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[Karl Streiger]

Just to get some data for my latest research:

When you are shooting at a target...you made 10 shots.... how often are you able to hit a specific location.
I know it is hard to say - and i still duno how to compare Laser with SRM with LRM with AC.
Because its more easy to hit a fast moving Jenner with a Laser as with a AC.

Its subjectiv.

When you are firing a salvo of 5 weapons...this is considered as 5 shots.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 25 March 2013 - 06:34 AM.

[Deathlike]

You have to be specific at what weapon you are using. If it is with lasers, then my responses are pretty accurate (very high for all of the provided options).

For the most part, it depends a lot on the weapon used to shoot the target with. It's easier to shoot a non-moving target with SRMs of course...

[Karl Streiger]

Deathlike, on 25 March 2013 - 06:32 AM, said:

You have to be specific at what weapon you are using. If it is with lasers, then my responses are pretty accurate (very high for all of the provided options).

Ah got it. Because it is not very challenging to hit a 140ph Jenner with SSRM or Laser at all.

So lets say you are using ballistics or PPCs.

[Deathlike]

Karl Streiger, on 25 March 2013 - 06:34 AM, said:

Ah got it. Because it is not very challenging to hit a 140ph Jenner with SSRM or Laser at all.

So lets say you are using ballistics or PPCs.

For ballistics... extraordinarily easy vs Atlas RT. It is semi-difficult vs side torsos of a Cata (usually, they are moving, so their sides tend to get the hit).

Jenners... I get lucky occasionally, so unless they are charging @ me, I have a 50-50 shot of getting it right. I chain fire ERPPCs for that reason alone, because a miss hurts me a lot more (and I end up shutting down as a consequence). It does take a while to get a handle at shooting light mechs (including the Raven, before its leg hitboxes were adjusted)..

Edited by Deathlike, 25 March 2013 - 06:45 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Deathlike, on 25 March 2013 - 06:45 AM, said:

For ballistics... extraordinarily easy vs Atlas RT. It is semi-difficult vs side torsos of a Cata (usually, they are moving, so their sides tend to get the hit).

Jenners... I get lucky occasionally, so unless they are charging @ me, I have a 50-50 shot of getting it right. I chain fire ERPPCs for that reason alone, because a miss hurts me a lot more (and I end up shutting down as a consequence). It does take a while to get a handle at shooting light mechs (including the Raven, before its leg hitboxes were adjusted)..

Exactly that is what I'm expecting. I expect a "player-probabiliy" of roughly 70% to hit the side torso of a atlas. more less for the side torso of the CPLT...because its so "small" to hit.
Jenner - hell you could be lucky to hit it - or you have to be a darn good shooter

[Deathlike]

Well, when they started recording stats, my ERPPC hit % is @ 45%. I'm very much a high volume, low acc shooter, so having it being pretty low overall, with respect to a Jenner, is a miracle within itself.

[focuspark]

Deathlike, on 25 March 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Well, when they started recording stats, my ERPPC hit % is @ 45%. I'm very much a high volume, low acc shooter, so having it being pretty low overall, with respect to a Jenner, is a miracle within itself.

I'm more accurate than you, but I also tend to not bother trying to hit lights with projectile weapons unless I absolutely have to. IMO ballistic and PPC fire is for Hvy and Assault class mechs.

[Deathlike]

focuspark, on 25 March 2013 - 03:43 PM, said:

I'm more accurate than you, but I also tend to not bother trying to hit lights with projectile weapons unless I absolutely have to. IMO ballistic and PPC fire is for Hvy and Assault class mechs.

I shoot a bit more recklessly trying to snipe... I'm a little more calculated if the target is closer... light mechs never make life easy.

[Xerxys]

I voted by using PPCs, but they have a bit of a hit registration bug atm from what I'm seeing on the forums. The tricked out Jenner I can hit about 60% of the time, but only at long range or close range. Too close and I can't even see the damned things so don't bother firing. I usually just wait through the abuse for them to overheat if too close and pop them when they're shut down. It's also hard to hell where I actually hit with a PPC because of the splash damage so I'm guessing as best I can. I'd like to use my general stat with the weapon, but before I knew they were tracking stats I was merrily popping off shots on my way to the actual battle zone.

[Seox]

Am I the only one here who is missing the ranges....? If there aren't ranges here, that's kind of a massive deal that has a huge effect on the results.

Secondly, I think that most of the people here are sorely overestimating their accuracy; In all my time playing, I have learned that people just are not accurate, and at any range that these weapons' ranged components would be valued (500m+~) people miss. A lot. If so many people could land 7, 8, 9, 10 out of 10 shots, I'd be dead a million times faster in my matches, so I suspect that there's a bit of a reluctance or lack of awareness that people are only hitting 2, 3 times out of 10. Angle, too, is ignored. There are not people who can hit the LT or RT of a catapult facing them straight on at 500m 7~ times out of 10, yet nearly half of those who responded are claiming that they can. You cannot convince me of this. I've been here since CB and dare say I have mastery of this game and understanding of the capabilities of its playerbase. However, if the catapult is facing 90 degrees perpedicular to you, almost anyone could hit the side torso with at least reasonable accuracy. These are important measures of objectivity, and without them, you cannot draw conclusions from the data you receive.

Furthermore, I've already seen you take this unofficial and highly subjective thread that doesn't appear to use units of range and turn it against convergence with a sample size of ten, admitting that that's small, but drawing conclusions and assuming it valid. (Admittedly, I'm not entirely sure it was you, and if not, then we've got someone running around who doesn't get science The guy said something about making a thread and "getting the results he expected even though he knew it was only like 10 people, so it must have been true") That's really awful scientific practice and holds 0 water.

Karl Streiger, on 25 March 2013 - 02:12 AM, said:

Just to get some data for my latest research:

This is really really bad research ><

Not here to sound mean, I'm just telling you what I'm noticing Dx

Edited by Seox, 26 March 2013 - 02:55 AM.

[Karl Streiger]

Seox, on 26 March 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

This is really really bad research ><

Not here to sound mean, I'm just telling you what I'm noticing Dx

You are right at all. Look I just wanted to got some figures. 17 members are not 100 - maybe because of the lacking specifications.
But it is highly subjective - and direction of the target, range etc. they are all important. And it is clear that i can't hit the right torso of the atlas when shooting from his left side.

So if you mind...all targets but the Jenner are on a direct approach...there weapons are pointing at you.
Catapult and Atlas are both equiped with GaussRifles.

Jenner is circling arround your...or running over the field...you try to kill him no matter the costs.

If you mind:
The armor values of the BattleMechs are just doubled values of TT - without taking into consideration that you don't have a 14% or 28% chance to hit for example the side torso...from the front, or a 16% to hit the side torso from the flank.
While the side torso of the catapult are more harder to hit from the front, but they are more easy to hit from the side.
Or the stalker - or stalker aggain it is more easy to hit their side sections.

Edited by Karl Streiger, 26 March 2013 - 03:06 AM.

[Seox]

Karl Streiger, on 26 March 2013 - 03:01 AM, said:

You are right at all. Look I just wanted to got some figures. 17 members are not 100 - maybe because of the lacking specifications.
But it is highly subjective - and direction of the target, range etc. they are all important. And it is clear that i can't hit the right torso of the atlas when shooting from his left side.

So if you mind...all targets but the Jenner are on a direct approach...there weapons are pointing at you.
Catapult and Atlas are both equiped with GaussRifles.

Jenner is circling arround your...or running over the field...you try to kill him no matter the costs.

If you mind:
The armor values of the BattleMechs are just doubled values of TT - without taking into consideration that you don't have a 14% or 28% chance to hit for example the side torso...from the front, or a 16% to hit the side torso from the flank.
While the side torso of the catapult are more harder to hit from the front, but they are more easy to hit from the side.
Or the stalker - or stalker aggain it is more easy to hit their side sections.

That's better