39 replies to this topic

[Catamount]

Koniving, on 27 September 2013 - 12:47 PM, said:

I think he meant "Power Supply Unit." For example to run two AMD Radeon 6870s with everything else I had, I had to have a minimum of a 1,000 watt power supply. Of course I expected it to run over 6 hard drives and a bunch of crazy stuff.

Takes a lot less power to run a 480 GTX versus a 760. His card's ram is identical to what I have on twin cards, so I imagine it'll require a good bit of wattage from his power supply.

Dude, check it out. The 480 was so power hungry, it consumed almost as much power in practice as the dual-GPU 5970, in part because this was back when TDP was "more like a suggestion" to Nvidia.

One reviewer (I think it might have been Guru3D) literally called the 480's power consumption "downright frightening". The 480 made Fermi a running joke all the way up to the 460 release:



Kepler, by contrast is amazingly efficient.


OP, if you have a 4GB model, consider getting another for SLI at some point. That's really the only reason to have that much VRAM.

Edited by Catamount, 01 October 2013 - 07:50 AM.

[Koniving]

Yeah, I didn't know. Last one I had was a GTX 220, then I went Radeon because it was cheaper to try twin cards for the first time and I was buying a new computer with the high end stuff. But considering how big my power supply is, I'm thinking mine eats through power too; it's a thousand watts.

[v4skunk]

pegri, on 27 September 2013 - 09:02 AM, said:

Has you see the specifications of video card?? the 760 it's the lowest card in characteristics of gtx series, the 480 have a lot of powerfull. Maybe it's similar in processing power, bandwith, etc.

The game it's not be able to run all specifications of your new video card too.

LOL a GTX760 bows away a GTX 480 and uses less power.....
The OP PSU is not the problem.
EDIT: GTX760 does not even have a large enough memory bus(256bit) to use 4gig of VRAM.

Edited by v4skunk, 08 October 2013 - 06:13 AM.

[Wip3ou7]

v4skunk, on 08 October 2013 - 06:10 AM, said:

LOL a GTX760 bows away a GTX 480 and uses less power.....
The OP PSU is not the problem.
EDIT: GTX760 does not even have a large enough memory bus(256bit) to use 4gig of VRAM.

Just ordered a 2gb version of this card myself... but, the way you typed your sentence is confusing. Are you saying it would need a 256 bit bus to use 4 gigs of ram? Or that 256 bit is not good enough? The bus bandwidth on the card is indeed 256 bit.

[Smokeyjedi]

This morning I broke the cloudgate 3dmark world record for FX8350 and GTX 760(X1).....2gb model 4gb model currently holds DX11 crown, I curently hold #1 in DX10
zotac amp Was clocked (+80mhz over zotac amps bad juby stock OC) and memory was up over 1750mhz(+365mhz MSI afterburner).....aw juicy. 760s are beasts. eats this game now pretty much holding vsync @ 67 except for the most insane of brawls/lrm rain. I have seen as low as 47fps but this is all the settings maxed out fully @ 1650X1050@67hz OC monitor........ 8threads @ 4996mhz seems to sate the Thirst that MWO suffers from.>blood sucking cpu vampire thirst.

Edited by Smokeyjedi, 04 January 2014 - 05:57 AM.

[Bootsock]

I run the EVGA 4GB GTX 760 (04G-P4-2766-KR) in my desktop (i7-3770s / 16GB), which is rock solid for stability and gives a pretty consistent 60FPS (v-sync enabled) on full detail at 1080. The last DX11 test in 2013 also returned similar frame rates, so I doubt the issue is with the GPU card.

Do the clean GPU driver install as someone else suggested, it also might help to check some other things like motherboard BIOS and chip set drivers are up to date.

Edited by Bootsock, 04 January 2014 - 06:16 AM.

[Goose]

Bootsock, on 04 January 2014 - 06:16 AM, said:

Do the clean GPU driver install as someone else suggested …

http://forums.guru3d...ad.php?t=379506 is how that is best done.

Bootsock, on 04 January 2014 - 06:16 AM, said:

it also might help to check some other things like motherboard BIOS and chip set drivers are up to date.

found @ http://forums.guru3d...05&postcount=91 'cause it's astounding to find out how broken the installers is.

[Smitti]

All these people claiming rock solid 60fps, when my i7 3770 @4.4ghz, gtx780 system is frequently dipping to the 40s in a gunfight at 1920x1080. Phooey.

[Goose]

Smittiferous, on 06 January 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

All these people claiming rock solid 60fps, when my i7 3770 @4.4ghz, gtx780 system is frequently dipping to the 40s in a gunfight at 1920x1080. Phooey.

Most guys report the number from when they had the free time to glance at it, during the initial schlep on Tourmaline …

Pix or it didn't happen:

[Smokeyjedi]

Smittiferous, on 06 January 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

All these people claiming rock solid 60fps, when my i7 3770 @4.4ghz, gtx780 system is frequently dipping to the 40s in a gunfight at 1920x1080. Phooey.

As I mentioned earlier, I run 1650X1050@67hz refresh, And I can tune the heck outta most any system, Ill just leave these here.......


The Gpu was tweaked a lil more than that for the #1 run, that was the settings used to make #2 cloudgate DX10 record, Those #1 settings will not be disclosed......Heres a look @ my best run at passmark to date.

Edited by Smokeyjedi, 07 January 2014 - 03:46 AM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Now All the data i had from my 8threads vs 4threads on FX8350 (OC vs non OC) Affinity settings,coreparking settings has been lost(PC took jolt and lost HDD completely.) minus the forum posts on MWO.com that still remain, I have spent the majority of my forum days inside the hardware zone. far too much time.....

[Smitti]

Fellers, don't get me wrong. I wasn't calling falsehoods, merely expressing disappointment that my system seems to be under performing, is all.


And err, that really kinda sucks about your HDD dude. My condolences.

Edited by Smittiferous, 07 January 2014 - 04:06 AM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Smittiferous, on 07 January 2014 - 04:05 AM, said:

Fellers, don't get me wrong. I wasn't calling falsehoods, merely expressing disappointment that my system seems to be under performing, is all.


And err, that really kinda sucks about your HDD dude. My condolences.

What part of FPS needs SSDs? lol . I run a 1TB WD black, a no brainer they are bulletproof.Yeah boot taking 40 seconds rather than 7, makes me change bios setting and OC less, thus prolonging the life of my rig.(id have blatantly murdered the on/off switch by now with SSD reboot speed.

[Sen]

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I run 1650X1050@67hz refresh

This made me giggle, it's like taking a turbine engine, strapping it to a remote control car, lawn mower 83' Honda Civic with the dash panels ripped out and calling it the fastest vehicle in the west.

Of course, it's all a question of preference. Some people have to have maximum FPS at the expense of graphical quality, and some people look for as many FPS @ max graphical quality as they can muster. SOME people are simply happy to farm up enough cash to get PLAYABLE FPS.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter. All that matters is we should ALL be getting much higher performance numbers. I said it in my last profile update "Some days you just have to accept, no matter how much Rig you've got, you can't overcome the limits of the client."


Of course, Jedi, sharing tips and tricks with the kiddies @ home wouldn't hurt...

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All these people claiming rock solid 60fps, when my i7 3770 @4.4ghz, gtx780 system is frequently dipping to the 40s in a gunfight at 1920x1080. Phooey.

If it makes you feel better, my 4770k @ 4.4 and GTX780 ti fluctuate anywhere from 60-70ish [with VERY rare dips under 60] all the way up to 140+ That's with custom fan profiles, upped voltage, and stock clocks (I'm still trying to figure out how you overclock something that dynamically adjusts it's frequencies on the fly. . . anyone with some good resource material feel free to link)

I WILL say, though, that 40 FPS seems kinda low, even for a non-overclocked ivy.

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What part of FPS needs SSDs?

Improved load times. It's like racing stickers on that 83 Honda Civic. It doesn't necessarily ADD to the performance, but it adds to the confidence of the operator! I suppose if it had to quick pull game files it'd be a benefit?

Of course, there's always option 3: Boot SSD + mechanical HDD[s]

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I'd have blatantly murdered the on/off switch by now with SSD reboot speed

ROTFLMAO! Been there!!!

[yes, I am so old I still put the "T" in. sorry young'ns]

Edited by Sen, 07 January 2014 - 05:54 AM.

[Bootsock]

Smittiferous, on 06 January 2014 - 09:04 PM, said:

All these people claiming rock solid 60fps, when my i7 3770 @4.4ghz, gtx780 system is frequently dipping to the 40s in a gunfight at 1920x1080. Phooey.

Maybe you can point out exactly who "All these people" in this thread are, I don't recall seeing or writing one post in this thread saying that they had "rock solid 60fps" on a GTX760. Regardless of what you're reading into other posts, as per the original topic post I'm highlighting that 40 to mid 20s and lower sounds to be significantly under performing for a GTX760 based on my personal experience of actually running one rather than anecdotal evidence from a differing GPU.

Thanks for reminding me why I generally can't be bothered posting on forums though.

Smokeyjedi, on 07 January 2014 - 05:45 AM, said:

What part of FPS needs SSDs? lol . I run a 1TB WD black, a no brainer they are bulletproof.Yeah boot taking 40 seconds rather than 7, makes me change bios setting and OC less, thus prolonging the life of my rig.(id have blatantly murdered the on/off switch by now with SSD reboot speed.

Yes, I have to agree. I have an 512GB SSD in my laptop which is neat but I always have a niggling fear of data loss, so my desktop runs mirrored 1TB WD greens with a 64GB SSD cache for the best of both worlds and next to zero paranoia! Must say I'm very happy with the mechanical plus SSD option as it works really well and is far more cost effective when used with the excellent WD drives.

[Smitti]

Mister Bootsock,

Who rattled your cage? Don't quite understand the aggro... Unless you assumed I called ********* on your claim, in which case please see here. My whole point was "My rig under-performs too!"

This game is terribly optimized.

Bootsock, on 07 January 2014 - 02:06 PM, said:

Maybe you can point out exactly who "All these people" in this thread are, I don't recall seeing or writing one post in this thread saying that they had "rock solid 60fps" on a GTX760.

"All these people" are not confined to this individual thread. There ARE other threads about hardware performance. Where did i say anything specifically about a 760? And um, yes you did refer to your "pretty consistent 60fps". Maybe not my quoted "rock solid", but six of one, half a dozen the other.

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Regardless of what you're reading into other posts, as per the original topic post I'm highlighting that 40 to mid 20s and lower sounds to be significantly under performing for a GTX760 based on my personal experience of actually running one rather than anecdotal evidence from a differing GPU.

I'm not the one reading into anything mate. And yes, yes it does, I agree with you, it is under-performing badly. I had much better results running a older GTX 660 and 3.2 GHZ Ivy Bridge i5, and also on another setup with an i7 950 and Radeon 58xx.

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Thanks for reminding me why I generally can't be bothered posting on forums though.

Glad I reminded you, maybe you'll not make the same mistake again if this is your usual attitude.

Good day sir.

Edited by Smittiferous, 12 January 2014 - 08:57 PM.

[Catamount]

Smittiferous, don't take it personally. The internet is a lot like the road, and too many a poster like that angry driver in the pickup who yells profanity at you from inside the safety of his cabin, because you're "only" doing 8 over the speed limit while in front of him. Pseudoanonimity means people don't have to be socially adept, because at the end of the day, one just gets to be an [insert whatever unflattering term PGI hasn't yet censored here] and then drive off at their leisure. It's frankly a miracle of human courtesy and competence that any etiquette exists at all on the 'net


On topic: Your performance numbers are definitely a little under what would seem to be the rough mean for a CPU like yours, but not enormously, and MWO has long displayed a huge range of performance on any given hardware setup since CB. I think it was poor Sen who had a laptop for a long time that got half the performance of my laptop that was half as fast. Clearly there's something in the software environment, whether OS, drivers, other software trying to use the same CPU threads, or the game install itself, that can cause performance to just absolutely tank, very easily, but I'll be damned if I know what it is.

You COULD try just wiping off and reinstalling the game, but I have my doubts that it'd accomplish anything. Just know yours is a common problem, and I think we've been scratching our heads over it for as long as there's been an MWO.

Edited by Catamount, 13 January 2014 - 04:05 AM.

[Smokeyjedi]

Yeah it comes down to our ability to brute force things here in MWO, OC and few cfg files, can inch u along for more fps, but nothing short of melting your cores down with a heavy OC will sate this beast..........

[Catamount]

Truth

The only reason I don't try to squeeze out more than 4.2 on my 3570k is because no other game I play comes close to requiring it, not that I won't be compelled to try for the hell of it someday when I have time. At least MWO is perfectly playable if the worst it gets to are dips in the 40s.

[Smokeyjedi]

Indeed. I am just curious to find the thermal nuclear threshold for AMDs vishera......and attempting to thrash my cores with locking Vsync @ 67hz/FPS in MWO to match my refresh untill i get my new Gsync enabled monitor........Bday in Feb, maybe they will be available from more than the small handful of vendors who are sold out of them.....or exclusively selling them in packages.