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[Riffleman]

I like the design and concept of the catapracht. I feel it could be a fun mech to use. That being said I wont be using it, because on the other side of the field either a gaussapult or streakapult will be spawning to make me regret playing suboptimally.

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well, its not worth handicapping my team. And yes everytime I see a dragon, especially a trial one, on my side I curse that this was the best balance system they could come up with for open beta, and not something better along the lines of battlevalue.

[stjobe]

Well, I guess it's a change from the streak-is-op threads...

[Cpt Grunge]

I love the Cataphract, I get were your coming from but unlike what alot of people say I think it could be a good brawler if you did a bunch of stuff to it. AC/5 and a LBX 10 with 4 medium lasers and jump jets.

[Lefty Lucy]

Riffleman, on 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I like the design and concept of the catapracht. I feel it could be a fun mech to use. That being said I wont be using it, because on the other side of the field either a gaussapult or streakapult will be spawning to make me regret playing suboptimally.

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well, its not worth handicapping my team. And yes everytime I see a dragon, especially a trial one, on my side I curse that this was the best balance system they could come up with for open beta, and not something better along the lines of battlevalue.

They mentioned using MM to balance trial mechs, presumably with a "trial-only" game mode. Honestly, I prefer this idea over any other. Let people in trial mechs fight each other, then once you've saved up enough to customize your own mech it's "big boy" mode, where the game becomes a test of mech-building as well as player skill.

[Adrienne Vorton]

i love the cataphract already...oh and how much i´m gonna love it, when i take my wrenches and skrewdrivers at hand in the mechlab ...rrrrrrrrrr

[Corvus Antaka]

just wait till we get death from above...those gausspults wont like the cataphract then

[Strum Wealh]

Riffleman, on 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I like the design and concept of the catapracht. I feel it could be a fun mech to use. That being said I wont be using it, because on the other side of the field either a gaussapult or streakapult will be spawning to make me regret playing suboptimally.

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well, its not worth handicapping my team. And yes everytime I see a dragon, especially a trial one, on my side I curse that this was the best balance system they could come up with for open beta, and not something better along the lines of battlevalue.

This had come up some time ago...

Strum Wealh, on 06 September 2012 - 03:20 AM, said:

Did it with a CTF-3D Cataphract in REMLAB (with standard Gauss Rifles, because Heavy Gauss Rifles don't exist in-universe yet)...


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Mass: 70 tons
Chassis: Endo-Steel
Armor: Standard, 10.5 tons
CASE (RT)

Powerplant: 280 XL
Walking/Cruising Speed: 43 kph
Running/Maximum Speed: 65 kph
x2 Jump Jets (LL, RL)

Heat Sinks: 10 DHS (20 equivalent)
x4 Medium Lasers (LA, LT, RT, RA)
x2 Gauss Rifles (RA, RT; 4 tons of ammo in RA and LT)
Beagle Active Probe (CT)

**The BAP, or one ton of Gauss Rifle ammo + 0.5 tons of armor, could be replaced with a Guardian ECM Suite, depending on preference.

Your thoughts?

[lsp]

Riffleman, on 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I like the design and concept of the catapracht. I feel it could be a fun mech to use. That being said I wont be using it, because on the other side of the field either a gaussapult or streakapult will be spawning to make me regret playing suboptimally.

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well, its not worth handicapping my team. And yes everytime I see a dragon, especially a trial one, on my side I curse that this was the best balance system they could come up with for open beta, and not something better along the lines of battlevalue.

Drgs can be good, if piloted correctly. Only running boater mechs will not benefit your team if you suck.
there's plenty more of these screenshots if you think this is a one time thing.

Edited by lsp, 04 November 2012 - 05:04 PM.

[Tickdoff Tank]

Riffleman, on 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

I like the design and concept of the catapracht. I feel it could be a fun mech to use. That being said I wont be using it, because on the other side of the field either a gaussapult or streakapult will be spawning to make me regret playing suboptimally.

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well, its not worth handicapping my team. And yes everytime I see a dragon, especially a trial one, on my side I curse that this was the best balance system they could come up with for open beta, and not something better along the lines of battlevalue.

I am almost positive that you will be able to mount 2 Gauss on a Catphract.

[shintakie]

Tickdoff Tank, on 04 November 2012 - 05:17 PM, said:

I am almost positive that you will be able to mount 2 Gauss on a Catphract.

You can, unfortunately they will have 1 in the torso and one in the arm. As far as I'm aware they're both on the right side as well, so if you lose the RT, you lose both guns. This also comes with the lovely issue of it bein a lot harder to put both shots in the same spot due to differin aimin reticles and convergence.

[Riffleman]

lsp, on 04 November 2012 - 05:00 PM, said:

Drgs can be good, if piloted correctly. Only running boater mechs will not benefit your team if you suck.
there's plenty more of these screenshots if you think this is a one time thing.

I know dragons CAN be good, anything can. But a beginner behind a dragon, or behind a gaussapult or streakapult, the catapult wins out on easy of learning curve and use.

Although that screenshot does make me wonder what your build is for a dragon.

[Wingbreaker]

Strum Wealh, on 04 November 2012 - 04:57 PM, said:

This had come up some time ago...


Your thoughts?

Change one gauss to two PPCs, +1HS, Change Mlas to Mplas or two Mlas + 2HS or 2Mlas + ammo. Will require some heat management out of the pilot.

/Why yes, I do turn everything into marauders. Why do you ask?

[Memory]

I'm sorry....I have to say this...if you think catapults are superior to Dragons in any way then you don't know how to mechwarrior. There is not a catapult pilot alive that could defeat my DRG -1C in a trial of possession and I'm not even kidding or exaggerating. If piloting my dragon puts a catapult on the enemy team then that is just an advantage for me because I tear them apart like tissue paper. Don't believe me? I have the stats to prove it. Think I farmed my stats? My company competed in the RHOD preseason and the matches that i participated in we fielded Dragons as our heavies and clean swept the opfor with no losses.

More to the point, the cataphract will make it doubly so as it is everything the dragon is with more armor and JJ.

To reiterate: anybody who is so afraid of catapults that they won't pilot a superior mech like the DRG does not know a damn thing about piloting heavies, or how to defend themselves against other heavies.

You insult me with your ignorance.

[p00k]

Riffleman, on 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well, its not worth handicapping my team.

you're in luck. it can.

[Riffleman]

Memory, on 04 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

I'm sorry....I have to say this...if you think catapults are superior to Dragons in any way then you don't know how to mechwarrior. There is not a catapult pilot alive that could defeat my DRG -1C in a trial of possession and I'm not even kidding or exaggerating. If piloting my dragon puts a catapult on the enemy team then that is just an advantage for me because I tear them apart like tissue paper. Don't believe me? I have the stats to prove it. Think I farmed my stats? My company competed in the RHOD preseason and the matches that i participated in we fielded Dragons as our heavies and clean swept the opfor with no losses.

More to the point, the cataphract will make it doubly so as it is everything the dragon is with more armor and JJ.

To reiterate: anybody who is so afraid of catapults that they won't pilot a superior mech like the DRG does not know a damn thing about piloting heavies, or how to defend themselves against other heavies.

You insult me with your ignorance.

So what is your dragon build you find so superior. Genuinely curious.

[Shalune]

Riffleman, on 04 November 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Unless it can sport 2 gauss riffles as well

Well have I got news for you!

[Glory in the Highest]

Memory, on 04 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

I'm sorry....I have to say this...if you think catapults are superior to Dragons in any way then you don't know how to mechwarrior. There is not a catapult pilot alive that could defeat my DRG -1C in a trial of possession and I'm not even kidding or exaggerating. If piloting my dragon puts a catapult on the enemy team then that is just an advantage for me because I tear them apart like tissue paper. Don't believe me? I have the stats to prove it. Think I farmed my stats? My company competed in the RHOD preseason and the matches that i participated in we fielded Dragons as our heavies and clean swept the opfor with no losses.

More to the point, the cataphract will make it doubly so as it is everything the dragon is with more armor and JJ.

To reiterate: anybody who is so afraid of catapults that they won't pilot a superior mech like the DRG does not know a damn thing about piloting heavies, or how to defend themselves against other heavies.

You insult me with your ignorance.

As a competitive Catapult pilot, I must insist I completely disagree with this entire post. (Except about the Cataphract, it might be totally sweet.)

Edited by Glory, 04 November 2012 - 05:48 PM.

[Riffleman]

I just looked at the dragon 1C, it has 4 energy, 1 missile, 1 balistic.

It might be too early to call, but I feel a disturbance in the troll side.

[Muffinator]

Mmm I can't wait for the cataphract. It might just get me out of my brawling catapult

[Ricama]

Memory, on 04 November 2012 - 05:38 PM, said:

I'm sorry....I have to say this...if you think catapults are superior to Dragons in any way then you don't know how to mechwarrior. There is not a catapult pilot alive that could defeat my DRG -1C in a trial of possession and I'm not even kidding or exaggerating. If piloting my dragon puts a catapult on the enemy team then that is just an advantage for me because I tear them apart like tissue paper. Don't believe me? I have the stats to prove it. Think I farmed my stats? My company competed in the RHOD preseason and the matches that i participated in we fielded Dragons as our heavies and clean swept the opfor with no losses.

More to the point, the cataphract will make it doubly so as it is everything the dragon is with more armor and JJ.

To reiterate: anybody who is so afraid of catapults that they won't pilot a superior mech like the DRG does not know a damn thing about piloting heavies, or how to defend themselves against other heavies.

You insult me with your ignorance.

No, it's a simple observation, random pilots do better in Cats than Dragons. Individual experience does not affect the majority and the majority of Cats eat the majority of Dragons for breakfast. Granted a lot of that is all Cats are purchased and a huge chunk of Dragons are Trials piloted by the new. However even in Beta; after the Dragon lost it's linebacker abilities you had way more Cats than Dragons, and I was never really impressed by the Dragons I did see.

So um, congrats on scaling that learning curve and becoming a successful Dragon pilot I guess, doesn't change trends.

On topic, the biggest concern I have about the Cataphract is the giant cockpit dead center mass. It'll potentially become 3rd on my list for mech I occasionally take headshots at.