches where Bushwackers annihilated Kodiaks, where in 2v2 a pair of Wolfhounds could tear apart an Atlas and a Rougneck. Performance is not a direct function of tonnage and never was - not in tabletop, not in previous Mechwarrior games, and definitely not here.
Mechs within any given weight class are not balanced competitively against each other, no matter if you split the techbases or not. Grouping by weight class ends up with a small handful of overperformers dominating most matchups.

Divisions that distributed mechs according to their 1v1 performance gave underperforming chassis a fairer chance to compete compared to just grouping them by tonnage like you advocate. If something vastly under- or over-performed in one division, it gets shifted higher or lower to meet opponents more on its level.
The only "downside" - if it can even be called a downside - is that with that design players wouldn't be able to pick a massively OP chassis and dunk on less experienced opponents running worse rides.





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