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[Knistermann]

Its so easy, bring back the old DHS system with reducing heat by 0.1 in engines and 0.2 heat for the outside heatsinks. It was really nice balanced and for the light mechs the buff is not so big as in the moment.

[Squid von Torgar]

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Its so easy, bring back the old DHS system with reducing heat by 0.1 in engines and 0.2 heat for the outside heatsinks. It was really nice balanced and for the light mechs the buff is not so big as in the moment.

No because that would cripple Assaults who by the nature of having to use crit slots to actually carry weapons they would be better off taking SHS.

With that change you just make DHS useless for everyone with a special focus on breaking several core Assault builds.

Edited by Squid von Torgar, 12 November 2012 - 10:35 AM.

[Marzepans]

fxrsniper, on 12 November 2012 - 10:26 AM, said:

Excuse you no one in our group are idiots I dont thinks its very nice to refer to people that you know nothing about as idiots we are HHoD we dont tolerate people like you

What you are telling us is that you and most of HHoD haven't spotted the obvious flaw in the current implementation of DHS. If your entire clan has missed something this obvious I doubt I'd be in a hurry to join in any event.

[Thuzel]

Knistermann, on 12 November 2012 - 10:32 AM, said:

Its so easy, bring back the old DHS system with reducing heat by 0.1 in engines and 0.2 heat for the outside heatsinks. It was really nice balanced and for the light mechs the buff is not so big as in the moment.

That lowers the total heat cap for DHS too much, which would make them useless for high heat builds.

No mech can ever equip more than 22 - 24 DHS, which means the total heat cap for DHS should be around 44 - 48. With those numbers, you start being able to run ER PPC's and weapons like that.

With the 1.0 EHS limitation, DHS would top out at 34 to 28 heat dissipation, which is too little for things like that. It should be noted that with the 1.4 rule, we have the same limitation.

[fxrsniper]

Thuzel, on 12 November 2012 - 10:05 AM, said:

"Working"

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

Im pretty sure I know exactly what it means Ive built many different variants I know how my heat is.

Marzepans, on 12 November 2012 - 10:34 AM, said:

What you are telling us is that you and most of HHoD haven't spotted the obvious flaw in the current implementation of DHS. If your entire clan has missed something this obvious I doubt I'd be in a hurry to join in any event.

Any day kid this is probably why you aren't even with a group with an attitude like that.

[Clay Pigeon]

2.0 for all please.

[Squid von Torgar]

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What you are telling us is that you and most of HHoD haven't spotted the obvious flaw in the current implementation of DHS. If your entire clan has missed something this obvious I doubt I'd be in a hurry to join in any event.

Ok guys, i really dont want this to turn into a slagging match. Its no wonder that people have missed the Engine 2.0 DHS as they were misinformed in the patch notes. On the flipside there is a wealth of data provided by the community to prove that they are indeed working at 2.0 and not 1.4. Even PGI support agree they are currently working as intended at 2.0 for the engine DHS.

For those that missed the DHS saga, ill paraphrase below

PGI "Great news guys! DHS are now in the game!"

Community "Hang on PGI we have tried them and they arent working as they should. SHS are providing more benefit"

PGI:- "Are you sure? Hmmm Ok we will test"

PGI:- "Ok we have tested and the issue is that DHS in the engine are working as SHS. We will fix this next patch, but we are now worried they will be OP"

PGI:- "Ok we have done more testing and using DHS at the 2.0 value did indeed unbalance things. Therefore we are only boosting them to 1.4. Dont worry though, this is to stop Jenners coring atlai in 3 seconds *shudder*"

Community:- "But that doesnt make sense, but ok whatever"

PGI "New Patch Notes! In the latest patch we put DHS at 1.4, we may change this up or down in the future"

Community:- "Wait a moment, DHS are working better now. After looking at the code and also testing we can see that Engine DHS are working at 2.0. So the patch notes are wrong, whats the deal here PGI?"

PGI:- "..."

Community:- "After a week with DHS at 2.0 in the engine, nothing seems broken except that the builds that require DHS the most arent getting the full benefit, whilst Lights are. Can we try fully working DHS now?

Edited by Squid von Torgar, 12 November 2012 - 10:59 AM.

[Marzepans]

fxrsniper, on 12 November 2012 - 10:40 AM, said:

Im pretty sure I know exactly what it means Ive built many different variants I know how my heat is.

Any day kid this is probably why you aren't even with a group with an attitude like that.

[Amechwarrior]

Lets end this crap:

Video evidence of 2.0 engine DHS in action.



It's broken, but everyone is fine with it. Assaults and heavies get the shaft so just make all DHS 2.0.

Edited by Amechwarrior, 12 November 2012 - 11:00 AM.

[Knistermann]

My assault builds (atlas with mixed weapons like mpls and ac´s or the awesome 9m with mpls/lpls run fine with the old DHS system). High heat builds only with large energy weapons should never make automatic fire.

[Purlana]

So is it intended that DHS work at 2.0 or will we see a "bug fix" soon?

[Marzepans]

Amechwarrior, on 12 November 2012 - 10:58 AM, said:

Lets end this crap:

Video evidence of 2.0 engine DHS in action.



It's broken, but everyone is fine with it. Assaults and heavies get the shaft so just make all DHS 2.0.

No, no, that isn't right. The entire [REDACTED]

Edited by Viterbi, 12 November 2012 - 12:38 PM.
Removed targeted reference

[Squid von Torgar]

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My assault builds (atlas with mixed weapons like mpls and ac´s or the awesome 9m with mpls/lpls run fine with the old DHS system). High heat builds only with large energy weapons should never make automatic fire.

Hmm what about this mech? http://mwomercs.com/.../awesome/aws-9m

It can fire its PPCs together twice before it has to wait 23 seconds to cool down (Other wise you shut down). In total its delivered 60 damage (Thats with DHS as they are currently working)

During that same time a Gaussapult can fire 5 times for 150 damage. Heat is no issue.

If DHS were all 2.0 then it could fire 3 times and it would take 29 Seconds to cool down. In total it has delivered 90 damage

During that same time a Gaussapult can fire 7 times for 210 damage.

I dont really see how DHS will make High heat energy weapons OP. Do you?

Edited by Squid von Torgar, 12 November 2012 - 11:12 AM.

[Bubba Wilkins]

Purlana, on 12 November 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

So is it intended that DHS work at 2.0 or will we see a "bug fix" soon?

That my friend is the BIG question.

Do we get confirmation that things are working as intended now and they were just trying to see if we were paying attention?

- or -

They were not intent on working this way, but the results on the live server seem to indicate everything is great and we'll stick with it!

- or -

Things were not intended to go this way, but now looking at the live data...a full 2.0 across the board is actually viable and will not break gameplay.

- or -

Egads NO! We must swing the nerf bat with all the force possible to bring things back down to 1.4...and deal with the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

PGI hasn't quite stated which way they are leaning.

[fxrsniper]

Marzepans, on 12 November 2012 - 11:08 AM, said:

No, no, that isn't right. The entire HeadHunters clan disagrees

Personal attacks is against the rules just so you know

[Knistermann]

Squid von Torgar, on 12 November 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

Hmm what about this mech? http://mwomercs.com/.../awesome/aws-9m

It can fire its PPCs together twice before it has to wait 23 seconds to cool down (Other wise you shut down). In total its delivered 60 damage (Thats with DHS as they are currently working)

During that same time a Gaussapult can fire 5 times for 150 damage. Heat is no issue.

If DHS were all 2.0 then it could fire 3 times and it would take 29 Seconds to cool down. In total it has delivered 90 damage

During that same time a Gaussapult can fire 7 times for 210 damage.

I dont really see how DHS will make High heat energy weapons OP. Do you?

Ppc´s need love from Pgi, but mpls builds with 0.2 headsinks are too strong. And against the gauss, did u see how big and heavy the gauss is? And the gauss has a very low dps for such a big gun.

[Thuzel]

Bubba Wilkins, on 12 November 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

That my friend is the BIG question.

Do we get confirmation that things are working as intended now and they were just trying to see if we were paying attention?

- or -

They were not intent on working this way, but the results on the live server seem to indicate everything is great and we'll stick with it!

- or -

Things were not intended to go this way, but now looking at the live data...a full 2.0 across the board is actually viable and will not break gameplay.

- or -

Egads NO! We must swing the nerf bat with all the force possible to bring things back down to 1.4...and deal with the wailing and gnashing of teeth.

PGI hasn't quite stated which way they are leaning.

Well put, and therein lies a big chunk of the problem. No one knows whats going to happen, so why try to optimize your build and spend money and effort on it only to get slapped down in a week or two.

I know! Why Don't we all just use gauss rifles?

[Marzepans]

fxrsniper, on 12 November 2012 - 11:22 AM, said:

Personal attacks is against the rules just so you know

It can hardly be considered a personal attack when you are claiming to represent an entire Clan Not only that, but you are claiming your entire clan haven't spotted something as basic as the current implementation of DHS

[fxrsniper]

Marzepans, on 12 November 2012 - 11:27 AM, said:

It can hardly be considered a personal attack when you are claiming to represent an entire Clan Not only that, but you are claiming your entire clan haven't spotted something as basic as the current implementation of DHS

Your point is what I made a statement you turned it into an attack

[Academus]

The three hardest words to say: I was wrong

It applies to so many; PGI and some more.