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[Bishop Steiner]

kiriage, on 19 September 2014 - 04:19 AM, said:

http://vid1279.photo...zpsfc3c0e6b.mp4

Something I'd been messing around with.

Gotta tell, you, I love the stride, it moves with the weight I envision when I think of the KGC. Nothing graceful, just 100 tons of ballistic death, bearing down on you like Gojira.

[kiriage]

thanks Bishop,Im not in love with its start up stride...i think they should be shorter initially..but..ive worked on it a bit since then, should do a re render and see where its at..got bogged down in trying to create a muzzle flash effect with ejecting cartridges and smoke trailing rounds..ended up with something that wasnt too bad. might have a look at rendering that and posting it..have to get back in touch with you as to where all this stuff is at, been a bit of work done on a few areas. Very happy to see a KGC making it into game at last though

[Bishop Steiner]

kiriage, on 19 September 2014 - 01:28 PM, said:

thanks Bishop,Im not in love with its start up stride...i think they should be shorter initially..but..ive worked on it a bit since then, should do a re render and see where its at..got bogged down in trying to create a muzzle flash effect with ejecting cartridges and smoke trailing rounds..ended up with something that wasnt too bad. might have a look at rendering that and posting it..have to get back in touch with you as to where all this stuff is at, been a bit of work done on a few areas. Very happy to see a KGC making it into game at last though

Yeah, look slike Alex beat us to the punch. Well, I say us, when in reality, all the hard work is on your side, lol. Ah well.

[Akula]

I am so glad that they are adding in my favourite Inner Sphere mech to game. Now I just need my medium Crab to go with it.

That said, and while a Dual Ballistic Assault is going to be awesome, I am worried that its massive hit boxes are going to equal very quick deaths. Also that large flat top is going to be a nightmare with LRMs.

Nevertheless I can't wait till December for this beauty.

[SVK Puskin]

Akula, on 19 September 2014 - 04:51 PM, said:

Dual Ballistic Assault is going to be awesome

Maybe some variant/variants will have more ballistic hardpoints but it is possible to make dual (or even more) ballistic IS assault builds already.

[Bishop Steiner]

ENS Puskin, on 20 September 2014 - 05:49 AM, said:

Maybe some variant/variants will have more ballistic hardpoints but it is possible to make dual (or even more) ballistic IS assault builds already.

Yes, but not dual gauss or AC20 heavy ballistics. Since invariably, the ballistics are in the same location.

[SVK Puskin]

Bishop Steiner, on 20 September 2014 - 07:49 AM, said:

Yes, but not dual gauss or AC20 heavy ballistics. Since invariably, the ballistics are in the same location.

Yeah thanks for the reminder.

[Kiiyor]

So, Bishop my good fellow, that do you think? Though it's not nearly as blocky as I expected, I think i'm in love with Alex's take.

I love the way the arms jut forwards, and the legs, IMHO, look absolutely fantastic.

It looks like the arms won't be spectacular at protecting those torsos in a brawl, which is a nice way to differentiate this from the Fatlas. Also, the position of the right arm lends me hope that the final product may have a sensible firing point - hopefully you don't have to fill the dirt with dakka like you do the 'Phract.

I think I need to see something from the front to make a final call though, but thus far the proportioning seems nice.

It's up to the modelling team now to decide on proportioning, but the nice thing about these sort of bent leg models is that the relative height can be adjusted quite easily by making the mech stand/squat more.

Bring on December!

[Strum Wealh]

The paint scheme displayed seems to be that of the merc unit known as "Greenburg's Godzillas".

"The Godzillas favor a dark green paint scheme, sometimes accented with lighter green scales and the classic 'shark teeth' nose art. Though considered by others to be unprofessional, corporate logos and advertising also appear on Godzillas `Mechs and fighters, the quantity and size of which is proportionate to the fame of the warrior."
(source)

Named for an ocean-dweller, and painted to resemble the King of the Kaiju...

[Bishop Steiner]

Kiiyor, on 20 September 2014 - 08:38 PM, said:

So, Bishop my good fellow, that do you think? Though it's not nearly as blocky as I expected, I think i'm in love with Alex's take.

I love the way the arms jut forwards, and the legs, IMHO, look absolutely fantastic.

It looks like the arms won't be spectacular at protecting those torsos in a brawl, which is a nice way to differentiate this from the Fatlas. Also, the position of the right arm lends me hope that the final product may have a sensible firing point - hopefully you don't have to fill the dirt with dakka like you do the 'Phract.

I think I need to see something from the front to make a final call though, but thus far the proportioning seems nice.

It's up to the modelling team now to decide on proportioning, but the nice thing about these sort of bent leg models is that the relative height can be adjusted quite easily by making the mech stand/squat more.

Bring on December!

Honest assesment?

I'm going to take a lot of grief on it, BUT........

There are serious issues with it as presented.

1) The arms do not clear the hips if it has torso rotation. Massive clipping issue which will likely necessitate widening toros/shoulders, moving the arms, and or hips. Or a little of all the above.

2) Hips too far back, going to again, present twist issues, along with "balance".

3) Legs too big. Easy targets, but also will make a likely wide mech, taller than it should be.

4) Ludicrously skinny claws. Look at the cannon barrels. Cannot fit inside the claws, as painted.

Will likely have to see changes like this


Which are also closer to an slightly older version he did

the top middle one.

Mind you, I have an annoying habit of viewing things from a 3d model and engineering perspective, which often interferes with "cool"

OK. Feel free to flame me now.

[Kiiyor]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 September 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Honest assesment?

I'm going to take a lot of grief on it, BUT........

There are serious issues with it as presented.

1) The arms do not clear the hips if it has torso rotation. Massive clipping issue which will likely necessitate widening toros/shoulders, moving the arms, and or hips. Or a little of all the above.

2) Hips too far back, going to again, present twist issues, along with "balance".

3) Legs too big. Easy targets, but also will make a likely wide mech, taller than it should be.

4) Ludicrously skinny claws. Look at the cannon barrels. Cannot fit inside the claws, as painted.

Will likely have to see changes like this


Which are also closer to an slightly older version he did

the top middle one.

Mind you, I have an annoying habit of viewing things from a 3d model and engineering perspective, which often interferes with "cool"

OK. Feel free to flame me now.

LOL, no flaming here. I daresay the modelling team will run into the same issues you described.

Also, the legs don't seem that large to me, maybe it's the angle i'm viewing them at. I think some of these issues are the angle Alex used for the art - if there was ever a mech that needed a more frontal view, this was it.

Maybe some of this was looked at in committee? Alex may even have had some stats to work with, i.e. "It will only rotate 40 degrees" or "we'd like it taller than your earlier concept art".

[aniviron]

Bishop Steiner, on 21 September 2014 - 02:19 PM, said:

Honest assesment?

I'm going to take a lot of grief on it, BUT........

There are serious issues with it as presented.

1) The arms do not clear the hips if it has torso rotation. Massive clipping issue which will likely necessitate widening toros/shoulders, moving the arms, and or hips. Or a little of all the above.

2) Hips too far back, going to again, present twist issues, along with "balance".

3) Legs too big. Easy targets, but also will make a likely wide mech, taller than it should be.

4) Ludicrously skinny claws. Look at the cannon barrels. Cannot fit inside the claws, as painted.

Will likely have to see changes like this

The arm issue is the second thing I thought as soon as I saw the concept. It looks great, but I just don't see the final model looking much like the concept does in a lot of important ways. I guess we'll see, though. If the walking animation is as good as kiriage's, that'll go a long way. :]

[Bishop Steiner]

aniviron, on 21 September 2014 - 03:13 PM, said:

The arm issue is the second thing I thought as soon as I saw the concept. It looks great, but I just don't see the final model looking much like the concept does in a lot of important ways. I guess we'll see, though. If the walking animation is as good as kiriage's, that'll go a long way. :]

we can only hope. Kiriage does it as a hobby...but it's already better than the rigging on half the MWO mechs.... and he is apparently not satisfied with it!

Maybe MWO can take notes?

[Reported for Inappropriate Name]

arms are too far apart from the torso, 0/10 would not invest military funds.

[Agent Cooper]

Strum Wealh, on 21 September 2014 - 01:23 PM, said:

The paint scheme displayed seems to be that of the merc unit known as "Greenburg's Godzillas".

"The Godzillas favor a dark green paint scheme, sometimes accented with lighter green scales and the classic 'shark teeth' nose art. Though considered by others to be unprofessional, corporate logos and advertising also appear on Godzillas `Mechs and fighters, the quantity and size of which is proportionate to the fame of the warrior."
(source)

Named for an ocean-dweller, and painted to resemble the King of the Kaiju...

Alex has a soft spot for the Godzillas. I recently built him a Stalker model and he wanted it
painted in that scheme.
https://www.flickr.c...nd/13940997679/

Edited by Agent Cooper, 22 September 2014 - 07:05 PM.

[Hexenhammer]

Yes but can I run a Commando between its legs?

[FORGE88]

Brilliant.

[SgtMagor]

about 3 more weeks to King Crab, hope Alex turns it into a hulking monster like the Daishi! only bigger. like BS's concept

Edited by SgtMagor, 24 November 2014 - 06:17 PM.