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[Quicksilver Aberration]

Sync dropping has been technically possible since the closed beta days back when it used to be used for "comp" drops because private lobbies straight up didn't exist (that was for opposite sides but you can definitely land two four mans on the same side). It isn't fullproof though, but technically is possible. Pretty sure nothing has ever been in the MM that explicitly tried to ensure 4 mans stay separate unless someone can find a quote from PGI that explicitly stated they had that (iirc that's never been a thing).

Edit: Apparently I was wrong and it is a thing (preventing two 4 mans on the same side that is), but unless you are in said 4 man group trying to sync or are on the backend, you probably don't know for sure.

Edited by Quicksilver Aberration, 03 November 2025 - 07:52 PM.

[TheCaptainJZ]

If two 4-mans sync drop, they should land on opposite teams. If a 4-man and a 2-man sync drop, I thought the MM was supposed to put a group on each team first before filling out the rest of the roster.

[LordNothing]

i take a lot of pride in getting kills above my tier or against mwowc players (rarer than headshots but it happens). i cant do that if all i fight are potatoes.

Edited by LordNothing, 06 November 2025 - 01:43 PM.

[Strelok7]

Ah, no biggie, you can destroy them(Tier 1) just as good as any other Tier. If you happen to be on a functional team.

[pbiggz]

Strelok7, on 06 November 2025 - 09:59 PM, said:

Ah, no biggie, you can destroy them(Tier 1) just as good as any other Tier. If you happen to be on a functional team.

you can do work even if you're not.

OP's meltdown about tiers is among other things, a lesson in learned helpessness. Just because you think your opponents are higher tier than you ( a thing you literally cant see in game anyway ) doesnt mean their armour is magically better, or their weapons magically hit harder.

[mayakashiii]

pbiggz, on 07 November 2025 - 08:00 AM, said:

you can do work even if you're not.

OP's meltdown about tiers is among other things, a lesson in learned helpessness. Just because you think your opponents are higher tier than you ( a thing you literally cant see in game anyway ) doesnt mean their armour is magically better, or their weapons magically hit harder.

Their weapons are more focused and coordinated, so is their armor. The amount of games that end 1:12, 3:12 etc. increased over the past few months.

I don't know exactly what happened, but I'm even less interested in starting the game than before. If this continues, the game will end itself in record time. The sad thing is that this really wouldn't be necessary.

[martian]

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

Their weapons are more focused and coordinated, ...

That is why they are in Tier 1.

Other than that, all weapons do exactly the same amount of damage per shot, no matter if used by a Tier 1 player or a Tier 5 player. If I fire Gauss rifle, it does 15 points of damage, just as if a freshly registered Tier 5 player would fired it.

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

... so is their armor.

Tier 1 players cannot put more armor on their 'Mechs than any other MWO player can.

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

The amount of games that end 1:12, 3:12 etc. increased over the past few months.

Dunno. I do not have access to such statistic. Do you?

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

I don't know exactly what happened, but I'm even less interested in starting the game than before. If this continues, the game will end itself in record time. The sad thing is that this really wouldn't be necessary.

That is possible.

[mayakashiii]

martian, on 08 November 2025 - 09:22 AM, said:

That is why they are in Tier 1.

Other than that, all weapons do exactly the same amount of damage per shot, no matter if used by a Tier 1 player or a Tier 5 player. If I fire Gauss rifle, it does 15 points of damage, just as if a freshly registered Tier 5 player would fired it.

Tier 1 players cannot put more armor on their 'Mechs than any other MWO player can.

Dunno. I do not have access to such statistic. Do you?

That is possible.

I clearly wasn't saying that it's about stats. You can expect a T1 player to just be better, far better. More coordinated, focus firing as they often drop in premade groups. Still, I am matched with them as a solo casual. Other casual players are, too. That leads to frustration and threads like this one here.

I don't care if you are fine with the way it is*, lots of players aren't and they are leaving. Like, why are we even discussing this. It has been like that forever and it's a failure in managing the game. Just recently they managed to screw this up even further by opening the tier gates.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that long waiting times suck, but unbalanced matches suck even more?

Edited by mayakashiii, 08 November 2025 - 10:09 AM.

[martian]

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

I clearly wasn't saying that it's about stats.

O.K.

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

You can expect a T1 player to just be better, far better. More coordinated, focus firing as they often drop in premade groups.

This has been the case literally since PGI added premade groups to the Solo Queue in Spring 2020.

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

Still, I am matched with them as a solo casual. Other casual players are, too. That leads to frustration and threads like this one here.

You tell me. They keep matching me with them too.

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

I don't care if you are fine with the way it is*, lots of players aren't and they are leaving. Like, why are we even discussing this. It has been like that forever and it's a failure in managing the game.

As long as there are premades in the Solo Queue is any talk about the matchmaker pointless.

But Cauldron and PGI favor premades. When they toned down the weight limit for premades with the reasoning that they imbalance the game too much, they quickly returned it to the original level and apologized them.

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

Just recently they managed to screw this up even further by opening the tier gates.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that long waiting times suck, but unbalanced matches suck even more?

On the other hand, long waiting times would probably lead to many players getting bored with the long waiting and stop playing. Just like in the Faction Play.

[Drenzul]

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

I clearly wasn't saying that it's about stats. You can expect a T1 player to just be better, far better. More coordinated, focus firing as they often drop in premade groups. Still, I am matched with them as a solo casual. Other casual players are, too. That leads to frustration and threads like this one here.

I don't care if you are fine with the way it is*, lots of players aren't and they are leaving. Like, why are we even discussing this. It has been like that forever and it's a failure in managing the game. Just recently they managed to screw this up even further by opening the tier gates.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that long waiting times suck, but unbalanced matches suck even more?

This is only really true if they are dropping in groups. Not all T1 players call targets etc.
Even if they are, normally half of a pug drop doesn't even have voice turned on so it doesn't help that much.

Most of the matches I see that are 'unbalanced' are because a load of people decide to Nascar and don't really pay attention to the map. Half the time the T1 players are actually the first to die because they look at the map and attempt to counter the enemy nascar, then if the team doesn't support them, they die then the rest of the team gets rolled up from behind.

Generally the games aren't too unbalanced if the teams go head to head unless half the team are complete numpties and run into the enemy team 1 by 1.

Its generally about team co-ordination and the matchmaker can't really tell who is co-ordinating teams and who is actually going to listen to the people trying to co-ordinate.

[a 5 year old with an Uzi]

martian, on 08 November 2025 - 10:41 AM, said:

O.K.

This has been the case literally since PGI added premade groups to the Solo Queue in Spring 2020.

You tell me. They keep matching me with them too.

As long as there are premades in the Solo Queue is any talk about the matchmaker pointless.

But Cauldron and PGI favor premades. When they toned down the weight limit for premades with the reasoning that they imbalance the game too much, they quickly returned it to the original level and apologized them.

On the other hand, long waiting times would probably lead to many players getting bored with the long waiting and stop playing. Just like in the Faction Play.

I don't think there's any really effective way to pressure them to go back to exploring the smaller match size option or I'd be pushing on them. Wait times are still kind of a drag on late weeknights even with open tier valves so... lol. How's that working out?

[pbiggz]

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 07:26 AM, said:

Their weapons are more focused and coordinated, so is their armor. The amount of games that end 1:12, 3:12 etc. increased over the past few months.

I don't know exactly what happened, but I'm even less interested in starting the game than before. If this continues, the game will end itself in record time. The sad thing is that this really wouldn't be necessary.

Skill issue

[mayakashiii]

pbiggz, on 08 November 2025 - 08:35 PM, said:

Skill issue

https://leaderboard....search?u=pbiggz

[pattonesque]

mayakashiii, on 09 November 2025 - 09:34 AM, said:

https://leaderboard....search?u=pbiggz

crucially though, he is not making excuses

[mayakashiii]

pattonesque, on 09 November 2025 - 01:08 PM, said:

crucially though, he is not making excuses

That's fine, me neither. Just observing how the games roll.

[pbiggz]

mayakashiii, on 09 November 2025 - 09:34 AM, said:

https://leaderboard....search?u=pbiggz

yeah im not that great at clicking heads. skill issue. stop posting and go get better than me. It wont be that hard.

[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

Quicksilver Aberration, on 30 October 2025 - 08:33 PM, said:

https://mwomercs.com...v8-post-mortem/


Yeah, they sure know, they even told us. You aren't getting fed like lambs to the slaughter just because you saw a singular tier 1 player, it's not some grand conspiracy, because again, they explicitly told everyone that during low population times the tier gates open sooner.

It's also soup queue which complicates the tier gates a bit since there's nothing stopping a tier 1 player from grouping with a tier 4/5.

Hey, I didnt say it was a grand conspiracy. I said it was a lie. Its not a singular tier 1 player, sometimes its a four man tier 1 group.

Its funny how butt hurt you PGI apologists get when the truth about the game hitting critical mass is brought up for conversation. Thats because your tier 1 and want and need new players to help you gain your 200th mech and a jolly giggle when you dominate the least experienced players in this game. Makes ya feel like a real man huh?

[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

martian, on 03 November 2025 - 09:58 AM, said:

You are right.

I laughed when I read that the OP met just one "top ranked Tier 1 COMP player" (of 12 enemy players) in the game and concluded that "new or not so good casual players are just food for the pros".

Yes, "PGI ABSOLUTELY KNOWS" and PGI actually said that it can happen when the number of active players is low.

The OP does not understand that sometimes it is necessary to put all available players in one bucket so the game can begin.

You laughed because your tier 1. They mentioned it in a passing note with the 8v8 status message. yup buried within all that text. The point is that new players actually think that the tier system works. They think they will have time before facing top players or top player four mans. They dont. They will face alternate account comp players right off the bad and it will increase long before they hit tier 3.
Im glad you laughed, keep laughing right up until the only players left to play are other laughers and your dropping 2vs2.

[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

pbiggz, on 03 November 2025 - 09:31 AM, said:

Gates would have to open.

No two ways about it, this is a niche game with a small population. Its a miracle the matchmaker works as well as it does; bigger studios have done alot worse with alot more money, so any time someone comes out with their chest puffed up declaring taht the matchmaker victimizes them personally and they should do this or that or stop this or that, you should be very skeptical, because they're basically saying they're mad enough to pull the last middle block out of the bottom of the jenga tower, just because they think high teir/group players/monthly boogeymen should suffer.

So if its better than other games or game makers (no proof shown of that) your saying it shouldnt be spoken of because its "a miracle it works"?

Every single one of you guys are tier 1 some with 8 thousand posts. Your troll like satire kinda telegraphs that you know very well that your killing your own player base and dont care.

Reap it buddy, enjoy.

[ARMHOLD MUSCLEHOGGER]

martian, on 30 October 2025 - 09:54 PM, said:

You are so wrong:

Your The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players." is a complete "bullcrap". PGI has not promised us such thing when they unveiled the current match maker.

Actually, some time ago PGI told us explicitly that such thing can happen. Read this official statement:

Conclusion: The only liar in this thread is you. You have created a strawman (The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players.") and now you are fighting it.

Thats not telling us tier 4 can expect tier 1 players, its purposely vague. Your purposely a **** head because you know very well your tier1and dont want to lose your fodder or have to wait for a game.

pbiggz, on 30 October 2025 - 08:52 PM, said:

We're having a normal time i see

lol,..**** off

mayakashiii, on 08 November 2025 - 10:08 AM, said:

I clearly wasn't saying that it's about stats. You can expect a T1 player to just be better, far better. More coordinated, focus firing as they often drop in premade groups. Still, I am matched with them as a solo casual. Other casual players are, too. That leads to frustration and threads like this one here.

I don't care if you are fine with the way it is*, lots of players aren't and they are leaving. Like, why are we even discussing this. It has been like that forever and it's a failure in managing the game. Just recently they managed to screw this up even further by opening the tier gates.

What's so hard to understand about the fact that long waiting times suck, but unbalanced matches suck even more?

Thank you, absolutely correct.

martian, on 30 October 2025 - 09:54 PM, said:

You are so wrong:

Your The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players." is a complete "bullcrap". PGI has not promised us such thing when they unveiled the current match maker.

Actually, some time ago PGI told us explicitly that such thing can happen. Read this official statement:

Conclusion: The only liar in this thread is you. You have created a strawman (The Tier Lie:"Supposedly, tier5 and tier4 players would never have to face tier 1 players.") and now you are fighting it.

I didnt call anyone person a liar. I said the idea was a lie, misinformation and misleading. You are directly calling me a liar which is against the rule here bub.