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[p0llen]

Dear fellow citizens of the Inner Sphere,
Dear clanners,

I think we all cheered up big time when we saw what fast progress MW:O does at the moment, with the devs already being able to announce Closed Beta and Operation Inception.

I really want to make clear that i love the MW:O Project and that i will support it to the very end.
This thread shall not be for hurt europeans to flame about Inception, but to discuss issues that come along with Inception in the no-support regions.

I open up this topic because i didnt really find a specific topic on "Inception for not US Gamers" (besides the yelling for sharpened pitchforks and death-bringing UAC's in the main Inception topic )

If the devs / community moderators / admins / other raging persons decide that my posting is completly useless and just draws a clear outline on why eu gamers should be banned from MW:O, please feel free to close / delete my topic and send me to exile in a clanner community (it they accept me).

So i thought of 2 basic issues that we could discuss here. Since the discussion already developed nicely and we gathered lots of information on the Inception topic, i will sum up all our infos in this first post. So, if you read this post for the first time, you should be able to collect all relevant info while reading this. I will continue to keep this post updated! thank you all for helping!

1.) time running short to announce a non us inception solution, with inception already rolling out in basically two weeks
-> collect all intel on non us inception projects (account migration, server structure, dates, payment options, prices. etc. (this goes out to the devs aswell, if i may put it that way)

ad 1.) Various sources state that we will likely going to have info around or shortly after e3!

A.)
The announcement of Operation Inception (and Operation Clarification) had players from all over the world clamouring for details, and those will be coming, we promise. Stay tuned! (taken from MW:O Inside Source Info Email)

B.)

Bryan Ekman, on 22 May 2012 - 09:52 AM, said:

EURO PLAYERS! Please hold tight for some clarification on the press release. It's all good news!

(taken from MW:O Forum, Operation Inception Topic)

C.) no final word on migration yet, my guess is they solve it all with e3 press statement!

Bryan Ekman, on 28 May 2012 - 03:23 PM, said:

We do not have a final answer on migration. Our goal would be to support it.

(taken from: MW:O Forum, European players would like their answers please! Topic

D.) Dear User "Faenwulf" already went some steps ahead and developed a pretty cool FAQ for Inception! You should check it out to get maybe some missing info!
http://mwomercs.com/...ch-a-short-faq/

2.) possibility and expected fun to play US inception while not being US citizen (need to play MW:O versus ping problems, buying US inception versus waiting for "personal" inception, self made ideas and work arounds to play US inception in a proper way, etc.)

A.) No IP Blockers for the NA Inception! (taken from: Faenwulf' Closed beta founders pack and game launch a short faq Topic)

B.) Some Users shared their experience with playing on oversee servers (ie in Tribes: Ascend or WoT). General opinion: possible, but a bit unhappy! (if u personally ask me, i would give it a try!)



So, i hope i summarized all the relevant facts and we still will have a positive discussion on what inception means for non us gamers with my prior input here.

If i forgot something, feel free to post guys!

before i open up the discussion, i would like to straighten out one fact:
its 2 weeks to inception, 6 weeks to early access and there is still no information on no us inception programs. i think we really need to make up our minds on that situation and work on a solution if we want to carry our mechs to battle in july!

best regards and happy posting!

Edited by p0llen, 04 June 2012 - 02:29 AM.

[Adrienne Vorton]

to be announced, prolly after e3 in 2 days or so...

[Faenwulf]

Yeah, in their current newsletter they stated:

Quote

The announcement of Operation Inception (and Operation Clarification) had players from all over the world clamouring for details, and those will be coming, we promise. Stay tuned!

To be read up here:
http://static.mwomer...tm_medium=email

And i really hope to get some information soon and hopefully good information. All i need to know is that if we Non-Na bases players buy the Packs that we can migrate our whole account including the Founders Pack to Regional Servers later on.
But if PGI tells us that there will be no migration and no info on when regional servers start....well, then all Hells will be loose.

But to not get up on the rage train again (which I have baorded oh so often the last couple of days): I really hope they will not alienate about half their fan base like this. For a small company like PGI without a major succes or franchise to work with, all that money that will be puring in from us Non-NA players just cannot be ignored. heck, they shouldn't even ignrue us as a fanbase, because if this game flops for this reason they can propably switch off the lights and go home.


Well, one last statement:
PGI! Accomodate us please! Yes, we know there are many problems that you have to deal with right now, but we really only want to say one thing:

Edited by Faenwulf, 02 June 2012 - 04:18 AM.

[FredPerryHUN]

Really hope too that it will be available for us Non-US based player as well...

[Alexander Caine]

Yep, don't go the way of so many developers and treat non-US as second class customers, pretty please!
I will happily give you basically all my money if the EU/other non-US zones get fair treatment, but we need to know!

[Thorn Hallis]

Do you people really think that PGI runs a welfare model and therefor does not want the money of its players?

[p0llen]

Thank for the replies guys!

so we will have details on inception for non NA gamers after e3 / within the next week, lets take that as a fact, ill edit my first post then.

would you guys buy / play NA inception if it turns out that, for example, euro region follows up 4 weeks later?

what do you guys expect for latency? any experience with other games that only run in NA?

[Faenwulf]

Well, lets say, they would run Operation: Inception II fpr the other regions about a month later (19th July), I would wait for that. Why should I buy The NA-One just because of two days difference?

But if it would take much longer it would again be a bad business move for PGi because it would mean the NA players can start playing on the 17th of July while the rest of us waits. This would really be a kick in the groin and would again mean flaming torches and pitchforks.

THe best move would be to open up the current Operation: Inception for everyone and let us Non-NA based players migrate with all our assets later on.

The latency problem has been talked about quite much here and I still say it won't be that big of a deal.But you just gave me an Idea: I will try my latency with a NA-Based Server with Tribes now. Lets see what will happen.

[p0llen]

Thorn Hallis, on 02 June 2012 - 04:49 AM, said:

Do you people really think that PGI runs a welfare model and therefor does not want the money of its players?

no, i really think they are just facing major problems setting up structures in a world wide pattern with all the problems included. i just want to gather info and experience.

[Faenwulf]

Okay, after trying for a short while:

I tried an East Coast and a West Coast Server.

East Coast was pretty full with the maximum amount of players (32). I had a latency of about 120-140 but all in all the connection was okay ( couldn't see any package losses etc.). For a fast paced game like triebs (where you try to shoot people in mid-air!) such a latency is not really useful, but for the much slower paced Mechwarrior it should work out fine for the first few months.

The West coast server on teh other hand had a latency of around 180-200 with package losses here and there. BUT there were only 6-8 Players online, so it could still get worse with more players.

All in All: If there are only NA-Based Servers for us EUs it will only be okay with East Coast servers, and the Aussies will need some West Coast Servers. But that should be only a small problem.

[Black Mamba]

I think it should be fine for Aussies if we do not end up getting our own servers. I play Diablo 3 now and its fine. I've played SWTOR back before we got servers in Australia and that was also fine (Yes i know its an MMORPG). Finally I've played WoT and majority of the time i had no complaints with the latency.

[Reno Blade]

There could be two different aproaches to Beta -> launch status.
1) You keep everything you got from the beta into the final release (XP, Mechs, CBills...)
2) Everything is reset

If you think about 1) then everything said before is an issue (like the mentioned transfer to EU servers etc.)
But if we think about 2) it doesnt matter for the beta, if we play on NA server and need to start again on EU servers, because everyone is starting over on release.
That would require the 2Month bonus of the Founders Packs to start only(or again) on release.

I hope for 2) because then we can freely try out everything (beta!) without back thoughts about what we want for the future (mech choices, spending cbills...).
This would increase the areas and items tested by beta testers.

[Faenwulf]

THe Founders pack assets will be avaiable on the 17th of July ( Look at the News Post!) and PGi has already stated that there will be no more Wipes after the 17th of July.

So, everything we say here we say it because it is an issue that needs to be addressed.

[Orion Pirate]

I imagine that release a game worldwide, that includes a payment method requires significant effort and cash investment.

1. You have International law.
2. You have International taxes.
3. You have to have tech support for those other countries.
4. I am sure I have missed something.

Anyways, none of these are excuses, they are probable reasons why it is not being done at the same time at the NA servers. It is going to take a little longer to get rolling out.

[Jigit]

As a non US player who really wants to spend money on this game I sure hope PGI will address this topic as soon as possible and definitly before Founder Packs go on sale.

[hornet331]

they already said that there is no rest past the 17th of july...

[Sundagger]

The only official quote on the international issue can be found in this thread:
http://mwomercs.com/...-answer-please/#

Bryan Ekman states "We do not have a final answer on migration. Our goal would be to support it"

So we can so far assume that (if all goes to plan) non-North American players can get into the closed beta by buying into it with the Founder program (Operation: Inception) for North America and subsequently migrate their accounts and bonuses to other servers at a later date.

This is the logical path, since it....
i) does not upset the rest of the world, since everyone can potentially take part in the initial phases of closed beta
ii) does not require additional 'Operation:inception'/Founder programs on other servers at a later date to keep everyone on a par
iii) gives the potential to off-load non-regional accounts to more local servers, improving performance for the client and reducing server workload without legal issues:

The mech for example, in the Elite pack, is a purchased digital asset; If this asset was not formally restricted to the beta or region (in the purchase agreement) and the holding account was 're-created' on a different server by the hosting company rather than wholly transferred, resulting in the loss of said asset, then compensation claims could ensue.

Edited by Sundagger, 02 June 2012 - 12:12 PM.

[Ori Klein]

Jigit, on 02 June 2012 - 06:13 AM, said:

As a non US player who really wants to spend money on this game I sure hope PGI will address this topic as soon as possible and definitly before Founder Packs go on sale.

Precisely this.

It was quite demoralizing to check my email, find the Inception announcement, the Founder package and then read that it's available to North-Am. only, essentially leaving me, and the rest of us, to gloom down in the mire.

Am I going to have to dust-off my Logitech Wingman, power-up my Kodiak, bring a сивко as starmate in Stone Rhino and call for a Trial of Grievance, Piranha Gamers, do I really?

Edited by Ori Klein, 02 June 2012 - 02:49 PM.

[Suicidal Idiot]

Guys, it's pretty much no risk.

If you buy an elite founders pack for $60, you get $80 worth of in-game cash. Right there, you're ahead.

After that, the founder's mech and c-bill boost are just gravy. That doesn't even count the beta. I'd play beta, even with horrible lag. Beats the heck out of reality TV.

[Critical Rocket]

I would assume that PGI will be implementing servers to cover most of the fanbase. I hate to bring up WOT here but they had a US/EU server up from launch, so I can't see MWO not having servers in place for customers outside of North America, not unless they want the boards flooded with angry fans over high latency and the like ruining their game.