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[rottigus]

The Jenner for sure! i can use anything for cover to get to the atlas , and the Atlas can't see it's feet or me, so i just stay inside ,nice and close and leg it till i get support , or it falls. Hardest part is getting inside it's zone alive, after that.....

[Lance2500]

I would pick Atlas over Jenner. I was never really a fan of Jenner but I do like an Atlas on occasion.

[Elizander]

Are we talking 1v1 in an open field? Because that practically never happens. An Atlas has very weak long range firepower and that is a given but the scenario where 1 mech walks backwards indefinitely with absolutely no terrain to block or slow them down and where the Atlas has absolutely no cover and has some DIRE reason to chase and get killed from long range is quite unrealistic.

We can all assume that the Atlas pilot is dumb and can't hit the broad side of a barn, but not all Atlas pilots will be cross-eyed and confused newbies that will stand out in the open waiting to get shot by LRMs and PPCs.

[trycksh0t]

If we're talking standard configs, JR7-D and AS7-D, I'll take a Jenner any day of the week. The Atlas is too big of a target and too slow for it's short-range weapon loadout. The AS7-K, on the other hand, is phenomenal and the only Atlas variant I'd ever pilot.

[NotNewHere]

I would like to point out that an atlas costs about 3 times more than a jenner. So to be fair the fight should be 3 jenners vs 1 atlas. (with 7bil + people to choose from pilots aren't worth enough to add to the cost)

[Der BruzZzler von Wiesndoof]

Atlas, cause i like light scout mechs!

[Arnold Carns]

FACEman Peck, on 03 March 2012 - 10:02 PM, said:

Atlas, the one I remember (in MW4 Mercs), it had Gauss and PPC, I'd go with that one, if for last resort. The new one, it's biggest gun is an AC20, with some Medium Lasers, SRM and an LRM. Sadly.

That, what you call "the new one" is in fact "the old one". MW4 was set in the timeline of the FedCom Civil War (3062 - 3067) [and sorrily didn't follow BattleTech closely. There were many Mechs of the canon BT-Universe which couldn't be modeled right in it, i.e. the Summoner/Thor].
MWO is set in the Clan Invasion era (3050-3057) and the Atlas you refer to as "the new one" is the initial/original/whatever-you-call-it AS7-D.
The MW4 Atlas was the... MW4-Atlas. Unfortunately raped by a complement of Developers who wanted MW4 to be more a First Person Shooter... with Mechs.
Sadly, yes! Sadly it is, that your experience of MechWarrior is based on the MW4 Series.
But hopefully isn't anything that MWO couldn't fix!

EDIT: To get on topic, if I choose an Atlas or a Jenner depends on the role I want to fullfill. The Atlas is a mean 'Mech 'O War, with a good bunch of armor and weapons. If just want to crush whatever comes, I'd choose it.

The Jenner is a fast and small target, has Jump Jets, but lacks a hard punch and has a weaker armor. If I want to scout, it would be my first choice!

Search, Hit and Run, supply your team with enemy positons and target data and avoid being shot by the Big Bad Boys as best as you can. And if I'd be given the opportunity, send out some greets to them.

Edited by Arnold Carns, 04 March 2012 - 05:32 AM.

[Alter Ego]

I like mix both, then i have a VTR 9B.. "scout" and firepower...great!!

[SingularityBeast]

Mad Cat Mk 2

[LackofCertainty]

I specifically don't like the jenner, and I've always been a fan of defensive heavy/assault mechs, so I'd take the atlas.


If you're doing a Vs debate, then I just have to say that vs debates are silly, because ideally I'd want an atlas and a jenner so that I'm not waddling around blind and I still have the firepower to kill more than a housecat.

Also, if you're -really- serious about a 1v1 jenner vs atlas fight with default loadouts, of course the atlas is going to win. (baring a massive skill difference between pilots) All it needs is a couple hits from it's LRMs or one hit from it's AC 20. In the meantime, then jenner has to run around like a chicken with it's head cut off, hoping to find a way to climb onto the atlas' rear armor if it wants any chance of surviving the 1v1. If you give the battlefield actual terrain/buildings, then all the atlas needs to do is park with it's back to a building and wait. It's not like the jenner is going to punch through that armor anytime soon, whereas the Atlas just needs one shot.

[renegade mitchell]

Nighthound, on 03 March 2012 - 07:13 PM, said:

Omg, what are we talking about? Bruce Lee vs. Mike Tyson ....poor mikey. Anywho, so tell me how will you defeat a guy that can run circles around you faster then u can turn? Are we talking Sandbox open plain backside of the actual map here? Sure if there are no obsticles you will most likely win. This is not a arena game however so u can not see me comming a mile of and even if you do i will be on a different street by the time your missiles reach the place you shot at. A Jenner is more then twice as fast as you. And I thought we were talking about non modified Mechs here since this is supposed to be IS 3049. And if you can modify your mech so can I and I bet you do not want that! Just picture that same Jenner with one Arm mounted PPC Jumping just high enough to shoot over a building and then be gone for 20 to 30 seconds only to pop up at a totaly different location and repeating the game again and again, how do you think you can hit that? You are to slow to evade that PPC shot and I am to fast to be hit by anything but a Laser ...oh wait there are no Lasers that can shoot at PPC range. I play Battletech for over 13 years now and I played all WechWarrior and MechCommander Titles, I have build some of the most unfair Designs you can think of and I know how to use them. Yeah maybe I am old with my 33 years but I know Battletech and I know that facing an Assault Mech with Light Mech is bad but it can be done, I can't count how man Atlas', Stalkers and what not I killed in a friggin Mongoose or with my P-Hawk given some obsticles. If it comes down to it an Atlas is just a big slow *** target to practice with.

Did you actually read anything I posted?

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My specialty was piloting heavies. I took out many assaults when piloting a heavy. But lost a majority of the time to those that were at my level that piloted an Assault.

Quite honestly, I hate assaults. I prefer heavies, mediums, and lights.
From my quote, IF YOU ARE PILOTING A LIGHT, AGAINST SOMEONE PILOTING AN ASSAULT WITH EQUAL SKILL AS YOU, YOU WILL LOSE.

[renegade mitchell]

Mason Grimm, on 03 March 2012 - 07:18 PM, said:

Again, I disagree. I have played in a few leagues and I know where you are going with that in terms of rational but again I disagree. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm gladdened to see you are so passionate about it; I just happen to think you are in error as is my right to do so

Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one then.

[Pvt Dancer]

I plan on playing every mech, so both. My Fav mech is the Hunchback, and the next ones are Unseen, so I will just wait to see when those bad boys get posted.

[Nik Van Rhijn]

Neither for preferenc, I'm a medium/heavy pilot depending on whats needed. At the moment it would probably be the Hunchback Hopefully we will have the 4P and 4H variants to play with as well.

[Larry Headrick]

I prefer lighter faster mechs the atlas is slow and while having lots of fire power cant get around very fast. If the object of the mission is to destroy the ammo depo the atlas is guarding im gonna be in my Jenner on the other side of it from the Atlas. He can shoot at me, if he doesnt care that he is actually helping me to destroy the depo if he misses.

[Damocles]

Atlas serves all purpose.

[Jumbik]

Damocles, on 04 March 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

Atlas serves all purpose.

He can pick flowers with his hands, dance for childrens on 1st may, take your dogs out and squeze through the chimney as Santa...

No realy, I like Atlas also.

[GargoyleKDR]

Personally I prefer assaults over lights. However, the Atlas isn't my favorite assault in the MWO time period. On the other side of the question, the Jenner is one of the most effective light Mech's in the canon. In answer the OP, I like the Jenner more than the Atlas, but I'll end up going with an assault Mech before I go with a light.

[ChewySmokey]

Probably the Jenner because speed and agility has saved my butt more often than better firepower.

[Felicitatem Parco]

If there are hostile LRM-support units abound, then I'll take the Jenner; Atlas Mechs are easy targets for long-range fire.

If I'm guarding my Commander, then all I need is close-in weapons and lots of armor so I'll take the Bruiser.

Edited by Prosperity Park, 04 March 2012 - 07:30 PM.