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[Hans Von Lohman]

There is a command chair forum post about PGI putting in small laser and MG turrets around bases.

http://mwomercs.com/...0089-breakdown/

This should help the game as I pretty much expect every other game of assault will have somebody go cap our base just as the two forces meet and start trading fire.

Now, it will not stop base capping, but it will slow it down.

[FupDup]

Jenners and stuff will totally smash any turrets, but at least your base will now be Locust-resistant!

[Wintersdark]

Depends on how destroyable such turrets are, I suppose.

I suspect this is to give base defenders a bit of an edge, and in this case to put the systems into place without risking chaos from having broken powerful turrets.

Basically, if they end up broken, it doesn't really matter because it's two small lasers/machine guns. If they were more heavily armed, it could definitely problematic.

Sort of like how Airstrikes and Artillery where implemented: largely useless at first, because useless was less harmful to the game than grossly overpowered.

Certainly don't want to turn games into "Just defend your base because the base defense turrets give you a huge advantage" campfests.

[Deathlike]

I remember hearing about base defenses... a year ago... around the time Conquest was to debut.

I guess soon™ has finally found a definition.

Edited by Deathlike, 19 November 2013 - 11:56 AM.

[Corvus Antaka]

I'm guessing a well placed arty strike can take the turrets out

[stjobe]

So now us light pilots finally have a PvE mode?

[Jerod Drekmor]

Unless those turets will be like in MW4-the big one with lrms or undestructible it dosnt matter. With current state of MWO fighting those turets in medium mech might be somthing fun.....aswell as having one pack of lrm5 on any mech, just to put some dent on turet.

[Wintersdark]

Deathlike, on 19 November 2013 - 11:55 AM, said:

I remember hearing about base defenses... a year ago... around the time Conquest was to debut.

I guess soon™ has finally found a definition.

of roughly a year? Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Heffay]

Hans Von Lohman, on 19 November 2013 - 11:19 AM, said:

There is a command chair forum post about PGI putting in small laser and MG turrets around bases.

http://mwomercs.com/...0089-breakdown/

This should help the game as I pretty much expect every other game of assault will have somebody go cap our base just as the two forces meet and start trading fire.

Now, it will not stop base capping, but it will slow it down.

Less than 20% of matches ended in a base cap. I support the turrets, but base capping isn't a "problem".

[MonkeyCheese]

Horay for anything new and who knows this may one day lead to a real atk/def mode and little tanks to stomp on.

[Sabazial]

Jerod Drekmor, on 19 November 2013 - 12:26 PM, said:

Unless those turets will be like in MW4-the big one with lrms or undestructible it dosnt matter. With current state of MWO fighting those turets in medium mech might be somthing fun.....aswell as having one pack of lrm5 on any mech, just to put some dent on turet.

Caliopes? they would be mega OP lol

[Mech Wrench]

perhaps their stronger role will be to provide target information when no friendly's near by, and to provide "advanced ams" support when you are near by.

[Charons Little Helper]

Belphegore, on 20 November 2013 - 06:23 AM, said:

Caliopes? they would be mega OP lol

In our current game modes - yes. But PGI has already said that an Attack/Defend mode is incoming. Caliopes seem like just the thing. (Though I'd still like mob based tanks/choppers etc as well)

[kazrok]

PGI has been saying a lot of things are coming for a long long time.......

[p8ragon]

kazrok, on 23 November 2013 - 07:22 PM, said:

PGI has been saying a lot of things are coming for a long long time.......

Sounds like the opposite of premature ***********.

[Xendojo]

p8ragon, on 23 November 2013 - 08:40 PM, said:

Sounds like the opposite of premature ***********.

Contentus Interruptus?

[Nick Makiaveli]

Mech Wrench, on 22 November 2013 - 09:00 PM, said:

perhaps their stronger role will be to provide target information when no friendly's near by, and to provide "advanced ams" support when you are near by.

Oooooh....hadn't thought of that. Turret providing a lock on for LRMs.....

Turrets need TAG......

[Zerberus]

Yay!. More breaking game modes by pandering to the mindless assault blob. They`re already getting their TDM sandbox, why continue to wreck the game for everyone else?

This will last until the first blobber wants to cap instead of searching for the last light and gets killed by the defense guns because he was already stripped of armor.

That will in turn cause another glorious whine about how the turrets are the dumbest idea ever, and it`s impossible to end the game by cap now.

And All for the sole purpose of screwing light and medium pilots over because the assault blob couldn`t hit an overlord dropship if it was right in front of them and needs a skill booster to compensate.... As if light pilots weren`t being discriminated against enough already and mediums were the mech of choice.... *facepalm*

I`ll pass final judgement when it`s in the game, but on paper I see this as a complete waste of time and a detriment to teh same diversity that PGI supposedly wants to promote, all for the purpose of consoling players that neither use the tools they have been given in the last 1.5 years nor will even care about the game modes as soon as they get their DM sandbox. Leaving those of us that enjoyed the modes with 2 broken game modes instead of one, with the people that broke it not even there to care about it but off playing their quake wannabe DM mode... and probably still complaining.

Edited by Zerberus, 24 November 2013 - 10:20 AM.

[Nick Makiaveli]

Zerberus, on 24 November 2013 - 10:17 AM, said:

Yay!. More breaking game modes by pandering to the mindless assault blob. They`re already getting their TDM sandbox, why continue to wreck the game for everyone else?

This will last until the first blobber wants to cap instead of searching for the last light and gets killed by the defense guns because he was already stripped of armor.

That will in turn cause another glorious whine about how the turrets are the dumbest idea ever, and it`s impossible to end the game by cap now.

And All for the sole purpose of screwing light and medium pilots over because the assault blob couldn`t hit an overlord dropship if it was right in front of them and needs a skill booster to compensate.... As if light pilots weren`t being discriminated against enough already and mediums were the mech of choice.... *facepalm*

I`ll pass final judgement when it`s in the game, but on paper I see this as a complete waste of time and a detriment to teh same diversity that PGI supposedly wants to promote, all for the purpose of consoling players that won`t even carae about the game modes as soon as they get their DM sandbox, leaving those of us that enjoyed the modes with 2 broken game modes instead of one with the people that broke it not even there to care about it....

Umm...they have a range of what 100-200 meters? How is that game breaking?

[Zerberus]

Nick Makiaveli, on 24 November 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Umm...they have a range of what 100-200 meters? How is that game breaking?

A mech with a 200m range can be either outrun or outgunned. You can not outrun something that you HAVE to stand next to for minutes at a time. Nor can you feasibly avoid damage in the same situation. Therefore, if it cannot be destroyed, lights will have their solo utility even further reduced.

2 small lasers is how many DPS? 2
A cap takes how long? somewhere around a minute
And how much armor does an average light have? Between 1 and 2 hundred on the entire mech
That`s 120 nearly guaranteed damage, per cap.
Depending on spread, that is somewhere between heavily damaged and dead after just one cap.

Simple math says that this is probably not good for diversity. At least not on paper, with the details we currently know...

However, an assult that has most of it`s armor missing after an epic battle and is going for cap so as not to hunt the shutdown spider isn`t necessarily going to be in a better situation....

What would interest me is how we are supposed to test them when we can`t cap bases in the training grounds? Or will they just automatically be hostile?

Edited by Zerberus, 24 November 2013 - 11:07 AM.