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[HarmAssassin]

Just came from a match in which my fully armored Atlas DC with 94 pts of exterior CT armor and 68 exterior armor in my right arm.... got hit by a single volley from a dual AC20 Jagermech. One of the AC20'***** my CT, the other hit my RA - and I died.

One volley.

Even if both had hit the same hit location, only a headshot would have killed me. According to my paperdoll - the damage was to my CT and RA. Both indicated that I still had exterior armor remaining. According to the record of weapons to have hit me, the only thing listed as AC20.

So.... how did I die?

[Barnaby Jones]

Ammo Explosion, XL Engine, simultaneous shots from other mechs.

many possible solutions.

[Deathlike]

Did you have ammo in your parts of the body that were hit?

If an ammo explosion is triggered, that would be a likely reason why that happened.

I assume you had AC20 ammo... it would take 2 tons of AC20 ammo to obliterate an Atlas from the RA side or just 1 ton if it is in the CT.

IIRC, ammo explosions traverse through the mech, ignoring the EXTERNAL ARMOR... so your mushy interior will easily gets blown up....

Chances are, you probably don't have CASE to avoid the transfer of damage of the RT to the CT.

Edited by Deathlike, 25 April 2013 - 06:10 PM.

[HarmAssassin]

His was the only mech in the area, and the only one that could have seen me (I had cover from all other directions). I didn't have ammo in any of those locations, and I still had exterior armor in both locations as well.

He only had 4 weapons (2 AC20's, and 2 med lasers), but I was only hit by the AC's (confirmed by the list of last weapons to hit my, it only listed AC20). Damage was to two areas, meaning each of this two AC20's...hit different locations (one hit my arm, the other hit my center torso).

That would have left 64 exterior armor remaining in my CT and 48 remaining exterior in my arm. There's no reason I should have died.

He was the first mech I encountered, and he only fired once.

My weapon loadout was 2 ER Large Lasers and 3 SRM6's with my ammo in my legs (legs weren't damaged).

I was fully armored when he rounded the corner, he fired once, I died.

Edited by HarmAssassin, 25 April 2013 - 06:12 PM.

[Barnaby Jones]

The death report does not put "Damaged by ac20" twice when you are hit by multiple iterations of the same weapon within a small span of time. Not a solution to the issue, but a fact that makes the death screen make a little more sense.

[Deathlike]

I will only say this.. that there is possibly somewhat of a "desync" when you get shot at sometimes (like, what you seem to get hit with does not register on your paper dolll).

A screenshot of the damage notes would be more useful here...

[HarmAssassin]

I understand that, but if you had read my posts you'd see that I was completely undamaged... ran into ONE mech armed with dual AC20's... he fired ONCE.... and I died.

My paperdoll, damage taken end-screen, what I saw in-game... all confirmed that I was only hit ONCE by ONE mech (I had a tall building to my right, a mountain to my left, and a building behind me... he was the only mech to walk around the corner and was the only one to walk over my body after I died.

As for the screenshot... sure... I'll go back in time and get one just as soon as my Tardis arrives. Not that it matters since photoshop can easily alter any screenshot to make it show whatever I want it to.

He fired both AC20's simultaneously, which matches with the hit locations that received damage (one hit my right arm, the other hit my center torso). Both had max armor and could have easily taken those hits several times before going internal.

There is absolutely no way he could have killed me in one volley without hitting my head with both AC20's. My head wasn't damaged, and as I've said... he hit my arm and CT. I had no ammo in any of those locations - not that it matters since he didn't even get through my exterior armor.

This game is getting more and more bugs by the day. You'd think it would be getting less over time. The whole point of a beta is to work out balance and server load issues... not design the game from scratch by trial and error using the PAYING community to do it for you. That should have been done before releasing the game as a beta.

Edited by HarmAssassin, 25 April 2013 - 06:58 PM.

[Deathlike]

A picture tells a better story. When I die, sometimes I'm shocked that I was heatshotted instead of being cored in the CT... and usually the CT is in poor condition at that point. These things are actually rather important. The death screen blow by blow messages are not exactly the most helpful, but they do give an idea on what happened to come to this end result.

[HarmAssassin]

I give up, you people aren't reading...

Head didn't get hit. He fired 2 weapons, I took damage in 2 locations, he fired ONCE (dual Ac20's on group fire).

There was no ammo explosion, he didn't hit my head, he didn't even get through my EXTERIOR armor. There were no other enemy mechs, I had complete cover from 3 directions and he was the only mech to round the corner in front of me. I fired once, he fired once, I died.

Silly me for pointing out an obvious bug... I give up.

Edited by HarmAssassin, 25 April 2013 - 06:57 PM.

[Asmosis]

as far as you know you were undamaged. quite possible another hit didnt register on your end. also the end screen doesnt show damage taken only damage dealt afaik unless they changed that.

[Alpha087]

HarmAssassin, on 25 April 2013 - 06:56 PM, said:

I give up, you people aren't reading...

Head didn't get hit. He fired 2 weapons, I took damage in 2 locations, he fired ONCE (dual Ac20's on group fire).

There was no ammo explosion, he didn't hit my head, he didn't even get through my EXTERIOR armor. There were no other enemy mechs, I had complete cover from 3 directions and he was the only mech to round the corner in front of me. I fired once, he fired once, I died.

Silly me for pointing out an obvious bug... I give up.

Did your mech have an XL engine? I'm going to make that my guess as to why if so...

[HarmAssassin]

I knew I shouldn't have even checked back to this thread...

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[color=#959595]Did your mech have an XL engine? I'm going to make that my guess as to why if so...[/color]

Again, you aren't reading, let me explain. I took 20pts of damage to a hit location that had 94 armor, leaving me with 64 armor remaining (as confirmed by my paperdoll that showed minor damage to my EXTERIOR armor). You can't destroy an XL engine until AFTER you get through all the exterior armor. Once you get through the exterior armor, THEN you have a chance to crit with each interior armor hit.

I wasn't in interior armor, I still had a relatively unhurt mech. I was undamaged before meeting him. There were no other hits, i had complete cover all the way up to that point. This was the only mech I encountered, and he only fired once (group fire).

It was River City, I spawned at Gamma on the left side of the map. I walked along the hillside, then stopped short of kappa with a mountain to my left, and buildings to my right and rear (that were taller than my mech). One enemy Jagermech stepped out from around the corner in front of me. I fired one alpha, he fired his dual AC20's, I died.

Of the 5 real-life friends that I knew that played this game, 2 have uninstalled it, and another is about to. This game is sliding downhill fast, and at this rate it won't have any players left by the time it is "released".

Seriously, I'm not coming back to this thread - don't even bother replying.

Edited by HarmAssassin, 25 April 2013 - 07:34 PM.

[Postumus]

Ok, three questions: what did the screen say you actually died from, were you using an XL engine, and how much damage did it say you actually took? Reread all of your posts and I don't see either of those things. Could go a long way towards explaining how you died.

I say this because after a couple thousand drops, during and since closed beta, I have yet to have a death that was actually inexplicable. This doesn't mean that yours wasn't due to a bug, but I'm curious, and the simplest explanation is that it was not a bug.

If it was a bug, this is the last place you will get any resolution for it. You'd want to send an email to support, but they're probably just going to ask for the same info I just did plus screenshots.

Edited by Postumus, 25 April 2013 - 07:43 PM.

[Bad Andy]

Why on earth would you run only 2 er LLs and 3 srm6 in an atlas?

[Kargarok]

Whoa, mate calm down. People are reading what you posted but you aren't answering their questions. They're trying to help you troubleshoot what went wrong, and you aren't helping by posting the same thing over and over again.

Based on the limited information we do have, I am guessing your paperdoll didn't update correctly and you actually got hit twice in your CT rear. That's the only explanation I can see. 30 armour in your CT rear is pretty low especially given the AC20 and PPC builds out there. Also the hitbox locations are NOT intuitive. Go check this thread out And learn how to twist away from your weak areas (not that it will protect your crotch much)

http://mwomercs.com/...x-localisation/

[Deathlike]

The only possible thing that could've happened... damage transfer isn't working as it should, and the bullets could have simply shot your back armor. It does happen, so it is possible to see the back armor removed and where your death was caused in the paperdoll model.

Still, you haven't provided a pic or useful info that would confirm or deny any of our answers.

[Koniving]

Somewhere nearby, 5 AC/20 Jagermechs are grouped together and snickering wildly.

[Acid Phreak]

i thought i was the jagermech with dual ac20

if this happens on Alpine Peaks and near sniping valley, that was me!

i just hit u 2 times, first shot was a quickshot i hit the arm and the torso because the convergence didn't aimed so fast, and the second shot just hit u in the cockpit.

all heads have max 18 points of armor if i hit this hitbox (meaning cockpit) with my dual ac 20 does that enough dmg to kill u with one shot!

i do often killing pilots by hitting the cockpit. but is hard.

maybe there was a desync btw and u didn't show the real (my) hit.

edit:
just read that was happens on river city map, but i can say that this is possible with the headshot and the desync.


greets
AP

Edited by Acid Phreak, 26 April 2013 - 07:39 PM.

[TheFlyingScotsman]

HarmAssassin, on 25 April 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Just came from a match in which my fully armored Atlas DC with 94 pts of exterior CT armor and 68 exterior armor in my right arm.... got hit by a single volley from a dual AC20 Jagermech. One of the AC20'***** my CT, the other hit my RA - and I died.

One volley.

Even if both had hit the same hit location, only a headshot would have killed me. According to my paperdoll - the damage was to my CT and RA. Both indicated that I still had exterior armor remaining. According to the record of weapons to have hit me, the only thing listed as AC20.

So.... how did I die?

I have had this happen before on several mechs, and I believe it is related to a larger, wider problem that involves quite a few mechs, or possibly just the current coding. Sometimes, damage just doesnt go where it is supposed to, often diverging damage from critical locations to adjacent or even unrelated ones, and sometimes from intact armor to the structures inside. Personally, I'm a little surprised that PGI has yet to address this particular issue. The mechs I have the most trouble with in this regard are the Atlas, HGN, Stalker, HBK, and Raven. I have seen this issues many times on almost every mech, though.

PGI, we love you, but the core code of the game is not functioning right. Some people don't care enough to think about it or observe it closely and don't seem to realize/care, but this needs to be your highest priority fix. What is the point of new content if we cant use it correctly to begin with?

Looking forward to a fix. Thanks in advange, PGI.

[SVK Puskin]

HarmAssassin, on 25 April 2013 - 05:35 PM, said:

Just came from a match in which my fully armored Atlas DC with 94 pts of exterior CT armor and 68 exterior armor in my right arm.... got hit by a single volley from a dual AC20 Jagermech. One of the AC20'***** my CT, the other hit my RA - and I died.

One volley.

Even if both had hit the same hit location, only a headshot would have killed me. According to my paperdoll - the damage was to my CT and RA. Both indicated that I still had exterior armor remaining. According to the record of weapons to have hit me, the only thing listed as AC20.

So.... how did I die?

This is strange, maybe it was cheater.