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[Psikez]

TruePoindexter, on 02 January 2013 - 06:57 PM, said:

A simple example of how thermal vision can obscure details - Guessl which direction the Atlas is facing:


Obviously if you've been tracking him for awhile you'd know but assume that you just turned and this is your first view of him. It's not that it's impossible to tell - it's just easier if your normal vision is clear.

I don't like heat vision, use it for extreme range target acquisition and then its promptly turned off.

[Blackened1]

actually thats easy

the atlas is firing upon the friendly catapault, which appears to be larger than the atlas, therefore it is closer to you, the altas torso is facing forwards to your right

also

a quick glance at the radar shows the direction the atlas legs are facing...

Edited by Blackened1, 02 January 2013 - 07:04 PM.

[Lancer Deistler]

Blackened1, on 02 January 2013 - 06:50 PM, said:

I never use either, even on River City Night. I never have a problem spotting mechs, shooting mechs, or killing mechs.

If you target the mech you're shooting at, it brings up a big red square around it and tells you what chassis it is. When you shoot it, the target mech glows. How hard is it to find the centre of the mech and shoot it? /end sarcasm mode

Were you the one who constantly ppc'd the wall in front of him with normal vision in river city night?

Edited by Lancer Deistler, 03 January 2013 - 03:50 AM.

[Joseph Mallan]

Reason #1
The Larch

Reason #2
You don't want to see in Blue

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The Larch

[xxx WreckinBallRaj xxx]

As I said in a previous thread, Thermal is much better than Night Vision, thus there's no reason not to take Thermal over Night Vision in every dark city match. You can't see the environment as well, but that's a moot point once you know the map well. What matters is having the enemies stand out clear as day and always having easy tracking on them. Night Vision doesn't do this. This is because it's not a combat vision mode. It's a travel/explore vision mode... in a game that has nothing but small scale arena PvP matches. You might use it a few times for a few seconds to look around in between fights, but as soon as you get close to the action, you'll switch to Thermal if you're smart.

They could have made this mode better though. NV has blinding light on the buildings for no apparent reason. And the grounds are too dark. They really need to adjust the brightness on everything.

[Joseph Mallan]

Blu The "blinding" could be cause your Mech is emitting inferred beams which is bouncing back. It was how night vision worked a few decades ago...
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If there wasn't enough ambient light we used a IR emitter to give us light. Counter intuitive I know as the enemy night vision could see our beams. But the military has never had a rep for being to smart...

[Barghest Whelp]

You know, I use it a lot when sniping, but when I'm in my close range brawler I use normal vision. I don't really have a problem with how heat vision works compared to normal vision, but I have a problem with how it trumps night vision in every way.

Either HV needs a nerf, or NV needs a boost. As it stands, I don't see many reasons for using NV above HV. When things get a bit too bright (like a mech getting glowing hot from taking a lot of damage), it hurts my eyes in NV. HV does not suffer from this problem.

Normal vision is good because when there's a lot of mechs battling it out things tend to get a bit blurry and it'shard to see which are enemies and wich ones are friends using HV. NV does very little to help with this, which just makes NV inferior in every way in my opinion.

[Jungle Rhino]

Thermal vision is incredibly useful, but has drawbacks as has been mentioned.

It is hard to tell at a glance which way things are oriented (espeically if ECM is knocking out radar) - and if there is a big furball going on you don't know which mech is closer or further away - i.e. you could be shooting a freindly in the back rather than the enemy behind it. You also can't tell what type of lasers are being fired (med vs large) which is helpful to know. I find it also makes it harder to aim for specific locations on a mech at close range - I run AC/20s quite frequently and I find it easier to lead effectively when not in thermal mode. You can see their legs better also which is critical for figuring out which direction an enemy mech is actually moving in (again for leading ballistics). So at close range in a night map I will often switch to NV as you can see a lot more detail with more clarity.

Of course at long range thermal is fantastic for quickly aquiring targets. (until somebody sneaky starts hiding in the thermal plumes )

[Apoc1138]

Bluten, on 03 January 2013 - 03:47 AM, said:

As I said in a previous thread, Thermal is much better than Night Vision, thus there's no reason not to take Thermal over Night Vision in every dark city match. You can't see the environment as well, but that's a moot point once you know the map well. What matters is having the enemies stand out clear as day and always having easy tracking on them. Night Vision doesn't do this. This is because it's not a combat vision mode. It's a travel/explore vision mode... in a game that has nothing but small scale arena PvP matches. You might use it a few times for a few seconds to look around in between fights, but as soon as you get close to the action, you'll switch to Thermal if you're smart.

They could have made this mode better though. NV has blinding light on the buildings for no apparent reason. And the grounds are too dark. They really need to adjust the brightness on everything.

did you even read the OP?
the OP is asking if you use thermal vision more than NORMAL vision, not night vision

[Marcus Tanner]

I don't use custom user configuration settings. The thermal option is a blurry piece of junk for me, so I usually go normal vision.

Their night vision could do with being much sharper.

[Cato Phoenix]

Generally only use it to pick up targets or get a bit more range on the night map.

Rarely ever use it otherwise because its more ugly and ruins all definition of the terrain and the enemy mechs.

[John MatriX82]

I use heatvision a lot, but besides river city night (where nightvision glow is so high it hurts me and I find thermal much more comfortable), I tend to use it to snipe or to gather intel about where the enemy is heading, then fall back using normal vision into combat.

Using thermal all the time isn't helpful at focusing enemy mech sections at all imho..

[DogmeatX]

If you use it for long enough and stare for long enough, eventually strange things like this happens with Commandos and things..

[The Basilisk]

If you want to do some precise shooting use heatvision for spoting and normal sight for precise shoots. Every mech got its weak spots. The blur caused through heat vision makes it difficult to distinguish details of the mech.