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[Almond Brown]

SharpTooth Steiner, on 05 May 2014 - 08:57 PM, said:

This was fun.

Might have been, if not for all the BS that was bandeed about.

[Almond Brown]

SharpTooth Steiner, on 05 May 2014 - 09:03 PM, said:

stuff

This is my final prophecy.

You've been warned.

Now enjoy your %500 dollar gold skin mech you suckers.

Still laughing out loud 3 years laeter.... bye for now

more stuff

The bitterness sounds so familiar. Hmm I wonder who's Alt account this is? The bitterness... it is somehow familiar.

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This is my final prophecy.

We would never get that lucky around here.

[Ultimax]

Roland, on 07 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

My comment is less about some ridiculous suggestion that PGI could be sued for false advertising, and instead just pointing out that selling crap that doesn't exist in even a notional form is kind of shady and a bad business practice.

This is where online gaming is, and will continue to go.

As gamers we either need to come to terms with this, or we need to find a new hobby.


Or ulcer medication.

Edited by Ultimatum X, 07 May 2014 - 08:52 AM.

[Tom Sawyer]

I was really unhappy that i was unable to be a founder. But as time rolls on and I see just how unfinished and unpolished this game REMAINS after years of work maybe I was just lucky.

I ran to get the overlord package and still find myself driving my jag and atlas more than anything.

I could buy the clan pack with ease now thanks to my current situation. But I just can not find myself spending money on this game til there are major improvements and promises kept.

[Almond Brown]

John Archer, on 07 May 2014 - 06:14 AM, said:

Niko,

Do you think you could ask your upper echelon to give us an update on what has been done and what is left to be done with regards to the Clan packages?

I am now very very curious if you folks are going to meet the June 17th deadline.

LOL! And like you would believe anything they told you? LOL! That is precisely why they don't tell you...

The OP is about medallions and suddenly the "Hate Train" rolled up.

RG Notch, on 07 May 2014 - 06:19 AM, said:

Umm this sells for real money, of course it will be on time. It's the things that don't sell for MC that arrive late or half assed and need to be fixed. They have priorities and those are get as much money as possible. Just remember, if it is instantly monetizable it will be on time, if not good luck.

Always an interesting line of thought. Makes one wonder how others here would run their business, if any had one, if not by monetizing the stuff they sold.

Unless, of course, they were all Charities.

Sam Slade, on 07 May 2014 - 07:00 AM, said:

I'm a Founder and I didn't get everything I paid for(Community Warfare, Design Pillers, etc...). stuff

Wtf? You somehow paid for a concept. An idea? Hmmm. They sure saw you coming... LOL!

[Name140704]

Roland, on 06 May 2014 - 02:20 PM, said:

So you're selling stuff, but don't really have any idea exactly what it is that you're selling.

Kind of like the faction medallions I got with my phoenix package?

Would you mind putting a link up to that timeline for furure discussions with those in denial?

[Almond Brown]

Roland, on 07 May 2014 - 07:13 AM, said:

My comment is less about some ridiculous suggestion that PGI could be sued for false advertising, and instead just pointing out that selling crap that doesn't exist in even a notional form is kind of shady and a bad business practice.

It's not illegal.. but it's the reason they don't get any more of my money.

You do realize that of ALL the stuff you have bought to date, that NONE if it is real, right?

So, not sure why your getting so worked up about the latest, not real stuff, that they are selling.

[Name140704]

Zolaz, on 06 May 2014 - 08:33 PM, said:

Hmmm ... cant code a Match Maker in the last two patches? All that testing went down the tubes? Very shocking.

I used to be shocked, now I prefer Jaded.

Almond Brown, on 07 May 2014 - 09:01 AM, said:

You do realize that of ALL the stuff you have bought to date, that NONE if it is real, right?

So, not sure why your getting so worked up about the latest, not real stuff, that they are selling.

You realize you are on a videogame forum?

[verybad]

Dymlos2003, on 05 May 2014 - 07:36 PM, said:

They didn't sell cw...

Also wouldn't be right if there wasn't the daily Zolaz troll thread.

CW sure helped sell content for the game. Don't see how CW has taken them so long. In terms of the game, they've made the UI WORSE than it started with, They've come out with a content that doens't require coders much, but very little in terms of actually making the game what it was described as in closed dev.

Maybe some people like waiting years for what they promised would have been out log ago...I think Something Aweful said it best a while back with this.\

Edited by verybad, 07 May 2014 - 09:09 AM.

[Almond Brown]

Psycho Farmer, on 07 May 2014 - 09:04 AM, said:

stuff

You realize you are on a video game forum?

Yup, apparently arguing legaleze about stuff that is not real. Good times to be had by all. I have spent monies on games in the past, they came in a BOX, imagine that. They were played and then shelved. I am still playing MWO and if I someday shelf it too, then any monies I put into would have seen as well spent.

All this bitterness and hate is simply wasted. As you noted, it is a Gaming Forum after all right. There is only 2 types here, White and Dark and there is no such thing as a White Troll.

Edited by Almond Brown, 07 May 2014 - 09:14 AM.

[RG Notch]

Almond Brown, on 07 May 2014 - 08:58 AM, said:

Always an interesting line of thought. Makes one wonder how others here would run their business, if any had one, if not by monetizing the stuff they sold.

Unless, of course, they were all Charities.

I know this may come as a shock to both you and IGP/PGI people but one can make money without being money grubbing scumbags. For example if CW was around or there was any real interest in improving the new player experience, or various other things that make for good long term player retention instead of focusing on what can instantly be sold.
In short, it's not the monetizing, it's the focus on short term instantly saleable things that I have issue with. If you want your company to be long term profitable, it's possible to do so with out only prioritizing things you can instantly sell for MC.
Look at this game, everything that is instantly cash arrives on time, Hero mechs, packages, private matches, all arrive on time and working. Everything else.......
I get it's not a charity, but that doesn't mean that focusing all resources (look at PGI human resource split, it favors mechs which are instant cash) on short term cash grabbery is the only way to run a business.

[Name140704]

Almond Brown, on 07 May 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

Yup, apparently arguing legaleze about stuff that is not real. Good times to be had by all. I have spent monies on games in the past, they came in a BOX, imagine that. They were played and then shelved. I am still playing MWO and if I someday shelf it too, then any monies I put into would have seen as well spent.

All this bitterness and hate is simply wasted. As you noted, it is a Gaming Forum after all right. There is only 2 types here, White and Dark and there is no such thing as a White Troll.

I loved the old big bozes that had maps, manuals, sometimes a figurine in them.

The bitterness here is not wasted. Some of us are venting. Some are genuinely mad about being deceived. WHy do you feel the need to come and tell us how childish we are on a videogame forum?

[Bagheera]

Deathlike, on 05 May 2014 - 05:04 PM, said:

It is the prevention of "foot in mouth" disease.

More importantly, those loyalty points... almost 7 months and counting amirite?

Lol, this.

If they don't tell you what it is you can't get pissed at then when they change their mind.

[verybad]

I have no problem with them making money, but they told us things that we were expecting to be in the game would be out long ago.

As RG Notch mentioned, we bought content under the understanding that the game would be more than what it is. We heard things about "Dropship matches, CW, planet capturing, and more. We were given the impression that it would be out quickly (indeed, before "Full Release".

This thing is now a FTP nightmare with the only thing coming out on time being items for sale.

[verybad]

Almond Brown, on 07 May 2014 - 09:13 AM, said:

Yup, apparently arguing legaleze about stuff that is not real. Good times to be had by all. I have spent monies on games in the past, they came in a BOX, imagine that. They were played and then shelved. I am still playing MWO and if I someday shelf it too, then any monies I put into would have seen as well spent.

All this bitterness and hate is simply wasted. As you noted, it is a Gaming Forum after all right. There is only 2 types here, White and Dark and there is no such thing as a White Troll.

The money spent is real, and if people are spending real money under the expectation that what they are told is going to happen (ie a service), then do not recieve that service, then yeah, we've got a real reason to be pissed off.

No we didn't buy CW, but it has been used extensively as a marketing tool.

Edited by verybad, 07 May 2014 - 09:27 AM.

[Destructicus]

verybad, on 07 May 2014 - 09:23 AM, said:

I have no problem with them making money, but they told us things that we were expecting to be in the game would be out long ago.

As RG Notch mentioned, we bought content under the understanding that the game would be more than what it is. We heard things about "Dropship matches, CW, planet capturing, and more. We were given the impression that it would be out quickly (indeed, before "Full Release".

This thing is now a FTP nightmare with the only thing coming out on time being items for sale.

QFT
We'll have something that can be sold every patch, but holy ****
what has it been?
Almost six months since a new map, that came out in December if I remember correctly
Sad thing is a simple thing like new maps would probably respark a lot of people's interest in this game

Edited by Destructicus, 07 May 2014 - 09:35 AM.

[Roland]

Psycho Farmer, on 07 May 2014 - 09:00 AM, said:

Would you mind putting a link up to that timeline for furure discussions with those in denial?

Here's a post I made recently when Niko said the devs had a map.

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 17 April 2014 - 06:57 PM, said:

I'm happy to report that those hoping to see a big inner sphere map will be very pleased by what the Devs have been working on. Still too "alpha" to show off, but definitely worth mentioning!

In all honesty Niko, I'm thinking at this point they kind of need to have more than "a big inner sphere map".

We had a big map, back in the first dev blog, in December of 2011.

And then, in Jun of 2012, Russ makes this announcement:

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The one exception is the Community Warfare pillar which is a complex system but extremely important. In not wanting to delay the game, logic dictates it be added post-launch. Once fans are completely familiar with creating their 'Mech and pilot trees, the depth of Community Warfare will be added, with the core of the community experience projected to be in-game within 90 days of open beta.

Then, on Oct. 29th of 2012, the game entered Open Beta. CW within 90 days!

Then in November of 2012, on Kotaku, Bryan disturbingly mentioned that they hadn't actually started production on CW yet, but that it was ready to start, and would start rolling out in Jan/Feb of 2013.

(For those interested, that announcement coincided with Russ claiming that they were hoping to have European region servers in Q1 of 2013)

And then nothing happened. The 90 day deadline of Jan 27th 2013 comes and goes with no word. Note here, this isn't January 27th of THIS year. This is Janurary 2013... January of LAST YEAR.


The game itself was actually released in September 2013.

Players haven't even been able to join factions and earn loyalty points.... We got little medals, when we bought more mechs... but they don't do anything.

Community Warfare a major foundation of the game that they sold us on prior to the founders program that we bought into. Years ago. And we haven't seen ANYTHING yet. No screenshots. No nothing.

Note, the mere fact that things are delayed isn't really the sole issue here.. It's that they have said, numerous times, "Oh man, feature X is right around the corner!" and then we later find out that they weren't even working on that feature at all when they said it. This is why we don't really take them at their word any more. When they say that they're going to do something, we no longer believe them.

Also, props to Chronojam, for putting together an awesome timeline that provides easy access to all of these specific concrete facts throughtout MWO's development.

[Joseph Mallan]

Roland, on 07 May 2014 - 09:57 AM, said:

Here's a post I made recently when Niko said the devs had a map.


In all honesty Niko, I'm thinking at this point they kind of need to have more than "a big inner sphere map".

We had a big map, back in the first dev blog, in December of 2011.

LOL That Map came with the CBT Box set!

[Almond Brown]

Psycho Farmer, on 07 May 2014 - 09:17 AM, said:

I loved the old big bozes that had maps, manuals, sometimes a figurine in them.

The bitterness here is not wasted. Some of us are venting. Some are genuinely mad about being deceived. WHy do you feel the need to come and tell us how childish we are on a videogame forum?

Well I guess, in all fairness, for the same reason you come here to vent and feel sorry for yourself over a video game.

[Almond Brown]

RG Notch, on 07 May 2014 - 09:16 AM, said:

I know this may come as a shock to both you and IGP/PGI people but one can make money without being money grubbing scumbags. For example if CW was around or there was any real interest in improving the new player experience, or various other things that make for good long term player retention instead of focusing on what can instantly be sold.
In short, it's not the monetizing, it's the focus on short term instantly saleable things that I have issue with. If you want your company to be long term profitable, it's possible to do so with out only prioritizing things you can instantly sell for MC.
Look at this game, everything that is instantly cash arrives on time, Hero mechs, packages, private matches, all arrive on time and working. Everything else.......
I get it's not a charity, but that doesn't mean that focusing all resources (look at PGI human resource split, it favors mechs which are instant cash) on short term cash grabbery is the only way to run a business.

So your approach is to make the game and then hope when you do monetize something, so you may have cash flow, it will cover all the time and expenses generated during the non-monetized, non-money grubbing, time spent?

I wonder what your Bank manger would say if you said he was being greedy asking for the Mortgage money each and every month and you have decided to only pay when you feel like it.