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[5th Fedcom Rat]

xe N on, on 19 August 2014 - 10:03 AM, said:

Why I should not switch to a 5 ton heavier Nova with 12+ energy slots?

Because you can't use 6 of those slots due to ghost heat anyway. Also, 10 v 12 coming.

The better question is why take this over most I.S. light mechs.

[bot141]

BarHaid, on 19 August 2014 - 10:05 AM, said:

Wait, wait. Why do the Germans get TWO missile hardpoints?

It's weird, there seems to be some kind of discrepancy on the german forum itself. The description/intro for the mech says 2 missile hardpoints, but the actual hard point description says 1.

"Er verfügt über 3 Energie-Hardpoints, 2 Raketenschächte" => 3 energie hardpoints and 2 rocket shaft (i.e missiles).

"Hardpoints:
Kopf: 1 Energie
Linker Arm: 1 Energie
Linker Torso: 1 Raketen (i.e left torso: 1 rocket)
Rechter Torso: 1 AMS
Rechter Arm: 1 Energie
Wärmetauscher: 15 normale
Sprungdüsen: 4 (5 Max)
ECM fähig?: Nein "

Edited by tong169, 19 August 2014 - 10:22 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 19 August 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

“I remember the day I first met Blue: Dad was piloting her, laughing at me over how awe-struck I was.

I was blinded by the light of our sun as it reflected off the silver trumpet on Blue’s chest. That reflection soon became a source fierce pride as I was told of the herald of St. Ives being known across the Confederation and beyond, and I was told that she would be mine.

At that moment, I made a promise to my father that if I ever got to pilot Blue: I would only ever use her to protect the innocent and to defend St. Ives: And now I must decide if I will keep that promise… If I will keep my pride…”

-Pilot’s Log - Mjr. Michael Jones

==========================================================================

Vindicator St. Ives' Blue VND-1SIB

• Tonnage: 45
  
• Engine: 180 Standard
  
  • Top Speed: 64.8 kph
    
  • Max Engine Rating: 250
• Torso Movement:
  
  • 125 degrees to each side.
    
  • 30 degrees up and down.
• Arm Movement:
  
  • 35 degrees to each side.
    
  • 30 degrees up and down.
• Armor: 288 (Standard)
  
• Internal Structure: Standard
  
• Weapons & Equipment:
  
  • Head: Medium Laser
    
  • Left Arm: Small Laser
    
  • Left Torso: LRM 10
    
  • Right Arm: Large Laser
• Hardpoints:
  
  • Head: 1 Energy
    
  • Left Arm: 1 Energy
    
  • Left Torso: 1 Missile
    
  • Right Torso: 1 AMS
    
  • Right Arm: 1 Energy
• Heat Sinks: 15 Single
  
• Jump Jets: 4 (5 Max)
  
• ECM Capable?: No
  
• Module Slots:
  
  • Mech: 1
    
  • Consumable: 2
    
  • Weapon: 2
• Movement Archetype: Medium
  
• Quirks:
  
  • Heat Generation (Energy): -5%
    
  • Heat Generation (Missile): -5%
• 30% C-Bill Bonus

German Patchnotes...show 2 missiles hardpoints. Please tell me the Germans are right?

[Reitmeier]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 August 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

German Patchnotes...show 2 missiles hardpoints. Please tell me the Germans are right?

Nope
3E, 1M like the standard versions.

Edited by Reitmeier, 19 August 2014 - 10:23 AM.

[Corralis]

xeromynd, on 19 August 2014 - 10:20 AM, said:

My BJ-3 is faster, has more firepower, and has double heatsinks, and JJ's.

It makes me wonder why they bothered including this as an option over the Black Jack. Everything about this mech just looks useless (I know about the capellan thing btw)

[TercieI]

Reno Blade, on 19 August 2014 - 10:15 AM, said:

OK, OK. I got it already, i made a mistake with the numbers somewhere.

Max speed is 90/99. With those hardpoints...I hope it's a P2L hero and the other variants have something to recommend them.

[Thrudvangar]

nvm

Edited by Enzlaved, 19 August 2014 - 10:25 AM.

[Bishop Steiner]

Enzlaved, on 19 August 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

just read it, germans are right. vindicator missile tubes got updated just right before the english patchnotes so there's the discrepancy.. the mech will have 2 missile hardpoints.

er? Hope so. Gridiron demonstrated how useless a single Missile Slot tends to be. After the Arrow, this has jack crap for hardpoints though.

Edited by Bishop Steiner, 19 August 2014 - 10:27 AM.

[xeromynd]

Corralis, on 19 August 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

It makes me wonder why they bothered including this as an option over the Black Jack. Everything about this mech just looks useless (I know about the capellan thing btw)

Granted, this vindi has NO DHS, NO Endo, and a STD engine. Once I can pack an XL, Endo, and DHS into this thing, I think it'll probably be cool. But the stock Hero variant just seems so underwhelming.

[xe N on]

5th Fedcom Rat, on 19 August 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

Because you can't use 6 of those slots due to ghost heat anyway. Also, 10 v 12 coming.

The better question is why take this over most I.S. light mechs.

I can fire 6 laser and wait for 1 secs and fire another load of 6 lasers and don't get any toasty ghosty.

[Corralis]

Enzlaved, on 19 August 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

just read it, germans are right. vindicator missile tubes got updated just right before the english patchnotes so there's the discrepancy.. the mech will have 2 missile hardpoints.

Sarna doesn't have this variant with 2 missile hardpoints. And even if it did, why take it over the Trebuchet?

[BarHaid]

Corralis, on 19 August 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

It makes me wonder why they bothered including this as an option over the Black Jack. Everything about this mech just looks useless (I know about the capellan thing btw)

Spoken like someone who does not use lower arm actuators.

[Bishop Steiner]

Corralis, on 19 August 2014 - 10:23 AM, said:

It makes me wonder why they bothered including this as an option over the Black Jack. Everything about this mech just looks useless (I know about the capellan thing btw)

base BJ before upgrades is pretty bad, too. If this sticks to a single Missile, it is...not good. If the German Notes are right, and it gets 2 Missile hardpoints, that is already something the BJ won't match.

[xe N on]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 August 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

base BJ before upgrades is pretty bad, too. If this sticks to a single Missile, it is...not good. If the German Notes are right, and it gets 2 Missile hardpoints, that is already something the BJ won't match.

Corrected. It gets 2 missile hard points, down broken down from 3 to 2.

Edited by xe N on, 19 August 2014 - 10:34 AM.

[Thrudvangar]

Corralis, on 19 August 2014 - 10:26 AM, said:

Sarna doesn't have this variant with 2 missile hardpoints. And even if it did, why take it over the Trebuchet?

i think i got it worng...


no way to take it over the trebuchet, trebuchet rocks

[ImagineDwagons]

This baby was made for Stock Mechs Monday event.

[Carrie Harder]

xe N on, on 19 August 2014 - 10:28 AM, said:

...However, 2 missile slots apparently were considered as overpowered (lol) and reduced to one.

WHAT?!!?!?1?


That must make the Griffin and Shadow Hawk massively broken with their 6-7 hardpoints, then.

Edited by Carrie Harder, 19 August 2014 - 10:30 AM.

[MauttyKoray]

Nikolai Lubkiewicz, on 19 August 2014 - 09:52 AM, said:

• Weapons & Equipment:
  
  • Head: Medium Laser
    
  • Left Arm: Small Laser
    
  • Left Torso: LRM 10
    
  • Right Arm: Large Laser
• Hardpoints:
  
  • Head: 1 Energy
    
  • Left Arm: 1 Energy
    
  • Left Torso: 1 Missile
    
  • Right Torso: 1 AMS
    
  • Right Arm: 1 Energy
• Heat Sinks: 15 Single
  
• Jump Jets: 4 (5 Max)
  
• ECM Capable?: No
  
• Quirks:
  
  • Heat Generation (Energy): -5%
    
  • Heat Generation (Missile): -5%
• 30% C-Bill Bonus

Personally? I'm not a big fan of the vanilla treatment they gave the Vindicator over all their other mechs. Its pretty much not a very viable choice compared to most other things.

But 1 energy in L/R arm and 1 head, plus 1 missile in left torso? That sounds awful, and then the -5% heat generation for both weapon types. The vindicator was mainly an energy mech and I would have much rather seen the energy heat generation at -7.5% or -10% even in the missile quirk was dropped. Possibly even a second energy slot (since this is the hero after all) in the left arm (non-ppc arm). Also -5% does not seem useful for this energy heavy mech (especially once it has a PPC) and will leave it unused and collecting cobwebs in favor of a blackjack who has the superior engine, hardpoints, high arms, great torso twist, etc.

Edited by MauttyKoray, 19 August 2014 - 10:32 AM.

[Bront]

Bishop Steiner, on 19 August 2014 - 10:21 AM, said:

German Patchnotes...show 2 missiles hardpoints. Please tell me the Germans are right?

We have english patch notes?

[StillRadioactive]

Enzlaved, on 19 August 2014 - 10:29 AM, said:

i think i got it worng...


no way to take it over the trebuchet, trebuchet rocks

This is the sort of thing people said about the Griffin before it was launched. The fact is that the Vindicator will have Griffin-like torso and arm arcs, which will greatly increase its survivability in skilled hands.