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[Mechteric]

I think very simply the best way to alleviate most concern about the presence of 3pv is to let us target the enemy mech and see it on radar when an enemy mech is within range of our sensors (ECM aside), and their camera drone is deployed while the mech is in cover. If we can see their drone, give the mech to us as a target as if it were in LOS. This would not only allow us to lob LRM's at them, but also much more easily see when they are coming out of cover so we can have the first shot at them.

Problem solved!




Update: Many people still think having a destructible camera drone would be a good thing. I disagree because it would be like taking candy away from a baby.

Edited by CapperDeluxe, 22 August 2013 - 06:54 AM.

[DaZur]

Add to that the ability to target the drone as well...

If the suspension of belief is that it's standard issue equipment, let me shoot the damn thing and disable it for the match.

I guarantee 3PV will only be used as necessary if theres a chance of it getting sniped as you're casually peeking over ridges and other such topology!

[Ngamok]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 August 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

I think very simply the best way to alleviate most concern about the presence of 3pv is to let us target the enemy mech and see it on radar when an enemy mech is within range of our sensors (ECM aside), and their camera drone is deployed while the mech is in cover. If we can see their drone, give the mech to us as a target as if it were in LOS. This would not only allow us to lob LRM's at them, but also much more easily see when they are coming out of cover so we can have the first shot at them.

Problem solved!

Good idea. Make the drone targetable and give up it's owners information. Also, make drone destructable or if I hit your drone, you take damage. Even if you make it transfer damage from drone to CT, it's still damage.

[Onmyoudo]

Remember 3pv is supposed to be for new players, to help them learn the ropes. Giving everyone else (even more) ways to completely dominate them if they dare to use it is counter-intuitive.

[DaZur]

Onmyoudo, on 22 August 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

Remember 3pv is supposed to be for new players, to help them learn the ropes. Giving everyone else (even more) ways to completely dominate them if they dare to use it is counter-intuitive.

LOL! Yeah, and smoke shops sell glass bongs for tobacco use only...

3PV is here to placate the Asian markets penchant for 3PV... let's all in one big concerted breath dismiss the "help new player" premise and accept it for that it really is...

Edited by DaZur, 22 August 2013 - 06:35 AM.

[Mechteric]

DaZur, on 22 August 2013 - 06:19 AM, said:

Add to that the ability to target the drone as well...

If the suspension of belief is that it's standard issue equipment, let me shoot the damn thing and disable it for the match.

Sorry but this just can't see this happen nor agree with it happening, it entirely defeats the purpose as being a noob tool if you're just going to allow us to take their tool away.

[DaZur]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 August 2013 - 06:40 AM, said:

Sorry but this just can't see this happen nor agree with it happening, it entirely defeats the purpose as being a noob tool if you're just going to allow us to take their tool away.

In fairness... your suggestion isn't any less harsh upon the premised "new players". A LoS lock for a normally obscured mech is like placing a great bug "shoot me" sign above them.

[Marmon Rzohr]

Making the drone destructible might be a lot of work, just making the mech pop up on radar might be enough. However this would seriously hurt new players who often stuggle with LRMs anyway.

I still think it's a great idea though

[Mechteric]

DaZur, on 22 August 2013 - 06:46 AM, said:

In fairness... your suggestion isn't any less harsh upon the premised "new players". A LoS lock for a normally obscured mech is like placing a great bug "shoot me" sign above them.

Perhaps the tutorial will have to explain this then, but otherwise I would hope to think the mind of the "new player" could be "I can see them and target them, therefore they can see me and target me" (unless ECM involved).

[Prezimonto]

Onmyoudo, on 22 August 2013 - 06:29 AM, said:

Remember 3pv is supposed to be for new players, to help them learn the ropes. Giving everyone else (even more) ways to completely dominate them if they dare to use it is counter-intuitive.

So implement desructible drones in Community Warfare. Or let people still earning the Cadet bonus get a magic shield that goes away after 25 games... or heck even 50 games.

Make it a consumable module... lots of ways to make it better.

[Ngamok]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 August 2013 - 06:51 AM, said:

Perhaps the tutorial will have to explain this then, but otherwise I would hope to think the mind of the "new player" could be "I can see them and target them, therefore they can see me and target me" (unless ECM involved).

I give every new player I see tips when I see them doing something that gets them into trouble. When I see new people running around with arm lock on mechs that have great moving arms, I tell them how to disable it. When I see people constantly alpha striking, especially with LRMs at less than 180m, I tell them how to set up weapon groups or that LRMs don't do anything under 180m.

If people were trying to be sneaky with 3PV but constantly getting LRM'd on with Capper's idea, I would tell them. Would you guys like the new players to learn the game with good advise, or would you not say a word and continue on business as usual.

[Volkodav]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 August 2013 - 06:14 AM, said:

I think very simply the best way to alleviate most concern about the presence of 3pv is to let us target the enemy mech and see it on radar when an enemy mech is within range of our sensors (ECM aside), and their camera drone is deployed while the mech is in cover. If we can see their drone, give the mech to us as a target as if it were in LOS. This would not only allow us to lob LRM's at them, but also much more easily see when they are coming out of cover so we can have the first shot at them.

Problem solved!




Update: Many people still think having a destructible camera drone would be a good thing. I disagree because it would be like taking candy away from a baby.

Still scout use 3P - impunity. He will not be get for the shots when standing behind the wall . And using teamspeak for example - says all the data for his team.

Edited by Volkodav, 22 August 2013 - 07:27 AM.

[Mechteric]

Volkodav, on 22 August 2013 - 07:14 AM, said:

Still scout use 3P - impunity. He will not be get for the shots when standing behind the wall . And using teamspeak for example - says all the data his team.

A good scout can be in 1st person and not get shot, nor seen. 3rd person hasn't changed that, well other than the blinky lights on the drone that will likely give your position away easier than seeing your possibly camouflaged chassis would.

[Volkodav]

CapperDeluxe, on 22 August 2013 - 07:24 AM, said:

A good scout can be in 1st person and not get shot, nor seen. 3rd person hasn't changed that, well other than the blinky lights on the drone that will likely give your position away easier than seeing your possibly camouflaged chassis would.

Now it looks blatantly. Stood behind the house and saw everything. Previously, you had to be really good scout.

And you do not need a scout. It can make any mech with 3P. ^ )

Edited by Volkodav, 22 August 2013 - 07:35 AM.

[MeiSooHaityu]

I don't think players should have the ability to deny someone else's game setting like that. I don't like the idea of drone targeting for that reason.

I am not a fan of 3rd person, but I can be patient and wait for the 1st person only lobbies to go live.

[Mechteric]

Volkodav, on 22 August 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

Now it looks blatantly. Stood behind the house and saw everything. Previously, you had to be really good scout.

And you do not need a scout. It can make any mech with 3P. ^ )

That's still well within my suggestion of having to be sneaky to avoid radar contact if you're trying to be an effective scout. You're not furthering your argument any.

[Shiro Matsumoto]

Yes, let the Drone count to head slot.

[Toothless]

They have the technology to instantly deploy an invulnerable drone that tracks your every instantaneous movement, but they cant develop A)Cameras that let you see behind your mech B)Radar from the 20th century that doesnt lose locks on giant
moving metal/fusion reactors C) Heavy ballistics that fire over a mile, ad nauseum...

[Mystere]

Check my sig for some ideas.

[1st Lieutenant Nichols]

I kinda now want third person view to have its own game lobbies, but I also say no because its splitting the community up.