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[nksharp]

Just something I've noticed is that I never have a lot of fun when I play in my 3l but that is arguably the most OP light mech you could play right now. My jenner was fine up until they nerfed jump jets completely so that you can't even go over low walls unless you dedicate tons to it.

Once this elo rating thing comes out I don't think think you will be able to play 8v8s against the team you want to drop against effectively killing any remaining competitiveness to this game. Basically, I'm just hoping for one day to have fun playing this game again without relying on cheese mechanics like ecm.

[Havyek]

You should consider reading the Ask the Devs post, specifically the post where Garth addresses questions of a possible lobby so that people can choose who they drop against, select maps etc etc.

[nksharp]

I'll believe it when I see it. Anything they say I take with a grain of salt since it takes them months to implement anything. I just hope by then not everyone has left.

(hmm, I'm also from Barrie).

[Kunae]

BDU Havoc, on 23 January 2013 - 08:33 AM, said:

You should consider reading the Ask the Devs post, specifically the post where Garth addresses questions of a possible lobby so that people can choose who they drop against, select maps etc etc.

It's my feeling that this is a pipe-dream, that we won't see before September, if ever.

[Frostiken]

The Raven was always my favorite mech. And it's broken OP in this game. It was broken OP in MWLL until they nerfed the crap out of its loadouts.

1) Super tiny spindly frame. Good luck hitting those legs.

2) Shittons of armor, on a super tiny spindly frame. Allegedly there's a damage transfer bug but that will not help until the Raven is almost dead anyway. This 'frame' issue is one of the biggest problems with Mechwarrior games. The Raven has, without a doubt, the highest density of armor, while the Awesome has probably the lowest. There were huge problems in MWLL, many never addressed, concerning armor density, with some mechs like the Kit Fox being deathtraps due to their huge boxy bodies, and other mechs like the Shadowcat being almost unkillable.

3) ECM. ECM has always been the most broken overpowered thing in Mechwarrior. I don't know anyone who would NOT take it given the chance. This is entirely down to its terrible implementation and the problem with a liquid environment like Mechwarrior, versus the somewhat static, deliberate gameplay of the tabletop. ECM needs a huge reworking even if it means breaking the game rules - ESPECIALLY if it means breaking the game rules. If ECM is going to remain as powerful as it is now, as powerful as it was in MW4 and MWLL, it needs to weigh a lot more and generate heat.

4) Massively fast, solid loadout options, and tons of armor. On a super tiny spindly frame.


The Raven has quite literally everything going for it.

Edited by Frostiken, 23 January 2013 - 08:36 AM.

[Alex Warden]

i just started playing jenners a few days ago, after all the statements you can´t play them anymore... i was curious...


and i´m having a blast proving those statements wrong

4MLAS>2ssrm´s... only problematic if the raven pilot is actually good and can use other weapons effectively too...luckily lately the good raven pilots are a minority

Edited by Alex Warden, 23 January 2013 - 08:39 AM.

[Green Mamba]

Quit playing STREAKS if you want to quit becoming bored

[nksharp]

Green Mamba, on 23 January 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Quit playing STREAKS if you want to quit becoming bored

Then you die to everyone else using it and that is just frustrating. Can still basically one on one a raven with a jenner to some extent but the ecm is annoying to deal with and more then likely they have friends.

I had a match the other day where I got 7 kills in my ecm raven, its just silly op.

Alex Warden, on 23 January 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

i just started playing jenners a few days ago, after all the statements you can´t play them anymore... i was curious...

and i´m having a blast proving those statements wrong

You can still play a jenner fine, its just that an equally skilled raven would most likely kill an equally skilled jenner pilot.

Edited by nksharp, 23 January 2013 - 08:39 AM.

[Frostiken]

Green Mamba, on 23 January 2013 - 08:36 AM, said:

Quit playing STREAKS if you want to quit becoming bored

Previously we had two lights - the commando, and the Jenner. The Commando was extremely fast yet lightly armored, the Jenner was more durable and well-armed, but has a fairly fat body overall, making it an easy target.

With the addition of ECM making it a pain to track things and the Spider and Raven being very fast and extremely hard to hit chassis, Streaks are almost necessary. This problem is compounded by the fact that 75% of our maps force us into point-blank knife fight battles.

At least in previous games, lights could be picked off at long range. Good luck with that now. Any battle immediately and always closes in to sweaty robot **** punching.

[nksharp]

Frostiken, on 23 January 2013 - 08:39 AM, said:

With the addition of ECM making it a pain to track things and the Spider and Raven being very fast and extremely hard to hit chassis, Streaks are almost necessary. This problem is compounded by the fact that 75% of our maps force us into point-blank knife fight battles.

Plus given how long you can maintain a lock with ssrms is disgusting to say the least. You can literally go around buildings and still keep a lock.

[Havyek]

The only "problem" with the Raven as it sits is the hitboxes. Once they start registering all the damage that they should be taking they'll die a lot faster.

[Penance]

I was playing my founders atlas last night, promptly surrounded by a raven 3l, and 2 commandos.

I felt like i was at the *** light parade...just running around me, teleporting everywhere, not registering what I percieved as direct hits due to lag.

[nksharp]

Well, hopefully they just add in knockdowns again and this will mostly sort itself out since all the bad pilots will essentially kill themselves.

Just my rant for the day, time to go play some other games (path of exile soon finally).

[Green Mamba]

nksharp, on 23 January 2013 - 08:38 AM, said:

Then you die to everyone else using it and that is just frustrating. Can still basically one on one a raven with a jenner to some extent but the ecm is annoying to deal with and more then likely they have friends.

I had a match the other day where I got 7 kills in my ecm raven, its just silly op.




You can still play a jenner fine, its just that an equally skilled raven would most likely kill an equally skilled jenner pilot.

This is why they need to be rebalanced along with ECM...STreaks were OP well before ECM was added ,I don't play streaks after putting them on my Raven for 1 Match and I got 3 Kills 1st Time using them and most importantly I did not have fun using them..This is why people get discouraged in the game who go up against them.

JUST SAY NO TO STREAK ****

edit* Seriously ... R A P E is filtered?

Edited by Green Mamba, 23 January 2013 - 08:56 AM.

[Morang]

Unlocking basics on SDR-5K now. Well.. trying to force myself to unlock. Ask me about fun.

[DegeneratePervert]

Just ran a few games last night in my Founder's Jenner, and it was awesome. I just removed my streaks and put on an SRM-6. 800+ damage average. I will say, however, that a Raven pilot would slaughter me, unless I got the drop on him.

[Green Mamba]

DegeneratePervert, on 23 January 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

Just ran a few games last night in my Founder's Jenner, and it was awesome. I just removed my streaks and put on an SRM-6. 800+ damage average. I will say, however, that a Raven pilot would slaughter me, unless I got the drop on him.

Yes I die all the time from Streaks , but I refuse to use them..I actually increased my Rear armor where it is pretty close to my Front Armor it does help some...

I actually chose a Cicada now to keep the enemy Team from having another ECM STREAK LIght mech. I had my RAvens to Master to

Edited by Green Mamba, 23 January 2013 - 09:03 AM.

[JudgeDeathCZ]

As you can see from my sig I am mainly LRM player on hvy/Assault mechs.And when I am piloting my commando 2D with 3 streaks and 1 SLas I feel like I am cheating and game is far easier than in hvy or Assault mech.Almost nothing can touch me and I can deal a quite of punch of dmg(in 1 match 600 dmg and 5 kills with lightest mech LoL).

ECM+Lagshield=OP and you dont even need to be skilled light pilot.I am proof of that.

[Green Mamba]

JudgeDeathCZ, on 23 January 2013 - 09:04 AM, said:

As you can see from my sig I am mainly LRM player on hvy/Assault mechs.And when I am piloting my commando 2D with 3 streaks and 1 SLas I feel like I am cheating and game is far easier than in hvy or Assault mech.Almost nothing can touch me and I can deal a quite of punch of dmg(in 1 match 600 dmg and 5 kills with lightest mech LoL).

ECM+Lagshield=OP and you dont even need to be skilled light pilot.I am proof of that.

Take the ECM off your Commando and you would still get 15 point ALPHA that ALWAYS hits...There is a Reason PRE ECM STREAKCATS were OP..ECM does compound the problem but Streaks have never been weak..

I don't know what will happen when when the Clan streaks arrive,surely there has to be a limit

[Windsaw]

The problem did not start with ECM, it just made it worse.
I piloted Commandos since the beginning of the game and had loads, loads of fun.
Being forced to mount streaks in order to survive felt like bugusing, but I could live with it at first.
When ECM came, so many lights popped up that almost all carried streaks. So the streak Commando became mandatory. A build that I never wanted to use to begin with.
Further, with ECM I have less roles to play.

I tried using my other builds but that way I become a liability and the only games that were fun with them were those few when no ECM-streak on the other side targeted me during the whole fight.

Too many "If"s.
Basically, before each match I have to decide if I want to play an efficient but bugusing game or if I want to play a game where I have to fear being spotted by another light. (since I don't intend to just stand around and hide this is bound to happen sooner or later if there is an enemy streak-light)

I continued playing until I mastered a Centurion. But Cents are just not my favourite. Since then I have mostly stopped playing, waiting for something to change.

That waiting time was interrupted for a day when I tried to find out if it is indeed possible to compete against streak-lights with a non-streak build. After testing for some hours I came to the conclusion that the only thing that can save them from them is if they are incompetent players or just luck. I don't believe those anymore that say they can compete against streak-builds in a non-streak build light. And that's coming from someone who used to train in his Commando in closed beta until he didn't have to fear Jenners anymore. (without using streaks)

Edited by Windsaw, 23 January 2013 - 09:43 AM.