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[Pjwned]

Not sure if it's been suggested before but it'd be nice if we could get an option to use half a ton of ammo for most weapons, with the exception of AC20 I guess. It would still take up 1 critical slot, but perhaps an ammo explosion could be slightly mitigated if a 0.5 ton ammo pack exploded, although personally I think the lower weight is advantage enough.

The point of course being that you might need more than 1 ton of ammo but less than 2, which could free up some tonnage for more armor or a jump jet or something.

[FinsT]

I like the idea. But then, why stop at 0.5 tons? I mean, i'd really like to be able to put ammo in smallest possible increments, much like armor.

And i think there is a very easy way to implement this without addin any UI elements, too. Namely, whenever there is less than 1 ton of free tonnage remaining on a mech, adding more ammo should result in occupying the slot (to which the ammo is added) completely, but the ammount of ammo added should correspond to remaining free tonnage. So, like, let's say i have some 0.8 tons remaining, and then i add a single machinegun, so 0.3 tons remains. As it is now, MG won't work - can't add ammo, which weighs 1 ton; but if it'd just fill these 0.3 remaining tons with MG ammo, which would be 600 shots, - then it'd be perfectly alright.

Obviously, "partially filled" ammo units would simply need to be displayed in some distinct way while in the mechlab, though. Perhaps some color change?

And, obviously, it would easily be possible to add "less than a ton" ammo for more than 1 type of weapon systems, too, - it'd simply take a bit of micromanagement like this: put the mech into desired less-than-a-ton-left state by adding something heavy temporarily, then put less-than-a-ton-of-ammo for a weapon system 1, then remove that "something heavy" and load what the mech will be actually running, and when it gets to less-than-a-ton-remaining, put that less-than-a-ton ammo for weapon system 2.

[Pjwned]

Sounds like a nicer idea but I just figured a simple alternative would be best since managing resources in less than 0.5 ton increments doesn't seem incredibly important and is usually just a matter of adjusting a few points of armor.

[tucsonspeed6]

I don't know... I'd definitely be down for a half ton of mg or ams ammo in some lights or mediums since I rarely run out in even the longest matches and a free half ton can go a long way in smaller mechs. But would a half ton of ammo still take up a whole crit spot?

[Pjwned]

tucsonspeed6, on 23 October 2013 - 08:03 AM, said:

I don't know... I'd definitely be down for a half ton of mg or ams ammo in some lights or mediums since I rarely run out in even the longest matches and a free half ton can go a long way in smaller mechs. But would a half ton of ammo still take up a whole crit spot?

I can't think of a more elegant solution really, so if that's really a concern then mitigated ammo explosions seems like the best way to handle it.

[Wildstreak]

Yep, necroing this.

Recently I noticed we now have 2 types of Missile ammo, Standard and Artemis. Clearly we can have half ton lots of MG ammo that is accurate. I could care less about AMS and do not see a point to half ton lots for other ammo but half ton MG ammo is needed, some Mech builds used it yet cannot be represented in game due to half ton ammo missing.

Please put in half ton MG ammo if nothing else.

[Cart]

I'd support that suggestion...not only for MGs...sometimes in lights, you have to fight for every half ton...especially the Locust...it would definitily be helpful, if I could f.e. add just a half ton of SRM-Ammo...
But there should be a limitation, that you can only put one "half-ton" ammo-bin per Mech-part. Otherwise you could (if you have the crit-Slots) pack all ammo in half-ton ammo-bins and would have a reduced damage, if your ammo gets hit.

Edited by Cart, 07 May 2014 - 10:31 PM.

[Pjwned]

Cart, on 07 May 2014 - 10:26 PM, said:

I'd support that suggestion...not only for MGs...sometimes in lights, you have to fight for every half ton...especially the Locust...it would definitily be helpful, if I could f.e. add just a half ton of SRM-Ammo...
But there should be a limitation, that you can only put one "half-ton" ammo-bin per Mech-part. Otherwise you could (if you have the crit-Slots) pack all ammo in half-ton ammo-bins and would have a reduced damage, if your ammo gets hit.

That's largely a potential problem because item health in crit slots is really unbalanced, you shouldn't have ammo packs that are as durable as a 12 ton autocannon, that is stupid beyond belief.

[Cart]

Is it? Take a handgun and shoot at a tank-grenade...you think it will explode?

[Pjwned]

Cart, on 08 May 2014 - 07:41 AM, said:

Is it? Take a handgun and shoot at a tank-grenade...you think it will explode?

That's a horrible analogy.

Also,

Merchant, on 07 May 2014 - 06:50 PM, said:

I could care less about AMS and do not see a point to half ton lots for other ammo but half ton MG ammo is needed, some Mech builds used it yet cannot be represented in game due to half ton ammo missing.

Please put in half ton MG ammo if nothing else.

Having a half ton of SRM or AC ammo could really make a difference in some builds, I want to stress that if half-ton packs are introduced it should be an option for every type of ammo, except for AC20 shells maybe.

Edited by Pjwned, 08 May 2014 - 09:51 PM.

[Geeks On Hugs]

Pjwned, on 23 October 2013 - 01:09 AM, said:

Not sure if it's been suggested before but it'd be nice if we could get an option to use half a ton of ammo for most weapons, with the exception of AC20 I guess. It would still take up 1 critical slot, but perhaps an ammo explosion could be slightly mitigated if a 0.5 ton ammo pack exploded, although personally I think the lower weight is advantage enough.

The point of course being that you might need more than 1 ton of ammo but less than 2, which could free up some tonnage for more armor or a jump jet or something.

I like to be careful about changing original BattleTech rules but this idea wouldn't be the end of the world. Perhaps only for Machine Gun and AMS ammo perhaps. I can't stand leaving the 'Mech lab with unused weight and almost never do although once in a while I'll accept a 0.1 ton loss.

[Cart]

Pjwned, on 08 May 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

That's a horrible analogy.

What I meant is, that a single machine-gun or LBX-Bullet shouldn't be able to let an ammo-bin explode. Both of them are dangerous enough right now, because of their crit-chance. If you would now lower the health of ammo-bins, they both could easly start impresseive chain-reactions with just some bullets...

Edited by Cart, 08 May 2014 - 11:28 PM.

[Wildstreak]

Pjwned, on 08 May 2014 - 09:45 PM, said:

That's a horrible analogy.

Also,



Having a half ton of SRM or AC ammo could really make a difference in some builds, I want to stress that if half-ton packs are introduced it should be an option for every type of ammo, except for AC20 shells maybe.

Well, half ton MG is canon and used in some Stock Builds. I could see half ton MG easy, 1000 shots per ton.
AMS, I am not concerned if it gets half ton.
Anything else, not too keen on especially AC given how popular it is.

[Pjwned]

Cart, on 08 May 2014 - 11:28 PM, said:

What I meant is, that a single machine-gun or LBX-Bullet shouldn't be able to let an ammo-bin explode.

I'm not saying that ammo should instantly explode just from getting scraped a bit but when those ammo packs are just as durable as all but the most massive of weapon systems that's really dumb, I don't remember the last time I've had an ammo explosion because of this.

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Both of them are dangerous enough right now, because of their crit-chance.

They're really not that dangerous actually and it's largely because item health in crit slots is stupid. I would even call for a rework on how critical hits work but I also know that's asking way too much.

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If you would now lower the health of ammo-bins, they both could easly start impresseive chain-reactions with just some bullets...

Good, that's kind of what they're designed for, so if you stuff a bunch of ammo packs in 1 spot and it gets exposed you should be actually worrying about the consequences instead of not caring due to crit stuffing or just having the component destroyed anyways.

Either way though the thread is about half-ton ammo packs.

Merchant, on 09 May 2014 - 07:43 PM, said:

Well, half ton MG is canon and used in some Stock Builds. I could see half ton MG easy, 1000 shots per ton.
AMS, I am not concerned if it gets half ton.
Anything else, not too keen on especially AC given how popular it is.

I understand that half ton MG ammo is canon but I don't see why it needs to be limited to just that; if ACs were to not get half-ton ammo packs then at the very least SRMs and LRMs should get it as well as MGs. Hell, I'd like half a ton of NARC ammo too because 12 shots usually isn't enough but 24 is often too many.

[Geeks On Hugs]

We'll if we're gonna extend canon I think it should be only in the arena of light Mechs.

So:
MG
AMS
AC2
NARC
Streak