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[Blood Prophet]

Since the new patch i get wipe out in record time by anything that has missile or ballistic weapon. On a cat k-2, whit 350 armor, I got hit at full armor by 2 canon projectile, for a sec i get a critical hit message and it's game over. Next mach i get hit by 3 salvo or SSRM and i jest drop..no warning for critical..no armor getting red..noting. But if i fight a energy weapon opponent..everything is normal, meaning it has to hit for a fairly amount of time to get me killed. I will make a recording next time.. but this is really ,annoying..it seems to me that it something really mest up whit the critical hits.

[XtremeLord]

dont worry, its normal for free player, being destroyed without internal damage
hundreds of player feel the same too

[Tokra]

XtremeLord, on 21 November 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

dont worry, its normal for free player, being destroyed without internal damage
hundreds of player feel the same too

Does not make it better or "fun" for new players.
If it is this way, its no way to gain new player to the game. Problem of missing ELO / Ranking system. New players get smashed by vets in full custom mechs .

Sadly as longer they need for the phase 2 and 3 (Group queue and ranking) as more player MWO lose because of this missing feature.

And OP is not even a new player, if he is driving a K2 (unless this one is Trial now, not sure).

Got you killed from front or back? If there was a scout in your back, he can maybe oneshot you. A Jenner with 2 Large lasers will open your back really fast.

Edited by Tokra, 21 November 2012 - 06:27 AM.

[Sprouticus]

XtremeLord, on 21 November 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

dont worry, its normal for free player, being destroyed without internal damage
hundreds of player feel the same too

Areyou on crack. This is NOT supposed to happen. If you are being hit through armor, you need to report it.

OP:
Is it possible you are getting hit in the back? Remember, back torso shares internals witth the front, so a shot in the back would look like your internals on the front were damaged while still having armor.


There WAS a bug a few patches back where some people were seeing through armor hits, but it was really rare.

[Yanlowen Cage]

Noticed that alot of people are not getting their paper doll updated as they take damage or getting rocking and such from long range sniping. Sniped the left torso/arm off an atlas last night 1000m with a guass rifle. I fired repeated shots at him til I took it off. He stated in the match that "all the sudden my left torso and arm went red and blew off" SO it could be how damage is registering for you in game. Alot of people are also dying ftp and paying players with the "I still have armor and I am dead thing" Again the paper doll not updating and your actually cored? I don't know. maybe. Also I ahve died quite frequently with armor still on, and it looks like a thru armor crit. again maybe it's the paper doll not updating.

Edited by Yanlowen Cage, 21 November 2012 - 07:02 AM.

[Blood Prophet]

Nope..it was a cataphract. And i seen it hapening a few times..for exempel i was falowing a cataphact, (same team), a hunchack pops up from a corner, cataphact start shoting, 4 rounds i tink, and hunchbach is dead. Whit my cat i have o hit whit all my 4 large laser at least 2 times, in the same spot..and MAYBE..i get the same efect. 80% of the time i have to rip a hunch to peces before he is dead. I been playng for a copel of weeks, not on expert but not a compleet noob. And before the pach it took a lot more punishment to get my cat.

Hmm.. On the other side...before the pach they were less canon in use. Now everybody and their dog has a canon strap on. Still i tink is ridiculos to get wipe out so fast. No point in using lasers...i.ll jest strap a pear of canons too and join the party.. .

Edited by Blood Prophet, 21 November 2012 - 09:46 AM.

[Henry Pride]

Got that yesterday too. Got killed through closed Armor, and i dont know WHAT hit me there...

[Child3k]

I don't know if the same applies for me. But yesterday right after patch in my first game, I fielded my awesome and got hit and killed by a Cataphract within two hits. I don't know if it just were cockpit hits or something - but the player who killed me, and myself were surprised about it. We had a short but nice chat while we waited for the game to end ...

[JayVrb]

What mech are you in? There's a good chance they are drilling your cockpit which can be game over fast for anyone.

[Blood Prophet]

OK.... i.m 70% sure now that is jest Cataphract whit aoutocanons that have some caind of problem. An atlas it took me apart before kiling me..Cataphract finishes me in les then 5 sec...I'm not crazy...wtf???..1 salvo of autocanons and i.m dead. NOT ONE TIME GOT PARTS OF MY CATAPULT BLOWN OFF!! Any other wepon on any other mech it takes the normal cycle to kill me:
-red armor
-warning for critical.
-most of the times some body parts flyng off (somtimes armor, other times arms etc.)
-game over.
It gets to the point that if i see a Cataphract i run like crazy. If we get to close for doge manuvers the hole deal is over in under 5 sec. I don.t care what you say, 2 autocanon can do that much damage so fast!!! And if they do any other wepon in the game is oficial usles!!
My opinion any whay.

[Taron]

Guess they raised the chance of getting a crit hit by accident ...

[SirWibble]

Another K2 user here.

Been playing for about a week now so i dont know all there is to know, but i have been having a relatively succesful time using lasers and then later PPC's (ping of 300 be damned) and loving it mostly. Usually died in rounds but would have 5-6 assists and play hero shield for damaged buddies.

Then this happened the other night. My friend and i in our cats (fresh spawn,endo steel, ferro armour) were sneaking through the tunnel on the snowy map. we emerged to see a Cataphract in front of us about 400m away.. in a split second he fires his auto cannons TWICE and i go to third person mode and explode.... my friend followed me shortly after. Even an atlas point blank has never pulled that off in our few days playing, we were stunned.

This continued to happen. I am seeing more and more people switch to the cataphract with what i believe are AC20's? and less and less of any other type of weapon, which could be attributed to the the fact that its shiny and new but far more likely that its a no brainer game winner. every other mech in the game is terrified of cataphracts, and im starting to get bored by rounds coming down to "which team has (more) OP spam cannon Cataphracts" more often than not

/endrant

Please think about some balance devs,

(and the 15% increase in possibilty of jam ive heard about, is a minute step in the right direction)

Edited by SirWibble, 22 November 2012 - 01:56 PM.

[Nikko Cortez]

What you are experiencing is you getting head shot. If you are running in a jenner or a CAT you are the most vulnerable. Every mech has a max of 18 armor on the head unit, its just the placement that makes it easier on those mechs. Its a very balanced system as it does still require a lot of skill to target a head shot in in the heat of battle. Its an advantage and a weakness we all have on the field.

I currently roll in a K2 with dual AC 20s and yes I am one of those guys that make others write threads like this. I have one shotted (as both ac20s are linked for me) multiple jenners, commandos, and cats. But again its only a 1 out of 10 chance I get one. It takes skill to do it.

Edited by Nikko Cortez, 22 November 2012 - 02:21 PM.

[Roland]

You are driving a k2.
You have a huge head.

There are many mechs which can do enough damage to kill you in one shot through your head. I have a cataphract specifically designed for this that has a 50 point alpha from 1000 meters.

[Nyx]

Ive seen a similar issue this morning. I was playing my Phract with 4 lg lasers and got into a 1 v 1 with a hunchback. both of us near fresh. the guy ends up killing me (he had 2 srm6) and he ran away with only orange dmg in his center torso. I nailed him at least 10 volleys of 4 lrg lasers.

Next match I play my Cat A1 with 4 streaks and I toasted 4 laser based mechs. The OP is correct that ballistics and missles seem to kill faster than lasers, that lasers seem to have a weakened effect.

And before anyone posts 'lasers have have the full duration on the target to deal out their full dmg' yeah, I know. While lasers are money makers for lack of re-arming, the projectiles are the way to go for kills. If I want to win a match, I dont use lasers.

[DisasterTheory]

XtremeLord, on 21 November 2012 - 06:20 AM, said:

dont worry, its normal for free player, being destroyed without internal damage
hundreds of player feel the same too

It happens to ALL players... free or paid..... Your Misinformed.

[Mongoose Trueborn]

SirWibble, on 22 November 2012 - 01:48 PM, said:

Another K2 user here.

Been playing for about a week now so i dont know all there is to know, but i have been having a relatively succesful time using lasers and then later PPC's (ping of 300 be damned) and loving it mostly. Usually died in rounds but would have 5-6 assists and play hero shield for damaged buddies.

Then this happened the other night. My friend and i in our cats (fresh spawn,endo steel, ferro armour) were sneaking through the tunnel on the snowy map. we emerged to see a Cataphract in front of us about 400m away.. in a split second he fires his auto cannons TWICE and i go to third person mode and explode.... my friend followed me shortly after. Even an atlas point blank has never pulled that off in our few days playing, we were stunned.

This continued to happen. I am seeing more and more people switch to the cataphract with what i believe are AC20's? and less and less of any other type of weapon, which could be attributed to the the fact that its shiny and new but far more likely that its a no brainer game winner. every other mech in the game is terrified of cataphracts, and im starting to get bored by rounds coming down to "which team has (more) OP spam cannon Cataphracts" more often than not

/endrant

Please think about some balance devs,

(and the 15% increase in possibilty of jam ive heard about, is a minute step in the right direction)

There is a very good chance that it was me that killed you. Please keep standing still on hills. It saves me ammo.

[Vovochka404]

It's not a ctf, it is uac.
I set my k2 to use uac5 and now i have chance...

uac5 - is to imba now. No other weapon needed. And i laugh at threads where people complaining about streaks... Looks like they didn't met dual uac5 mechs...

Edited by Vovochka404, 22 November 2012 - 07:30 PM.

[Adrienne Vorton]

catapult got ninjanerfed me thinks... it´s a papermech since a week or so... no matter if the armor is maxed or not...it just dies unless it stays out of combat...

[Mr Steik]

Cats cockpit for hit location seems to be on the end of their nose, not where the small window is just up from it. Cats and Cataphracts are insanely easy to cockpit but it does seem to be easier to CP the cat after the patch that brought us the Cataphract.