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[Dragoon20005]

Basic guide to building desktops based on budget


I am creating this tread so as to guide into what PC parts to get to build a PC
that is suitable to run MWO with med to high settings

below are some of the setups which i have chosen which are according to the pricing of the setups

Standard part are as follows but subjected to change

LG24x SATA DVD Writer
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Logitech G9x laser Mouse
Logitech G110 Gaming keyboard
Dell U2312HM UltraSharp 23" monitor


Now the desktops:



Intel Core i3-3220 3.3GHz 3MB
Asrock H77-Pro4/MVP
Kingston DDR-3 1600MHz 8GB single
Seagate 1TB SATA3 7200rpm
PowerColor ATi Radeon HD7750 1GB GDDR5
CoolerMaster Elite 431 USB 3.0
CoolerMaster ExtremePower2 525W Bronze



This setup is estimated around $549.93 USD and the spec of the PC are based on the recommended system requirement


Intel Core i5-3570K 3.4GHz 6MB
Asus P8Z77 V-Pro
Corsair Vengence 1600MHz DDR-3 16GB (2x8GB)
Western Digital 1TB Black 7200rpm SATA3
Asus GTX660 DirectCU 2GB GDDR5
CoolerMaster Storm Enforcer USB 3.0
Seasonic 620W M12



Setup is around $1043USD


AMD FM2 A10-5800K 3.5GHz
Asus F2A85-V-Pro
Corsair Dominator Platinum 16GB (2x8GB) DDR-3 1866MHz C10
Western Digital 1TB Black 7200rpm SATA3
SanDisk Extreme 120GB SSD
PowerColor ATI Radeon HD7950 PCS+ 3GB GDDR5
Seasonic 850W X-850 Gold 80+
CoolerMaster HAF 922 Advance
CoolerMaster Seidon 120XL Liquidcooling



Setup is around $1287USD


AMD FX8350 4GHz 8MB
Asus SaberTooth 990FX
G.Skill RipJawX 1866MHz CL9 16GB (2x8GB)
Western Digital 1TB Black 7200rpm SATA3
SanDisk Extreme 120GB SSD
PowerColor ATI Radeon HD7950 PCS+ 3GB GDDR5
Seasonic 850W X-850 Gold 80+
CoolerMaster HAF 942 Advance
CoolerMaster Seidon 120XL Liquidcooling



Setup is around $1467.91USD


Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz 8MB
Asus Maximus V Formula
G.Skill Trident X 2400MHz C10 16GB (2x8GB)
Western Digital Veloci-Raptor 1TB 10k rpm
SanDisk Extreme 120GB SSD
Asus GTX680 DirectCU II 4GB
Seasonic 850W X-850 Gold 80+
CoolerMaster Storm Sniper Full Black
CoolerMaster Seidon 120XL Liquidcooling



Setup is around $2136.9USD and this will allow you to run the game on ultra high setting





Last but not least the i don't care about my budget and shut up and take my money setup

Intel i7 Core 3970X 3.6GHz
Asus Rampage 4 Extreme
Corsair Dominator Platinum 2400MHz 16GB (4x4GB)
Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SATA3 SSD
Western Digital Veloci-Raptor 1TB 10k rpm
Asus GTX Titan 6GB GDDR5 x 2 (2 Way SLi Mode) (updated)
Seasonic X Series 1250W 80+
CoolerMaster Cosmos 2 Full Tower
CoolerMaster Seidon 240M LiquidCooling

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Q6qX

This setup will set you back at least $6620.49USD
including Win 8 Pro, Blu Ray Writer, gaming mice & keyboard and 30" Dell Ultrasharp Series



Do note that all the above setup are subjected to changes and it still boil down to you own budget and brand perferences
The above setup serves as a general guide to new builders to follow.


Thanks for reading.
Regards
Dragoon20005


PS: feel free to input you own setup and give the rough estimate of the price of yout setup

Edited by Dragoon20005, 11 April 2013 - 06:35 PM.

[Bad Karma 308]

uh oh, now you've done it.....I can see war clouds a brewing.....

But I think I might be able to take your "shut up and take my money build " and top it....

Last time I tallied the numbers I've got somewhere around $15K-$20K into it:

Spoiler

CPU: 2x Intel Xeon E-5 2690 LGA 2011 W/HT all 32 cores @3.8
MB: Asus Z9PE-D8 WS
MEMORY: 128GB DDR3 1600
GPU 2x EVGA Signature GTX690 4GB | or 3x EVGA Titans | or 3x NVIDIA 1U Tesla 1070X GPU servers @ 1TB Ram each
SSD: OCZ Z-Drive R4 CM88 3.2TB PCI-E
Monitors: 3x HP ZR30w 30"
Resolution (7680 x 4800 across all 3 monitors) (2560 x 1600 per monitor)
OS: Windows 7 X64 Enterprise
Internet 50/15 Mb/s

However, the particular custom models of the 3x 1U Teslas ran about $90K each.


It'll play a mean game of pong though.......

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 09 April 2013 - 08:57 PM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

I think he means a "shut up and take my money" 'gaming' rig.

Xeon CPU's r not the way when looking for a gaming machine. You will see no increase in performance with a OC'd Xeon chip compared to a OC'd Sandy E CPU, infact Sandy E can OC further on 'usuable' cooling systems (i.e no DICE, or LN2). But yea , deffinatly shoulda had 2x GTX Titans for that setup.

[Viper69]

This document will constantly have to be updated weekly if not monthly. Its a good start but be prepared for people who claim or do know more than yourself chiming in with better ideas.

I breathed new life into my old system by installing a couple SSds and the best card I could get for my PCI E slot. My old beast is around 4yrs old maybe 5. its nearing the end but I think I will get to play star citizen and MWO for a few more years.

Edited by Viper69, 10 April 2013 - 06:46 AM.

[Bad Karma 308]

ArmageddonKnight, on 10 April 2013 - 06:35 AM, said:

I think he means a "shut up and take my money" 'gaming' rig.
Xeon CPU's r not the way when looking for a gaming machine.

Interesting... but: The Sandy Bridge E I7-3960X is in fact a XEON E5-2687. Only the 3960 is minus 2 cores and the extra QPI links and drops down to 15MB of L3 cache But all the same instruction sets and lithography are still there. And while you can overclock Xeons some, there is really no need due to the shear IO throughput that an enterprise class system can generate.

The E-5-2690 is based on the newer architecture that has already trickled down and "would" be Ivy Bridge-E. My firm just received several several dozen trays of the next generation (E5-4000 series Xeons) which is technically the Haswell ("E" in this case) architecture. As soon as I see the MBs arrive those will become my new testing and engineering machine, as well as gaming

I have several I7-3960 systems and the older E5-2687s run rings around them.
A single Titans is inferior to the 690 (in games that support SLI) which are in turn inferior to the Teslas.

I think you should know your facts a bit better before you go talking out of your a**.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 10 April 2013 - 10:32 AM.

[ArmageddonKnight]

Show me a game where a new modern day Xeon shows any significant improvment over say a Sandy E.

i dont mind being proven wrong. But saying that its worth getting a Xeon, even if money is no option, ..for gaming ..,when most games use 4 to 8 threads MAX nowerdays,..is rather silly.

A Xeon will indeed run rings around ur standard desktop CPU in programs that use loads of threads..games though ..atm most games perform better with faster single thread performance.

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 10 April 2013 - 11:24 AM.

[Bad Karma 308]

Ok, off the top of my head.....

Last year: Dream Machine -2012
http://www.maximumpc...re_now?page=0,0

Dream Machine -2010
http://www.maximumpc...e_2010?page=0,0

Make sure to read about the processors and on through to the benchmarks near the end.

Also,
http://www.overclock...2660_e5-2687w/1

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 10 April 2013 - 12:22 PM.

[Narcissistic Martyr]

For the budget build I'd probably go for a phenom ii x4 at about $80, get a micro ATX AM3+ motherboard with 125W support for $50-60, and spend the extra $70-80 and buy a 7850. Basically, you're talking double the GPU power at a cost of 25% CPU power when most games aren't CPU limited and even MWO runs fine on a phenom ii. I'd also consider scrounging a cheap mouse and keyboard, buy a used monitor, and buy a cheap case to get a 7870 or 7870LE instead.

[ArmageddonKnight]

The 1st link (2012).

The game bench mark.

it won yes. but did u happen to see the specs of the 'zero point' it beat. It had a single 690 ..vs the 'dream machines' 2x 690. Higher fps ..ofcourse.... says nothing for the CPU. I think it also mention going against a stock ivybridge cu and a 680 GPU. both times the GPU is outclassed.

Second link.(2010) 3 480's Vs a single 5970
Again ..obviosly the dream machine would win ..again nothing to do with the cpu.

http://www.maximumpc..._benchmarks2012
This is the link to the 'zero' point stats of the current version and the version b4 it.

The last link.

Both unigine and 3d mark the 'deksto[' SB-E wins.

please correct me if im missing somthign here.

Edited by ArmageddonKnight, 10 April 2013 - 02:45 PM.

[Barbaric Soul]

Quote

Intel Core i7-3770K 3.5GHz 8MB
Asus Maximus V Formula
G.Skill Trident X 2400MHz C10 16GB (2x8GB)
Western Digital Veloci-Raptor 1TB 10k rpm
SanDisk Extreme 120GB SSD
Asus GTX680 DirectCU II 4GB
Seasonic 850W X-850 Gold 80+
CoolerMaster Storm Sniper Full Black
CoolerMaster Seidon 120XL Liquidcooling

Setup is around $2499USD and this will allow you to run the game on ultra high setting

You can build my system, which matches that system in every aspect except HD capacity and RAM amount, and include my $1200 2560*1600 monitor for $2700, and get $119 worth of games. Nice try Junior.



FYI- I actually have the MSI Z68A GD80 gen3 motherboard, but it isn't listed on newegg. I listed the current generation GD80 board in it's place.

Edited by Barbaric Soul, 10 April 2013 - 02:50 PM.

[Dragoon20005]

Thx for the input guys

will update the 2 setups

as mentioned

all the setups will be updated maybe every 3-6 months with updated parts and new prices

hopefully we will see the Geforce 700 and HD8xxx by end of this year

[Barbaric Soul]

Dragoon20005, on 10 April 2013 - 05:03 PM, said:

Thx for the input guys

will update the 2 setups

as mentioned

all the setups will be updated maybe every 3-6 months with updated parts and new prices

hopefully we will see the Geforce 700 and HD8xxx by end of this year

The problem with your build prices is that they are according to how the hardware is priced in Singapore. Like I showed in my last post, my system is a $1500 system, and matches the performance of your $2300 build. If you are really going to do this, you need to use a more commonly pricing, like either US or European pricing. Use sites like Newegg.com for American pricing or Ebuyer.com for Euro pricing.

BTW, Vulpesveritas had a very good Builds of the Week thread going that had several builds at various price points and was updated bi-weekly to show sale prices. You are going to have a hard time matching what he had set up. Too bad it was all lost because of some careless PGI/IGP employee doing forum maintainance and not paying attention to what he was doing. And on top of that, the guy wanted Vulpes to go though about 5-6 very lengthy threads to separate all the info so it could be restored. I don't blame Vulpes on bit for not being willing to do that.

[Dragoon20005]

Barbaric Soul, on 11 April 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

The problem with your build prices is that they are according to how the hardware is priced in Singapore. Like I showed in my last post, my system is a $1500 system, and matches the performance of your $2300 build. If you are really going to do this, you need to use a more commonly pricing, like either US or European pricing. Use sites like Newegg.com for American pricing or Ebuyer.com for Euro pricing.

BTW, Vulpesveritas had a very good Builds of the Week thread going that had several builds at various price points and was updated bi-weekly to show sale prices. You are going to have a hard time matching what he had set up. Too bad it was all lost because of some careless PGI/IGP employee doing forum maintainance and not paying attention to what he was doing. And on top of that, the guy wanted Vulpes to go though about 5-6 very lengthy threads to separate all the info so it could be restored. I don't blame Vulpes on bit for not being willing to do that.

ok will look into it

now i followed your advise and use newegg pricing



the price of the setup is somewhere close to my estimate for the i7-3770K with all parts the same


so i guess i will revise my pricing again

so do wait for a while

thanks for the advise

[Bad Karma 308]

ArmageddonKnight, on 10 April 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

please correct me if im missing somthign here.

No, but I'm going back to your first statement "Xeon CPU's r not the way when looking for a gaming machine". And I'm attempting to show you that a XEON can be just as good or better than its consumer level counterpart.

So if I'm putting together a gaming system, and we're still talking in the "Money is no expense" category then a Xeon makes sense, even more so when you are looking at CPU bound games like MWO. MWO with Windows 7 does attempt to feed all 32 cores on my system. Besides if you can throw more cores on-board then you're buying yourself a bit of future proof "insurance" if you will. That and the extra IO a Xeon CPU can generate keeps the system relevant far longer.

The other factor with Xeons is that they often come out with features and instruction sets long before they make it into the consumer CPUs. So if you really wanted to see what Haswell and Broadwell can do, buy the Xoens that are already coming out, or on the near horizon.

Edited by Bad Karma 308, 11 April 2013 - 06:07 PM.

[Barbaric Soul]

Barbaric Soul, on 11 April 2013 - 03:04 AM, said:

BTW, Vulpesveritas had a very good Builds of the Week thread going that had several builds at various price points and was updated bi-weekly to show sale prices. You are going to have a hard time matching what he had set up. Too bad it was all lost because of some careless PGI/IGP employee doing forum maintainance and not paying attention to what he was doing. And on top of that, the guy wanted Vulpes to go though about 5-6 very lengthy threads to separate all the info so it could be restored. I don't blame Vulpes on bit for not being willing to do that.

If you'd be interested in reading Vulpes' guides, he started a thread about it here- http://mwomercs.com/...-vulpes-guides/

[Staplebeater]

Question why the CoolerMaster Seidon 120XL Liquidcooling vs the 240? Just price or is there no real reason to go beyond 120?

[Dragoon20005]

the only difference between the 120XL and 240M is the size of the radiator cooler

but the 120XL is more than enough for normal usage but unless you intend to do some serious OC then you will need the cooling power of the 240M of course more costly

[Staplebeater]

Dragoon20005, on 12 April 2013 - 05:53 AM, said:

the only difference between the 120XL and 240M is the size of the radiator cooler

but the 120XL is more than enough for normal usage but unless you intend to do some serious OC then you will need the cooling power of the 240M of course more costly

k thanks, knew cooler was bigger didn't know if there was any real benefit to the bigger cooler. I only run a moderate overclock myself (4.2 GHz 2500k) with a hyper 212 aircooler

[Dragoon20005]

i do hope this get pinned along with vulpes tread too

since this is also more a less a guide too

and will update it every 3 or 4 months